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Who do you support?

S
33
17%
SD
93
47%
M
8
4%
C
6
3%
V
19
10%
L
15
8%
MP
3
2%
KD
12
6%
Other
9
5%
 
Total votes : 198

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:48 pm

Borinsa wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I read their party platform. It's clearly inspired by the Nuremberg Laws.


I never said SD was a good party or that I supported them,
what I am saying is that all these partys suck,
but if I was a Swedish person, I'd be better off voting for SD because they are the only party who don't hate me or my country, If I was a migrant, then I wouldn't vote for SD.

not hating other countries != hating one's own country.
i really wish people would stop saying opposing political parties hate their country. i've heard it in reference to basically every party imaginable and it's very rarely true.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:"The people of Sweden didn't want them"

Except for about 1/5 of the electorate, which increased their vote and seats in the Rikstag. Oh but 1/5 doesn't matter apparently, only the majority does. Oh bull-fucking-shit.


and that one 1/5th should matter more than the 60 percent who did not vote for them?

Should they matter less then??? Because otherwise the SD could make that argument of not having a voice and being ignored, and yet, they could easily be king makers.
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Postby Borinsa » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:"The people of Sweden didn't want them"

Except for about 1/5 of the electorate, which increased their vote and seats in the Rikstag. Oh but 1/5 doesn't matter apparently, only the majority does. Oh bull-fucking-shit.


and that one 1/5th should matter more than the 60 percent who did not vote for them?


Do the migrants get to vote?
Population; 4,307,167 Land Area; 28,847.29 sqkm Pop. Density; 149.3 people per sqkm
Capital City; Rosgrava Official Language; Borinsan Currency; Borin
GDP per capita; 8,017.88 USD GDP; 34,534,348,145.96 USD Exchange rate; 1.00 USD = 2.24 Borins
Majority Faith; Catholic (93.7%) Atheism Rate; 5.8% Atheist Majority ethnicity; Borinsan 98.95%
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Borinsa's Conservative Values;
Nativism, Anti-Islam/sharia law, Borinsa First, Only two genders, Anti-flouridation, Pro-life, Privilege is scapegoating, right to privacy.

*Borinsa is on the fence on gun rights

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:48 pm

Borinsa wrote:
New Wrepland wrote:t. Strom Thurmond


...That doesn't even sound like an american name

you don't know who strom thurmond is? should you really be debating this?
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:49 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Borinsa wrote:
I never said SD was a good party or that I supported them,
what I am saying is that all these partys suck,
but if I was a Swedish person, I'd be better off voting for SD because they are the only party who don't hate me or my country, If I was a migrant, then I wouldn't vote for SD.

not hating other countries != hating one's own country.
i really wish people would stop saying opposing political parties hate their country. i've heard it in reference to basically every party imaginable and it's very rarely true.

If you want to debate diversity and multiculturalism we have a thread for it.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:49 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
and that one 1/5th should matter more than the 60 percent who did not vote for them?

Should they matter less then??? Because otherwise the SD could make that argument of not having a voice and being ignored, and yet, they could easily be king makers.

No one said they should matter less. The people rejected them and that's that.

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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:49 pm

Borinsa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
and that one 1/5th should matter more than the 60 percent who did not vote for them?


Do the migrants get to vote?

why should citizens not get to vote? whether they're migrants doesn't factor into it, and even if you took out all the migrants it's unlikely that sverigedemokraterna would have a majority. they wouldn't exist without migrants in the first place.
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Postby Borinsa » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:49 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Borinsa wrote:
I never said SD was a good party or that I supported them,
what I am saying is that all these partys suck,
but if I was a Swedish person, I'd be better off voting for SD because they are the only party who don't hate me or my country, If I was a migrant, then I wouldn't vote for SD.

not hating other countries != hating one's own country.
i really wish people would stop saying opposing political parties hate their country. i've heard it in reference to basically every party imaginable and it's very rarely true.


