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Is this a good idea?

Yes, it is perfect.
3
1%
Yes, but it is flawed.
5
2%
It has it's pros and cons
3
1%
No, but it can be worked on.
9
4%
No, it is terrible.
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Total votes : 210

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Ascysia
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Founded: Mar 25, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Ascysia » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:22 am

United Imperial Systems wrote:
Ascysia wrote:Actually I voted for "Yes, but it is flawed." and no I didn't use any puppets.


If you really, really believe that, then ask the moderators. But I didn't do anything of the sorts. In fact, I've only got 8 nations in total I can think of, and I've only logged into two in the last 48 hours.

Yeah right, no sane person would actually vote "Yes" on that, I do get it you're from Airstrip one, but what makes you think that anyone will take this suggestion seriously?

I think if I was to propose this to many western governments as a solution to ISIS radicalising young people they would be on board.
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Nucego
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Founded: Jul 06, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Nucego » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:35 am

Ascysia wrote:
United Imperial Systems wrote:Yeah right, no sane person would actually vote "Yes" on that, I do get it you're from Airstrip one, but what makes you think that anyone will take this suggestion seriously?

I think if I was to propose this to many western governments as a solution to ISIS radicalising young people they would be on board.

A western government on board with this garbage would not be a government for long.
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United Imperial Systems
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Founded: Dec 10, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby United Imperial Systems » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:46 am

Ascysia wrote:
United Imperial Systems wrote:Yeah right, no sane person would actually vote "Yes" on that, I do get it you're from Airstrip one, but what makes you think that anyone will take this suggestion seriously?

I think if I was to propose this to many western governments as a solution to ISIS radicalising young people they would be on board.

:rofl:

Read that again, slowly.
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Thermodolia
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:52 am

United Imperial Systems wrote:
Ascysia wrote:I think if I was to propose this to many western governments as a solution to ISIS radicalising young people they would be on board.

:rofl:

Read that again, slowly.
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Founded: May 13, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Vistulange » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:59 am

Ascysia wrote:
United Imperial Systems wrote:Yeah right, no sane person would actually vote "Yes" on that, I do get it you're from Airstrip one, but what makes you think that anyone will take this suggestion seriously?

I think if I was to propose this to many western governments as a solution to ISIS radicalising young people they would be on board.

Wow, what an original, new idea that absolutely nobody in the West has ever conceived up!

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Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft
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Founded: Jul 14, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:15 am

Ascysia wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:No for several reasons:
1. Under the UN Declaration of Human Rights, discrimination based on political views is forbidden.
2. You listed fucking Bernie Sanders supporters as extremists. He's not at all "a political extremist" - he's probably on par with Jeremy Corbyn (it's just on average Europeans are more left-wing than Americans)
3. People could just lie about their political views in the test

1. Okay, that can be amended. And discrimination based on political views isn't actually discrimination at all. You choose what your views are. Don't want to be discriminated? Don't be a radical.
2. First of all, I'm from the UK, second of all, Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn are far-left enemies of liberal democracy. Corbyn is a hard socialist terrorist, and Sanders has inspired communists and anarchists all across the United States.
3. Yes they could, which is why I voted for "Yes, but it is flawed."

1. You don't "choose" to have a political view, you automatically have certain political views based on evidence you have seen and based your views on. I can't "choose" to believe that abortion should be illegal, just as I can't "choose" to believe that Australia does not exist.
2. Neither Bernie Sanders nor Jeremy Corbyn oppose liberal democracy. If Sanders has inspired communists and anarchists across the US, the same can be said about Donald Trump and the alt-right. Also, the definition of terrorism is "use of violence and intimidation for political purposes", and Corbyn does not use or endorse violent actions (be honest with me, do you support the crackdown on intellectuals and journalists, or in Erdogan's words, "terrorists", in Turkey?).

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Diopolis
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Founded: May 15, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Diopolis » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:11 am

NSG just wouldn't be the same if I didn't periodically advocate for suppressing rock music by burning at the stake and frequently advocate for restricting suffrage, so no.
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USS Monitor
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Founded: Jul 01, 2015
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby USS Monitor » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:12 am

United Imperial Systems wrote:I want to know who are the sixteen people that actually voted "Yes" on this poll.
I really want to believe that the OP just made sixteen puppets and gave up when he realized it would take too much time to even make the poll even.
I really WANT to believe this.


It's still one of the most lopsided polls that I have ever seen in NSG, and I've been posting regularly since 2010.
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Grenartia
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Posts: 44623
Founded: Feb 14, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Grenartia » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:13 am

Ascysia wrote:Berniecrats


Today, I learned I'm a fucking extremist. :roll:
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Diopolis
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Founded: May 15, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Diopolis » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:13 am

USS Monitor wrote:
United Imperial Systems wrote:I want to know who are the sixteen people that actually voted "Yes" on this poll.
I really want to believe that the OP just made sixteen puppets and gave up when he realized it would take too much time to even make the poll even.
I really WANT to believe this.


It's still one of the most lopsided polls that I have ever seen in NSG, and I've been posting regularly since 2010.

