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by Hakons » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:15 pm
by True Alimeria » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:15 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Religious beliefs are very important and usually are impossible to shake therefore it’s better to replace it with a belief system that fits with western ideology.
Yet you haven’t. You might not be an adherent to your religion but there are millions who are.
True Alimeria wrote:Trying to make individual humans synonymous with abstract faiths to excuse stigmatization and judging them by their religious identity?!
Making an idiotic assumption that somehow the content of the religion is relevant, but not what every single believer associates with it?
True Alimeria wrote:And no, all of them drink tons of beer but I tell you they were kickass MUJAHEDINS during the war. Islam is still "somehow" our identity and this completely
refutes your hideous concealed implication that
1) Sunnis behave EXACTLY as their belief system tells them to and
2) that we Sunnis MUST identify ourselves with our faith ONLY by the content of our beliefs, because you said so
Yes I do. I definitely have a say in how my nation is run
How am I a liar? I haven’t lied about anything.
Then you can leave the West if you don’t like the western ideology.
I don’t care. If you don’t like the western ideology you shouldn’t live in the west.
How am I a liar? I’m just stating my opinion.
I don’t care if you disagree with me at all.
I shall.
Again this is a public debate forum. I have the ability to lend my views when I want to.
Well that’s just not nice. I haven’t said anything mean about you. You could at least give me the same courtesy.
I still have the right to say what I want on this site so long as it doesn’t break the rules.
They are if one is living in the West
Don’t know what that has to do with anything
I respectfully disagree
That’s all a matter of opinion.
I have the right to share my opinions and the right to express how I think my nation, the USA, should be run.
by Herskerstad » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:16 pm
Shrillland wrote:Herskerstad wrote:In actual news.
A voter error by a district (Västra Götaland ) has revealed that the Swedish Democrats have gained one additional seat, taking one from the alliance and it's a pretty vital seat as the alliance no longer has equilibrium with the left. Which is a fitting middle finger all things considered given the chest beating the alliance was doing just a day ago.
Doesn't really change all that much except it makes the SD's wedge a little bigger. Unless the Alliance can get the KD to support some revised form of the December Agreement, the only avenue left is a shaky grand coalition.
by Hakons » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:21 pm
North Calaveras wrote:Senegalboy wrote:But shouldn't God come first cause he's the one you are going to answer to.
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"(granted I am not a christian)
at least for Christians, this is often used to say " Be christian but follow the laws of the nation"
by Hakons » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:23 pm
by Albrenia » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:25 pm
Hakons wrote:Albrenia wrote:
Doesn't mean you can't follow the law of the land first. Most Christians wouldn't burn a witch these days, in western countries at least.
Witch burning is not doctrine in Christianity, my goodness. If a law violates my faith, I will not obey it, since God's Law is inherently perfect and above civil law.
by Hakons » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:33 pm
Albrenia wrote:Hakons wrote:
Witch burning is not doctrine in Christianity, my goodness. If a law violates my faith, I will not obey it, since God's Law is inherently perfect and above civil law.
Isn't there a verse in Exodus about not suffering witches to live? I could be mistaken, since it's been a while.
by Albrenia » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:36 pm
Hakons wrote:Albrenia wrote:
Isn't there a verse in Exodus about not suffering witches to live? I could be mistaken, since it's been a while.
I'm not aware of it, though I don't memorize verses all that much. With the purifying purpose of the Old Law taken up by the crucifixion of Christ, the New Law that Christians profess does not include many of the levitical laws and ordinances. If there is a verse that says to kill witches, it is not Christian doctrine because we do not follow the Old Law.
by Thermodolia » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:39 pm
Albrenia wrote:Hakons wrote:
I'm not aware of it, though I don't memorize verses all that much. With the purifying purpose of the Old Law taken up by the crucifixion of Christ, the New Law that Christians profess does not include many of the levitical laws and ordinances. If there is a verse that says to kill witches, it is not Christian doctrine because we do not follow the Old Law.