Hating another country is flooding them with your people and trying to wipe out their culture, trying to prevent a country from doing that to you isn't
Population; 4,307,167 Land Area; 28,847.29 sqkm Pop. Density; 149.3 people per sqkm
Capital City; Rosgrava Official Language; Borinsan Currency; Borin
GDP per capita; 8,017.88 USD GDP; 34,534,348,145.96 USD Exchange rate; 1.00 USD = 2.24 Borins
Majority Faith; Catholic (93.7%) Atheism Rate; 5.8% Atheist Majority ethnicity; Borinsan 98.95%
Small southeastern European country, not part of EU or Schengen zone, is however part of NATO.

Borinsa's Liberal Values;
Climate Change is real, Gay Rights, Pro-Vaccination, Secularism, Round Earth
Borinsa's Conservative Values;
Nativism, Anti-Islam/sharia law, Borinsa First, Only two genders, Anti-flouridation, Pro-life, Privilege is scapegoating, right to privacy.

*Borinsa is on the fence on gun rights

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:50 pm

New Wrepland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Wow the amount of stupid in this post is so high we are reaching “the frogs are gay” levels

Image

Lol. If ya think I’ve never left the US let alone my home state you are gravely mistaken. Also Breitbart is garbage and just below info wars on the insanity scale
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:50 pm

Borinsa wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:not hating other countries != hating one's own country.
i really wish people would stop saying opposing political parties hate their country. i've heard it in reference to basically every party imaginable and it's very rarely true.


Hating another country is flooding them with your people and trying to wipe out their culture, trying to prevent a country from doing that to you isn't

except it literally isn't though.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:50 pm

Borinsa wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:not hating other countries != hating one's own country.
i really wish people would stop saying opposing political parties hate their country. i've heard it in reference to basically every party imaginable and it's very rarely true.


Hating another country is flooding them with your people and trying to wipe out their culture, trying to prevent a country from doing that to you isn't


can we not thread jack and take this to the proper thread? I already told you where to bring it.

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Chan Island
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Postby Chan Island » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:50 pm

http://www.euronews.com/2018/09/09/swed ... mmigration

Exit polls suggesting that the Sweden Democrats came third.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=513597&p=39401766#p39401766
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Postby Freezic Vast » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:Should they matter less then??? Because otherwise the SD could make that argument of not having a voice and being ignored, and yet, they could easily be king makers.

No one said they should matter less. The people rejected them and that's that.

You just did though, you said that because the majority (More like a plurality) didn't vote for them, they don't get a say.
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Postby Borinsa » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:51 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
New Wrepland wrote:
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Lol. If ya think I’ve never left the US let alone my home state you are gravely mistaken. Also Breitbart is garbage and just below info wars on the insanity scale


Even though there are in fact places in European cities where the police no longer go
Population; 4,307,167 Land Area; 28,847.29 sqkm Pop. Density; 149.3 people per sqkm
Capital City; Rosgrava Official Language; Borinsan Currency; Borin
GDP per capita; 8,017.88 USD GDP; 34,534,348,145.96 USD Exchange rate; 1.00 USD = 2.24 Borins
Majority Faith; Catholic (93.7%) Atheism Rate; 5.8% Atheist Majority ethnicity; Borinsan 98.95%
Small southeastern European country, not part of EU or Schengen zone, is however part of NATO.

Borinsa's Liberal Values;
Climate Change is real, Gay Rights, Pro-Vaccination, Secularism, Round Earth
Borinsa's Conservative Values;
Nativism, Anti-Islam/sharia law, Borinsa First, Only two genders, Anti-flouridation, Pro-life, Privilege is scapegoating, right to privacy.

*Borinsa is on the fence on gun rights

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:51 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No one said they should matter less. The people rejected them and that's that.

You just did though, you said that because the majority (More like a plurality) didn't vote for them, they don't get a say.


They got seats they have a say. just not the majority nor will they be in government

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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:52 pm

Chan Island wrote:http://www.euronews.com/2018/09/09/sweden-elections-swedes-take-to-polls-amid-debate-over-immigration

Exit polls suggesting that the Sweden Democrats came third.

woohoo!
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Postby Borinsa » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Borinsa wrote:
Hating another country is flooding them with your people and trying to wipe out their culture, trying to prevent a country from doing that to you isn't


can we not thread jack and take this to the proper thread? I already told you where to bring it.


