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S
33
17%
SD
93
47%
M
8
4%
C
6
3%
V
19
10%
L
15
8%
MP
3
2%
KD
12
6%
Other
9
5%
 
Total votes : 198

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Freezic Vast
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Postby Freezic Vast » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Being Europe’s shithole? Unrestricted and unrestrained immigration is just as bad as no immigration


Yeah lets just shut the borders of Sweden and allow companies to pollute all they want because climate change isnt real and support a party that is anti semitic and borderline white nationalist.

Fuck off with these strawmen Lumen, we see right through your bullshit. There are more important issues than your "social liberalism" immigration is a real issue, and I don't see SD actually puling of full of fascism, like you continue to fear-monger on and on about.
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:43 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
New Wrepland wrote:He called them far-right extremists.

San Lumen called them Fascists

San Lumen wrote:
At least they arent the Social Democrats. Im sorry you wanted a openly racist fascist party to win the election.


SD isn’t fascist at all

Whether or not Jimmie Åkesson's party is openly fascist or not is academic. His party is a concerted effort between residual HIAG auxiliaries and the SVR to bring down the Swedish state as we know it.

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Being Europe’s shithole? Unrestricted and unrestrained immigration is just as bad as no immigration


Yeah lets just shut the borders of Sweden and allow companies to pollute all they want because climate change isnt real and support a party that is anti semitic and borderline white nationalist.

Can you not read my posts? As I not posting clear enough? I literally said that shutting down immigration is bad.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:43 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yeah lets just shut the borders of Sweden and allow companies to pollute all they want because climate change isnt real and support a party that is anti semitic and borderline white nationalist.

Fuck off with these strawmen Lumen, we see right through your bullshit. There are more important issues than your "social liberalism" immigration is a real issue, and I don't see SD actually puling of full of fascism, like you continue to fear-monger on and on about.

You haven't read their platform them. The people of Sweden did and decided they didn't want them

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:44 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Borinsa wrote:What the heck is a HIAG

Hilfsgemeinschaft auf Gegenseitigkeit der Angehörigen der ehemaligen Waffen-SS
Or
Those "repented nazis" who founded SD.

Exactly when did these Nazis found the SD?
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Cekoviu
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Founded: Oct 18, 2017
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:44 pm

New Wrepland wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Think he might be being sarcastic.

Might be.

No. People say SD are fascist but if you were in any other country they'd be called bleeding heart socialists.

lolwut
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:44 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:Fuck off with these strawmen Lumen, we see right through your bullshit. There are more important issues than your "social liberalism" immigration is a real issue, and I don't see SD actually puling of full of fascism, like you continue to fear-monger on and on about.

You haven't read their platform them. The people of Sweden did and decided they didn't want them

I read their party platform. It's clearly inspired by the Nuremberg Laws.

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New Wrepland
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Postby New Wrepland » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:44 pm

Western-Ukraine wrote:The Sweden Democrats have a bad history, but so does the Democratic Party in the US, not to mention countless other examples. The SD now has a new ideology with fresh faces, and the term 'fascist' can't be applied to the party itself. No one can account for individual radicals.

The Democrats who were a part of that "bad history" left the party for the Republicans decades ago, I'm not sure the same is true for SD.
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Borinsa
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Postby Borinsa » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:44 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Borinsa wrote:
NO, from the evil scary non-Swedish people who hate Swedish people.
It shouldn't matter what race they are, this is about ethnicity not race.
A Norwegian is just as out of place in Sweden as a Somali...because it's SWEDEn


This sounds a lot like the diversity is code for anti white mantra of the far right. This debate belongs in the diversity/multiculturalism thread. i will gladly discuss this with you there.


Look, diversity it not a strength.
It's a complication some country can deal with (like India, Brazil, and the US) and some countries can't deal with (Like Sweden)

But yes, sometimes diversity is laced with some anti-white sentiment, don't pretend like it isn't.
I don't hate anyone, I just want us to stop destoying all cultures in this world by mashing them together like children ruining paint.
Population; 4,307,167 Land Area; 28,847.29 sqkm Pop. Density; 149.3 people per sqkm
Capital City; Rosgrava Official Language; Borinsan Currency; Borin
GDP per capita; 8,017.88 USD GDP; 34,534,348,145.96 USD Exchange rate; 1.00 USD = 2.24 Borins
Majority Faith; Catholic (93.7%) Atheism Rate; 5.8% Atheist Majority ethnicity; Borinsan 98.95%
Small southeastern European country, not part of EU or Schengen zone, is however part of NATO.

Borinsa's Liberal Values;
Climate Change is real, Gay Rights, Pro-Vaccination, Secularism, Round Earth
Borinsa's Conservative Values;
Nativism, Anti-Islam/sharia law, Borinsa First, Only two genders, Anti-flouridation, Pro-life, Privilege is scapegoating, right to privacy.