Ah. Would this mean that Jewish people should be burning witches, then?
by Herskerstad » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:41 pm
by Herskerstad » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:43 pm
by Thermodolia » Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:06 pm
True Alimeria wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Religious beliefs are very important and usually are impossible to shake therefore it’s better to replace it with a belief system that fits with western ideology.
You can say that 1000 times that doesn't matter, but you'll deservingly get in trouble when you advocate discrimination of innocent people.
"Already refuted this stuff. So that's just your dumb assumption."Yet you haven’t. You might not be an adherent to your religion but there are millions who are.
Liar.True Alimeria wrote:Trying to make individual humans synonymous with abstract faiths to excuse stigmatization and judging them by their religious identity?!
Making an idiotic assumption that somehow the content of the religion is relevant, but not what every single believer associates with it?True Alimeria wrote:And no, all of them drink tons of beer but I tell you they were kickass MUJAHEDINS during the war. Islam is still "somehow" our identity and this completely
refutes your hideous concealed implication that
1) Sunnis behave EXACTLY as their belief system tells them to and
2) that we Sunnis MUST identify ourselves with our faith ONLY by the content of our beliefs, because you said so
I also explained my thoughts many times again.
Yes I do. I definitely have a say in how my nation is run
If I wanted to I'd also advocate discrimination against homos in your nation,
I don't care, you don't own this country and I also
know that you're no more important than me. I can also be a pile of garbage human being, see, there's no talent behind it
If hijabs offend you, that's your problem. Leave Muslim women alone.
"It’s definitely a problem. It views women as lesser."
*(Btw, The only women I need to respect in this case are my Muslim mothers and sisters which you want to persecute)
"Careful liar, you're fooling no one here. Religion =/= individual"How am I a liar? I haven’t lied about anything.
Won't give you an answer, I'm just showing others that you're a liar.
"To hell with this degenerate ideology, how about that "Then you can leave the West if you don’t like the western ideology.
The point is there's nothing wrong with it ^^
I mean I don't even wanna go anywhere, I like it here.
Actually, I like "Western values" even though I don't believe in one "Western civilization". Germany
is faaar different from the US.
I don’t care. If you don’t like the western ideology you shouldn’t live in the west.
I don't listen to supremacists.
"Besides, I literally wrote that "many Westerners also believe that" so you wouldn't come up with that dumb comment: "abide by the western ideology", you liar."How am I a liar? I’m just stating my opinion.
By Implying there's a supposed homogenous "Western ideology" and pretending that there's no plurality of values in the damn West itself and that all Westerners share the same views.
There are people in the West who have dangerous and destructive anti-Western political views and this includes Nationalist cretins like you
. HUMAN DIGNITY and HUMAN RIGHTS are ALSO
Western values.
And you have the nerve to say only Muslims must them? Just proves that you have a lying attitude.
"Well thank you for admitting you're ill-intentioned and thus we can discredit all your bigoted claims."I don’t care if you disagree with me at all.
No, it means that all your twisted views can be disregarded, simple as that.
"I have every right to not like alcohol as a Muslim, your view WASN'T even asked."Again this is a public debate forum. I have the ability to lend my views when I want to.
You know very well what I meant with that reply.
"Sounds great to me."
"This proves that you're in NO moral position to talk about how eeevil Islam is hurting your homo-feelings"Well that’s just not nice. I haven’t said anything mean about you. You could at least give me the same courtesy.
Nothing mean? Should I say I find Omar Mateen great? Or Sun Diego? I mean this rapper claims that "he has killed more homos than HIV", hilarious, man
Sounds cool to me. (And I'm not being mean at all)
How pathetic from you.
*PS: I have nothing against homosexuals, but I was trying to make a point.
"Who the fuck asked you? You are an evil person yourself. Your preferences don't matter."I still have the right to say what I want on this site so long as it doesn’t break the rules.
For the umpteenth time already, your "rights" aren't interesting, they aren't even relevant at all, I'm just pointing out
that all your views can be discredited.
They are if one is living in the West
I do believe in human dignity and democracy, but I also have my own views ofc.
