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Who do you support?

S
33
17%
SD
93
47%
M
8
4%
C
6
3%
V
19
10%
L
15
8%
MP
3
2%
KD
12
6%
Other
9
5%
 
Total votes : 198

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The Huskar Social Union
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:37 pm

Borinsa wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Maybe naming immigrants like me Not of Swedish Blood on national tv yesterday wasn't such a brilliant idea.


That's because you aren't of Swedish blood, that's like being offended because someone pointed out you weren't a member of another race.
I was born and raised in the United States, but I accept the fact that I am not of American blood and that this is not my country.

If you were born and raised in the United States, then surely you are american? What citizenship do you hold?
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Freezic Vast
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Founded: Jul 30, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Freezic Vast » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Borinsa wrote:
That's because you aren't of Swedish blood, that's like being offended because someone pointed out you weren't a member of another race.
I was born and raised in the United States, but I accept the fact that I am not of American blood and that this is not my country.


Thats one of most ridiculous things ive ever heard.

Everything you say is getting more and more ridiculous.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:37 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
At least they arent the Social Democrats. Im sorry you wanted a openly racist fascist party to win the election.

"openly racist fascist party "

You don't even know what is fucking racist and fascist if all your gonna do is throw around useless buzzwords. I care about real issues like immigration, so how about care about those instead of the so-called fake racial hatred strawmen you throw around oh so fucking much.

They admitted they wanted to kick out people who weren't white and have draconian immigration that would harm people

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Thermodolia
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Posts: 76268
Founded: Oct 07, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:38 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:SD isn’t fascist

>founded by literal Waffen-SS members
>not far right extremist
*thinking*

Far-right =/= fascist.

You can be far right and not be fascist
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Frievolk
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Founded: Jun 14, 2018
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Postby Frievolk » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:38 pm

Borinsa wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Maybe naming immigrants like me Not of Swedish Blood on national tv yesterday wasn't such a brilliant idea.


That's because you aren't of Swedish blood, that's like being offended because someone pointed out you weren't a member of another race.
I was born and raised in the United States, but I accept the fact that I am not of American blood and that this is not my country.

Ethnicities do not get to draw borders. Nationalities do, and blood does not decide nationality.
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Borinsa
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Founded: Mar 31, 2017
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Postby Borinsa » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:38 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Borinsa wrote:
Racist? They just want their fucking country back.
I don't see SD stoning people to death, blowing people up, advocating for the death of all gays, and advocating for world theocracy

Their country back from what? The evil and scary non whites?


NO, from the evil scary non-Swedish people who hate Swedish people.
It shouldn't matter what race they are, this is about ethnicity not race.
A Norwegian is just as out of place in Sweden as a Somali...because it's SWEDEn
Population; 4,307,167 Land Area; 28,847.29 sqkm Pop. Density; 149.3 people per sqkm
Capital City; Rosgrava Official Language; Borinsan Currency; Borin
GDP per capita; 8,017.88 USD GDP; 34,534,348,145.96 USD Exchange rate; 1.00 USD = 2.24 Borins
Majority Faith; Catholic (93.7%) Atheism Rate; 5.8% Atheist Majority ethnicity; Borinsan 98.95%
Small southeastern European country, not part of EU or Schengen zone, is however part of NATO.

Borinsa's Liberal Values;
Climate Change is real, Gay Rights, Pro-Vaccination, Secularism, Round Earth
Borinsa's Conservative Values;
Nativism, Anti-Islam/sharia law, Borinsa First, Only two genders, Anti-flouridation, Pro-life, Privilege is scapegoating, right to privacy.

*Borinsa is on the fence on gun rights

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New Wrepland
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Posts: 134
Founded: Jun 28, 2018
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Postby New Wrepland » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:38 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:>founded by literal Waffen-SS members
>not far right extremist
*thinking*

Far-right =/= fascist.

You can be far right and not be fascist

He called them far-right extremists.

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Frievolk
Minister
 
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Founded: Jun 14, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Frievolk » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:38 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:>founded by literal Waffen-SS members
>not far right extremist
*thinking*

Far-right =/= fascist.

You can be far right and not be fascist
Exceptions aside, almost all far-right people (that is to say, far authoritarian right) are fascists though.
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Templates
♔ The Frievolker Empire || Frievolker Kaiserreik
♔ The Realm in the Sun || De Reik in de Sonne
♔ Led by Kaiser Johann, Part of the Erstwelt
Never forget that the Muslims literally made up a new meaningless name for him when they forgot the name of Adam's Firstborn.