But it's integral to what's happening in Sweden
Population; 4,307,167 Land Area; 28,847.29 sqkm Pop. Density; 149.3 people per sqkm
Capital City; Rosgrava Official Language; Borinsan Currency; Borin
GDP per capita; 8,017.88 USD GDP; 34,534,348,145.96 USD Exchange rate; 1.00 USD = 2.24 Borins
Majority Faith; Catholic (93.7%) Atheism Rate; 5.8% Atheist Majority ethnicity; Borinsan 98.95%
Small southeastern European country, not part of EU or Schengen zone, is however part of NATO.

Borinsa's Liberal Values;
Climate Change is real, Gay Rights, Pro-Vaccination, Secularism, Round Earth
Borinsa's Conservative Values;
Nativism, Anti-Islam/sharia law, Borinsa First, Only two genders, Anti-flouridation, Pro-life, Privilege is scapegoating, right to privacy.

*Borinsa is on the fence on gun rights

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:52 pm

Borinsa wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Lol. If ya think I’ve never left the US let alone my home state you are gravely mistaken. Also Breitbart is garbage and just below info wars on the insanity scale


Even though there are in fact places in European cities where the police no longer go

[citation needed]
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:52 pm

Borinsa wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:not hating other countries != hating one's own country.
i really wish people would stop saying opposing political parties hate their country. i've heard it in reference to basically every party imaginable and it's very rarely true.


Hating another country is flooding them with your people and trying to wipe out their culture, trying to prevent a country from doing that to you isn't

But hey. I understand that some esteemed individuals in here sees nothing wrong with re-implementing the Nuremberg Laws in a country in this day and age. After all can't help it that one didn't graduate from secondary education.

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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:52 pm

This thread is a very enjoyable read.
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Postby Herskerstad » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:52 pm

Well, Karl I Hagen is asking the moderates to talk with SD.

Should that happen, that would be interesting.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:53 pm

Borinsa wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Lol. If ya think I’ve never left the US let alone my home state you are gravely mistaken. Also Breitbart is garbage and just below info wars on the insanity scale


Even though there are in fact places in European cities where the police no longer go

total rubbish and a topic for the proper thread. The diversity/multiculturalism thread. can we please this debate there?

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:53 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Borinsa wrote:
Look, diversity it not a strength.
It's a complication some country can deal with (like India, Brazil, and the US) and some countries can't deal with (Like Sweden)

But yes, sometimes diversity is laced with some anti-white sentiment, don't pretend like it isn't.
I don't hate anyone, I just want us to stop destoying all cultures in this world by mashing them together like children ruining paint.

sweden's problem is not diversity. sweden's problem was that it brought in too many people at once, which made the infrastructure take a hit. the skin color of the people who were brought in had nothing to do with it; the same would've occurred if the immigrants were norwegian.

Pretty much this. Unchecked immigration is bad as is closing the borders. They are both extremes
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Borinsa
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Postby Borinsa » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:53 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Borinsa wrote:
Do the migrants get to vote?

why should citizens not get to vote? whether they're migrants doesn't factor into it, and even if you took out all the migrants it's unlikely that sverigedemokraterna would have a majority. they wouldn't exist without migrants in the first place.

I meant the ones who aren't citizens...
Population; 4,307,167 Land Area; 28,847.29 sqkm Pop. Density; 149.3 people per sqkm
Capital City; Rosgrava Official Language; Borinsan Currency; Borin
GDP per capita; 8,017.88 USD GDP; 34,534,348,145.96 USD Exchange rate; 1.00 USD = 2.24 Borins
Majority Faith; Catholic (93.7%) Atheism Rate; 5.8% Atheist Majority ethnicity; Borinsan 98.95%
Small southeastern European country, not part of EU or Schengen zone, is however part of NATO.

Borinsa's Liberal Values;
Climate Change is real, Gay Rights, Pro-Vaccination, Secularism, Round Earth
Borinsa's Conservative Values;
Nativism, Anti-Islam/sharia law, Borinsa First, Only two genders, Anti-flouridation, Pro-life, Privilege is scapegoating, right to privacy.

*Borinsa is on the fence on gun rights

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:53 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:This thread is a very enjoyable read.

I'm not sure if I should laugh, cry or be terrified of the future as a Swede tbh.

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