But that's not even important. Social life has nothing to do politics and I'm no
different than others. You don't even fking know me. So stop attacking me.
"Besides if being evil is sooo typically Western,.."Don’t know what that has to do with anything
You, a Nationalist, embrace Assad for killing innocent citizens and you have the nerve to lecture me about "Western values".
I don't take you seriously at all.
"all that matters is the personality,"I respectfully disagree
I doubt that you have any respect to me or my views.
"and mine is better than you yours ("sounds great")."That’s all a matter of opinion.
In this case, it's simple. You unironically said you find oppression great.
I have the right to share my opinions and the right to express how I think my nation, the USA, should be run.
For the umpteenth time, stop making it look like I don't respect other opinions.
I do believe in human dignity and democracy, but I also have my own views ofc.
But that's not even important. Social life has nothing to do politics and I'm no
different than others. You don't even fking know me. So stop attacking me.
Careful liar, you're fooling no one here. Religion =/= individual"How am I a liar? I haven’t lied about anything.
Won't give you an answer, I'm just showing others that you're a liar.
For the umpteenth time already, your "rights" aren't interesting, they aren't even relevant at all, I'm just pointing out
that all your views can be discredited.
I just know that human dignity is inviolable
and that harassing women who wear headscarves or advocating oppression is not a fucking "opinion".
Bosnian women were killed in the war because of this, I'm not fucking naive, you're terribly mistaken. I know MY rights.
Besides, "non-Western" opinions are also opinions
*** As to talking about "rejecting 'degenerate' Western values", I did NOT mean that serious, but I wanted to provoke.
Well tbh, for a moment I mistook your flawed views as "Western"-based, but I know better. I'm not even religious.
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by The Holy Therns » Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:25 pm
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by US-SSR » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:34 pm
by USS Monitor » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:41 pm
True Alimeria wrote:Thermodolia wrote:I really don’t care. Mind you I’ve been called Stalin, the Red Fascist, a Fascist, and an anti-theist.
^ This dumb comment has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote, seems like you wanna fancy your nonsense with more nonsense to make you look "cooler".Thermodolia wrote:Religious beliefs are very important and usually are impossible to shake therefore it’s better to replace it with a belief system that fits with western ideology.
Already refuted this stuff. So that's just your dumb assumption.Apologize? No. I’m saying that you should get rid of it.
You have no say!It’s definitely a problem. It views women as lesser.
Careful liar, you're fooling no one here. Religion =/= individualThen you can live in Middle East then. When you live in the west you abide by the western ideology.
To hell with this degenerate ideolog, how about that
Nothing wrong with saying it (Also, I'm Bosnian, so I have nothing to do with the Middle East)
Besides, I literally wrote that "many Westerners also believe that" so you wouldn't come up with that dumb comment: "abide by the western ideology", you liar.Not trying to fool anyone here.
Liar.You seem to take this personally. Are you Bosnian?
You KNOW why I wrote this. We Bosnian Muslims are SUNNI, the stuff that I mentioned after proves all your distorted views wrong!refutes your hideous concealed implication that
1) Sunnis behave EXACTLY as their belief system tells them to and
2) that we Sunnis MUST identify ourselves with our faith ONLY by the content of our beliefs, because you said so
-- >It’s not exactly concealed.
Well thank you for admitting you're ill-intentioned and thus we can discredit all your bigoted claims.Because you live in the west.
I don't give a damn. And I know I don't have toIf you don’t want alcohol go live in SA.
Tell that to my faceAnd my opinion is that alcohol is great. Social drinking is awesome. It’s my opinion deal with it.
I didn't even ask for your damn opinion, are you trying to distract from the point I was making?
I have every right to not like alcohol as a Muslim, your view WASN'T even asked.
"Well Assad, being an Alawite, is a very Western-oriented guy, although he believes in tyranny, oppression and executing political dissidents.
But HEY, at least he doesn't yell the tekbir while killing people, so all his deeds are totally irrelevant and he can be promoted because he HAPPENS
to not be a Sunni."Sounds great to me.
You didn't even address my point, but just exposed yourself. How dumb.