There are probably also some randos that misread it.
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Hammer Britannia
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:14 am

Grenartia wrote:
Ascysia wrote:Berniecrats


Today, I learned I'm a fucking extremist. :roll:

Anyone who isn't a radical centrist is obviously
All shall tremble before me

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Diopolis
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Founded: May 15, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Diopolis » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:14 am

Grenartia wrote:
Ascysia wrote:Berniecrats


Today, I learned I'm a fucking extremist. :roll:

Come, join us!
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Grenartia
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Founded: Feb 14, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Grenartia » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:15 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Today, I learned I'm a fucking extremist. :roll:

Anyone who isn't a radical centrist is obviously


Isn't that the politically correct term for fascist?
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Washington Resistance Army
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Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:15 am

Grenartia wrote:
Ascysia wrote:Berniecrats


Today, I learned I'm a fucking extremist. :roll:


It's okay, we all are nowadays.
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Grenartia
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Founded: Feb 14, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Grenartia » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:16 am

Diopolis wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Today, I learned I'm a fucking extremist. :roll:

Come, join us!

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Today, I learned I'm a fucking extremist. :roll:


It's okay, we all are nowadays.


When everyone is extremist, no one will be.
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Diopolis
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Ex-Nation

Postby Diopolis » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:17 am

Grenartia wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Anyone who isn't a radical centrist is obviously


Isn't that the politically correct term for fascist?

Yes.
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Hammer Britannia
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:18 am

Grenartia wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Anyone who isn't a radical centrist is obviously


Isn't that the politically correct term for fascist?

Nah, Fascism would imply that countries are something to be proud of rather than the by-product of human tribalism.
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Sovaal
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Ex-Nation

Postby Sovaal » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:33 am

Ascysia wrote:
United Imperial Systems wrote:Yeah right, no sane person would actually vote "Yes" on that, I do get it you're from Airstrip one, but what makes you think that anyone will take this suggestion seriously?

I think if I was to propose this to many western governments as a solution to ISIS radicalising young people they would be on board.

Governments everywhere tend to want to increase restrictions on rights. Doesn’t make it any less of a bullshit idea.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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Winston Churchill, 1947.

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Rio Cana
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Postby Rio Cana » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:39 am

The following an article from 2014 on internet license. Its just to verify who you are and thus give you unlimited access or something like that. Supposedly, you would be very secure on the internet.
Article - http://www.govtech.com/security/Drivers ... ernet.html
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Sovaal
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Ex-Nation

Postby Sovaal » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:45 am

Rio Cana wrote:The following an article from 2014 on internet license. Its just to verify who you are and thus give you unlimited access or something like that. Supposedly, you would be very secure on the internet.
Article - http://www.govtech.com/security/Drivers ... ernet.html

Supposedly. I wouldn’t place my money on it however.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Ex-Nation

Postby Caracasus » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:18 am

Grenartia wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Anyone who isn't a radical centrist is obviously


Isn't that the politically correct term for fascist?


Nah... it is entirely coincidental that radical centrists support compromise, but only with the far right. Total coincidence.
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:19 am

United Imperial Systems wrote:
Ascysia wrote:Actually I voted for "Yes, but it is flawed." and no I didn't use any puppets.


If you really, really believe that, then ask the moderators. But I didn't do anything of the sorts. In fact, I've only got 8 nations in total I can think of, and I've only logged into two in the last 48 hours.

Yeah right, no sane person would actually vote "Yes" on that, I do get it you're from Airstrip one, but what makes you think that anyone will take this suggestion seriously?

We don't make sweeping generalizations about people in these here parts, certainly not ones that call people's sanity into question. It's called trolling. Don't do it.

Oh, and there are two typos in the text on your signature's spoiler.
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Founded: Feb 06, 2017
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Serrus » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:26 am

Ascysia wrote:Hello everyone. I have recently became alarmed at the presence of extremists on the internet, so I've been pondering methods to stop them. One method I have thought of would be the introduction of an internet license. How this would work is you would have to pass a test to obtain a license to access the internet, just as the name suggests. I'm not sure what the specifics of the tests would be, however they would root out and bar extremists (ranging from ISIS to Nazis to Communists to Berniecrats) from accessing the internet and radicalising people. To sign up for online services such as social media or forums, you would have to input your license details, and if you were caught promoting extremism, your license would be terminated.

So what do you all think? Does this sound like a good idea?

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Anarchy

Postby Northwest Slobovia » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:40 am

Ascysia wrote:if you were caught promoting extremism, your license would be terminated.

One might point out that tossing a foundational principle of a nation is "extremism". :p
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Ex-Nation

Postby Kwisiqafir » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:50 am

Farnhamia wrote:
United Imperial Systems wrote:Yeah right, no sane person would actually vote "Yes" on that, I do get it you're from Airstrip one, but what makes you think that anyone will take this suggestion seriously?

We don't make sweeping generalizations about people in these here parts, certainly not ones that call people's sanity into question. It's called trolling. Don't do it.

Oh, and there are two typos in the text on your signature's spoiler.


Serious question. Is calling people who support Bernie Sanders or Jeremy Corbyn extremists not trolling, then?

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