*Borinsa is on the fence on gun rights

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Borinsa
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Postby Borinsa » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:45 pm

New Wrepland wrote:
Western-Ukraine wrote:The Sweden Democrats have a bad history, but so does the Democratic Party in the US, not to mention countless other examples. The SD now has a new ideology with fresh faces, and the term 'fascist' can't be applied to the party itself. No one can account for individual radicals.

The Democrats who were a part of that "bad history" left the party for the Republicans. This is like saying the Danish Venstre is actually a radical left-wing party because of its name.

That is compleltey unfounded
Population; 4,307,167 Land Area; 28,847.29 sqkm Pop. Density; 149.3 people per sqkm
Capital City; Rosgrava Official Language; Borinsan Currency; Borin
GDP per capita; 8,017.88 USD GDP; 34,534,348,145.96 USD Exchange rate; 1.00 USD = 2.24 Borins
Majority Faith; Catholic (93.7%) Atheism Rate; 5.8% Atheist Majority ethnicity; Borinsan 98.95%
Small southeastern European country, not part of EU or Schengen zone, is however part of NATO.

Borinsa's Liberal Values;
Climate Change is real, Gay Rights, Pro-Vaccination, Secularism, Round Earth
Borinsa's Conservative Values;
Nativism, Anti-Islam/sharia law, Borinsa First, Only two genders, Anti-flouridation, Pro-life, Privilege is scapegoating, right to privacy.

*Borinsa is on the fence on gun rights

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Freezic Vast
Minister
 
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Founded: Jul 30, 2017
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Postby Freezic Vast » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:45 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:Fuck off with these strawmen Lumen, we see right through your bullshit. There are more important issues than your "social liberalism" immigration is a real issue, and I don't see SD actually puling of full of fascism, like you continue to fear-monger on and on about.

You haven't read their platform them. The people of Sweden did and decided they didn't want them

"The people of Sweden didn't want them"

Except for about 1/5 of the electorate, which increased their vote and seats in the Rikstag. Oh but 1/5 doesn't matter apparently, only the majority does. Oh bull-fucking-shit.
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:46 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:San Lumen called them Fascists



SD isn’t fascist at all

Whether or not Jimmie Åkesson's party is openly fascist or not is academic. His party is a concerted effort between residual HIAG auxiliaries and the SVR to bring down the Swedish state as we know it.

Wow the amount of stupid in this post is so high we are reaching “the frogs are gay” levels
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>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:46 pm

Borinsa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
This sounds a lot like the diversity is code for anti white mantra of the far right. This debate belongs in the diversity/multiculturalism thread. i will gladly discuss this with you there.


Look, diversity it not a strength.
It's a complication some country can deal with (like India, Brazil, and the US) and some countries can't deal with (Like Sweden)

But yes, sometimes diversity is laced with some anti-white sentiment, don't pretend like it isn't.
I don't hate anyone, I just want us to stop destoying all cultures in this world by mashing them together like children ruining paint.

sweden's problem is not diversity. sweden's problem was that it brought in too many people at once, which made the infrastructure take a hit. the skin color of the people who were brought in had nothing to do with it; the same would've occurred if the immigrants were norwegian.
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:46 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Hilfsgemeinschaft auf Gegenseitigkeit der Angehörigen der ehemaligen Waffen-SS
Or
Those "repented nazis" who founded SD.

Exactly when did these Nazis found the SD?

Meet [url=https://sv.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustaf_Ekström]Rottenführer Gustav Ekström[/url], member of SS-Panzer-, and SS-Panzergrenadier-Divisions Wiking and Nordland, the co-founder and board member of the Sweden Democrats in 1988.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:46 pm

Borinsa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
This sounds a lot like the diversity is code for anti white mantra of the far right. This debate belongs in the diversity/multiculturalism thread. i will gladly discuss this with you there.


Look, diversity it not a strength.
It's a complication some country can deal with (like India, Brazil, and the US) and some countries can't deal with (Like Sweden)

But yes, sometimes diversity is laced with some anti-white sentiment, don't pretend like it isn't.
I don't hate anyone, I just want us to stop destoying all cultures in this world by mashing them together like children ruining paint.


I will gladly debate this in the Diversity/multiculturalism thread with you

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New Wrepland
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Postby New Wrepland » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:46 pm

Borinsa wrote:
New Wrepland wrote:The Democrats who were a part of that "bad history" left the party for the Republicans. This is like saying the Danish Venstre is actually a radical left-wing party because of its name.

That is compleltey unfounded

t. Strom Thurmond

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Borinsa
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Postby Borinsa » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:47 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You haven't read their platform them. The people of Sweden did and decided they didn't want them

I read their party platform. It's clearly inspired by the Nuremberg Laws.