This proves that you're in NO moral position to talk about how eeevil Islam is hurting your homo-feelingsI don’t give a shit.
Who the fuck asked you? You are an evil person yourself. Your preferences don't matter.Actually they are very relevant because I want people who fit with the western ideas.
I don't give a shit. And these stupid "western values" aren't even relevant.
Besides if being evil is sooo typically Western,..If you aren’t going to assimilate or accept western ideas then it is definitely my business.
You don't even know me. And screw Western ideas, all that matters is the personality, and mine is better than you yours ("sounds great").You are coming into my nation.
Damn right!
Well actually you don't even own this nation, you aren't even asked, so I don't careYou can stay and be part of the problem then.
You are the problem, not me.
True Alimeria wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Religious beliefs are very important and usually are impossible to shake therefore it’s better to replace it with a belief system that fits with western ideology.
You can say that 1000 times that doesn't matter, but you'll deservingly get in trouble when you advocate discrimination of innocent people.
"Already refuted this stuff. So that's just your dumb assumption."Yet you haven’t. You might not be an adherent to your religion but there are millions who are.
Uh no.True Alimeria wrote:Trying to make individual humans synonymous with abstract faiths to excuse stigmatization and judging them by their religious identity?!
Making an idiotic assumption that somehow the content of the religion is relevant, but not what every single believer associates with it?True Alimeria wrote:And no, all of them drink tons of beer but I tell you they were kickass MUJAHEDINS during the war. Islam is still "somehow" our identity and this completely
refutes your hideous concealed implication that
1) Sunnis behave EXACTLY as their belief system tells them to and
2) that we Sunnis MUST identify ourselves with our faith ONLY by the content of our beliefs, because you said so
I also explained my thoughts many times again.Yes I do. I definitely have a say in how my nation is run
If I wanted to I'd also advocate discrimination against homos in your nation, I don't care, you don't own this country and I also
know that you're no more important than me. I can also be a pile of garbage human being, see, there's no talent behind it
If hijabs offend you, that's your problem. Leave Muslim women alone.
"It’s definitely a problem. It views women as lesser."
*(Btw, The only women I need to respect in this case are my Muslim mothers and sisters which you want to persecute)
"Careful liar, you're fooling no one here. Religion =/= individual"How am I a liar? I haven’t lied about anything.
Won't give you an answer, I'm just showing others that you're a liar.
"To hell with this degenerate ideology, how about that "Then you can leave the West if you don’t like the western ideology.
The point is there's nothing wrong with it ^^ I mean I don't even wanna go anywhere, I like it here.
Actually, I like "Western values" even though I don't believe in one "Western civilization". Germany
is faaar different from the US.I don’t care. If you don’t like the western ideology you shouldn’t live in the west.
I don't listen to supremacists.
"Besides, I literally wrote that "many Westerners also believe that" so you wouldn't come up with that dumb comment: "abide by the western ideology", you liar."How am I a liar? I’m just stating my opinion.
By Implying there's a supposed homogenous "Western ideology" and pretending that there's no plurality of values in the damn West itself and that all Westerners share the same views.
There are people in the West who have dangerous and destructive anti-Western political views and this includes Nationalist cretins like you. HUMAN DIGNITY and HUMAN RIGHTS are ALSO
Western values.
And you have the nerve to say only Muslims must them? Just proves that you have a lying attitude.
"Well thank you for admitting you're ill-intentioned and thus we can discredit all your bigoted claims."I don’t care if you disagree with me at all.
No, it means that all your twisted views can be disregarded, simple as that.
"Tell that to my face"
I shall.
Malo morgen
"I have every right to not like alcohol as a Muslim, your view WASN'T even asked."Again this is a public debate forum. I have the ability to lend my views when I want to.
You know very well what I meant with that reply.
"Sounds great to me."
"This proves that you're in NO moral position to talk about how eeevil Islam is hurting your homo-feelings"Well that’s just not nice. I haven’t said anything mean about you. You could at least give me the same courtesy.
Nothing mean? Should I say I find Omar Mateen great? Or Sun Diego? I mean this rapper claims that "he has killed more homos than HIV", hilarious, man
Sounds cool to me. (And I'm not being mean at all)
How pathetic from you.
*PS: I have nothing against homosexuals, but I was trying to make a point.
"Who the fuck asked you? You are an evil person yourself. Your preferences don't matter."I still have the right to say what I want on this site so long as it doesn’t break the rules.
For the umpteenth time already, your "rights" aren't interesting, they aren't even relevant at all, I'm just pointing out
that all your views can be discredited.They are if one is living in the West
I do believe in human dignity and democracy, but I also have my own views ofc.
But that's not even important. Social life has nothing to do politics and I'm no
different than others. You don't even fking know me. So stop attacking me.
"Besides if being evil is sooo typically Western,.."Don’t know what that has to do with anything
You, a Nationalist, embrace Assad for killing innocent citizens and you have the nerve to lecture me about "Western values".
Don't think that I'm taking you seriously at all.
"all that matters is the personality,"I respectfully disagree
I doubt that you have any respect to me or my views.
"and mine is better than you yours ("sounds great")."That’s all a matter of opinion.
In this case, it's simple. You unironically said you find oppression great.I have the right to share my opinions and the right to express how I think my nation, the USA, should be run.
For the umpteenth time, stop making it look like I don't respect other opinions. I just know that human dignity is inviolable
and that harassing women who wear headscarves or advocating oppression is not a fucking "opinion".
Bosnian women were killed in the war because of this, I'm not fucking naive, you're terribly mistaken. I know MY rights.
Besides, "non-Western" opinions are also opinions.
*** As to talking about "rejecting 'degenerate' Western values", I did NOT mean that serious, but I wanted to provoke.Well tbh, for a moment I mistook your flawed views as "Western"-based, but I know better. I'm not even religious. I value lots of Western ethics and rationality and have good (like normal) relations to Germans fyi.
by Soviet-mongol » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:38 am
by The Huskar Social Union » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:41 am
Soviet-mongol wrote:Sweden does not belong only to "ethnic Swedes" or whatever that means, but to all people from poor countries. Only racist would object this.
by Soviet-mongol » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:43 am
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Soviet-mongol wrote:Sweden does not belong only to "ethnic Swedes" or whatever that means, but to all people from poor countries. Only racist would object this.
No, that is not how it works, people who do not agree with you are not automatically racist. And neither is opposition to immigration or refugees to sweden, or an increase of either of those to do with ethnic swedes being only allowed, but actual problems that have not been handled properly.
by Valrifell » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:43 am
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Soviet-mongol wrote:Sweden does not belong only to "ethnic Swedes" or whatever that means, but to all people from poor countries. Only racist would object this.
No, that is not how it works, people who do not agree with you are not automatically racist. And neither is opposition to immigration or refugees to sweden, or an increase of either of those to do with ethnic swedes being only allowed, but actual problems that have not been handled properly.
by The Huskar Social Union » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:50 am
No, thats not at all what i believe in, i more than support immigrants and refugees coming to my nation as long as they follow the law and dont act like cunts, thats my general approach to anyone really, but there are legitimate reasons to oppose further immigration if aspects of the immigrant community have caused actual problems, or because of a government failure to tackle them effectively. Or if your country does not have the infrastructure to support more adequately.Soviet-mongol wrote:The Huskar Social Union wrote:No, that is not how it works, people who do not agree with you are not automatically racist. And neither is opposition to immigration or refugees to sweden, or an increase of either of those to do with ethnic swedes being only allowed, but actual problems that have not been handled properly.
So you believe Sweden or any other European country should not have open border just because of some abstract concept of nationhood? Well sorry to say, but this way was Hitler thinking.
Doubt it given his post history.Valrifell wrote:The Huskar Social Union wrote:No, that is not how it works, people who do not agree with you are not automatically racist. And neither is opposition to immigration or refugees to sweden, or an increase of either of those to do with ethnic swedes being only allowed, but actual problems that have not been handled properly.
He's being s a r c a s t i c
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