I never said SD was a good party or that I supported them,
what I am saying is that all these partys suck,
but if I was a Swedish person, I'd be better off voting for SD because they are the only party who don't hate me or my country, If I was a migrant, then I wouldn't vote for SD.
Population; 4,307,167 Land Area; 28,847.29 sqkm Pop. Density; 149.3 people per sqkm
Capital City; Rosgrava Official Language; Borinsan Currency; Borin
GDP per capita; 8,017.88 USD GDP; 34,534,348,145.96 USD Exchange rate; 1.00 USD = 2.24 Borins
Majority Faith; Catholic (93.7%) Atheism Rate; 5.8% Atheist Majority ethnicity; Borinsan 98.95%
Small southeastern European country, not part of EU or Schengen zone, is however part of NATO.

Borinsa's Liberal Values;
Climate Change is real, Gay Rights, Pro-Vaccination, Secularism, Round Earth
Borinsa's Conservative Values;
Nativism, Anti-Islam/sharia law, Borinsa First, Only two genders, Anti-flouridation, Pro-life, Privilege is scapegoating, right to privacy.

*Borinsa is on the fence on gun rights

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:47 pm

Borinsa wrote:
New Wrepland wrote:The Democrats who were a part of that "bad history" left the party for the Republicans. This is like saying the Danish Venstre is actually a radical left-wing party because of its name.

That is compleltey unfounded

it's not. this is a demonstrable phenomenon that has been studied countless times and recorded extensively. google "southern strategy."
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:47 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You haven't read their platform them. The people of Sweden did and decided they didn't want them

"The people of Sweden didn't want them"

Except for about 1/5 of the electorate, which increased their vote and seats in the Rikstag. Oh but 1/5 doesn't matter apparently, only the majority does. Oh bull-fucking-shit.


and that one 1/5th should matter more than the 60 percent who did not vote for them?

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Borinsa
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Postby Borinsa » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:47 pm

New Wrepland wrote:
Borinsa wrote:That is compleltey unfounded

t. Strom Thurmond


...That doesn't even sound like an american name
Population; 4,307,167 Land Area; 28,847.29 sqkm Pop. Density; 149.3 people per sqkm
Capital City; Rosgrava Official Language; Borinsan Currency; Borin
GDP per capita; 8,017.88 USD GDP; 34,534,348,145.96 USD Exchange rate; 1.00 USD = 2.24 Borins
Majority Faith; Catholic (93.7%) Atheism Rate; 5.8% Atheist Majority ethnicity; Borinsan 98.95%
Small southeastern European country, not part of EU or Schengen zone, is however part of NATO.

Borinsa's Liberal Values;
Climate Change is real, Gay Rights, Pro-Vaccination, Secularism, Round Earth
Borinsa's Conservative Values;
Nativism, Anti-Islam/sharia law, Borinsa First, Only two genders, Anti-flouridation, Pro-life, Privilege is scapegoating, right to privacy.

*Borinsa is on the fence on gun rights

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Freezic Vast
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Founded: Jul 30, 2017
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Postby Freezic Vast » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Borinsa wrote:
Look, diversity it not a strength.
It's a complication some country can deal with (like India, Brazil, and the US) and some countries can't deal with (Like Sweden)

But yes, sometimes diversity is laced with some anti-white sentiment, don't pretend like it isn't.
I don't hate anyone, I just want us to stop destoying all cultures in this world by mashing them together like children ruining paint.


I will gladly debate this in the Diversity/multiculturalism thread with you

Then fucking do it then, don't keep on going on and on here.
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Western-Ukraine
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Founded: Oct 27, 2014
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Postby Western-Ukraine » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:48 pm

New Wrepland wrote:
Western-Ukraine wrote:The Sweden Democrats have a bad history, but so does the Democratic Party in the US, not to mention countless other examples. The SD now has a new ideology with fresh faces, and the term 'fascist' can't be applied to the party itself. No one can account for individual radicals.

The Democrats who were a part of that "bad history" left the party for the Republicans decades ago, I'm not sure the same is true for SD.

The Sweden Democrats who had fascist connections are long gone. Not to mention that Jimmie Åkesson has booted neo-nazis out of his party. I don't see this contradiction, Wrepland.
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:48 pm

Borinsa wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I read their party platform. It's clearly inspired by the Nuremberg Laws.


I never said SD was a good party or that I supported them,
what I am saying is that all these partys suck,
but if I was a Swedish person, I'd be better off voting for SD because they are the only party who don't hate me or my country, If I was a migrant, then I wouldn't vote for SD.

If you vote SD you vote for a Swedish version of the Nuremberg Laws. No ifs or buts.

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New Wrepland
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Founded: Jun 28, 2018
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Postby New Wrepland » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:48 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Whether or not Jimmie Åkesson's party is openly fascist or not is academic. His party is a concerted effort between residual HIAG auxiliaries and the SVR to bring down the Swedish state as we know it.

Wow the amount of stupid in this post is so high we are reaching “the frogs are gay” levels

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San Lumen
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Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:48 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I will gladly debate this in the Diversity/multiculturalism thread with you

Then fucking do it then, don't keep on going on and on here.

Im trying to get them to do that.

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