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Western-Ukraine
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Posts: 1163
Founded: Oct 27, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Western-Ukraine » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:38 pm

The Sweden Democrats have a bad history, but so does the Democratic Party in the US, not to mention countless other examples. The SD now has a new ideology with fresh faces, and the term 'fascist' can't be applied to the party itself. No one can account for individual radicals.
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Borinsa
Diplomat
 
Posts: 730
Founded: Mar 31, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Borinsa » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:39 pm

Frievolk wrote:
Borinsa wrote:
That's because you aren't of Swedish blood, that's like being offended because someone pointed out you weren't a member of another race.
I was born and raised in the United States, but I accept the fact that I am not of American blood and that this is not my country.

Ethnicities do not get to draw borders. Nationalities do, and blood does not decide nationality.


But Some nationalities are also ethnicities
Population; 4,307,167 Land Area; 28,847.29 sqkm Pop. Density; 149.3 people per sqkm
Capital City; Rosgrava Official Language; Borinsan Currency; Borin
GDP per capita; 8,017.88 USD GDP; 34,534,348,145.96 USD Exchange rate; 1.00 USD = 2.24 Borins
Majority Faith; Catholic (93.7%) Atheism Rate; 5.8% Atheist Majority ethnicity; Borinsan 98.95%
Small southeastern European country, not part of EU or Schengen zone, is however part of NATO.

Borinsa's Liberal Values;
Climate Change is real, Gay Rights, Pro-Vaccination, Secularism, Round Earth
Borinsa's Conservative Values;
Nativism, Anti-Islam/sharia law, Borinsa First, Only two genders, Anti-flouridation, Pro-life, Privilege is scapegoating, right to privacy.

*Borinsa is on the fence on gun rights

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 25012
Founded: Jun 28, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:39 pm

Maybe we should document how many HIAG auxiliaries are on NSG.
*thinking*

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Borinsa
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Posts: 730
Founded: Mar 31, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Borinsa » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:39 pm

Western-Ukraine wrote:The Sweden Democrats have a bad history, but so does the Democratic Party in the US, not to mention countless other examples. The SD now has a new ideology with fresh faces, and the term 'fascist' can't be applied to the party itself. No one can account for individual radicals.

Exactly
Population; 4,307,167 Land Area; 28,847.29 sqkm Pop. Density; 149.3 people per sqkm
Capital City; Rosgrava Official Language; Borinsan Currency; Borin
GDP per capita; 8,017.88 USD GDP; 34,534,348,145.96 USD Exchange rate; 1.00 USD = 2.24 Borins
Majority Faith; Catholic (93.7%) Atheism Rate; 5.8% Atheist Majority ethnicity; Borinsan 98.95%
Small southeastern European country, not part of EU or Schengen zone, is however part of NATO.

Borinsa's Liberal Values;
Climate Change is real, Gay Rights, Pro-Vaccination, Secularism, Round Earth
Borinsa's Conservative Values;
Nativism, Anti-Islam/sharia law, Borinsa First, Only two genders, Anti-flouridation, Pro-life, Privilege is scapegoating, right to privacy.

*Borinsa is on the fence on gun rights

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Borinsa
Diplomat
 
Posts: 730
Founded: Mar 31, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Borinsa » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:39 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Maybe we should document how many HIAG auxiliaries are on NSG.
*thinking*

What the heck is a HIAG
Population; 4,307,167 Land Area; 28,847.29 sqkm Pop. Density; 149.3 people per sqkm
Capital City; Rosgrava Official Language; Borinsan Currency; Borin
GDP per capita; 8,017.88 USD GDP; 34,534,348,145.96 USD Exchange rate; 1.00 USD = 2.24 Borins
Majority Faith; Catholic (93.7%) Atheism Rate; 5.8% Atheist Majority ethnicity; Borinsan 98.95%
Small southeastern European country, not part of EU or Schengen zone, is however part of NATO.

Borinsa's Liberal Values;
Climate Change is real, Gay Rights, Pro-Vaccination, Secularism, Round Earth
Borinsa's Conservative Values;
Nativism, Anti-Islam/sharia law, Borinsa First, Only two genders, Anti-flouridation, Pro-life, Privilege is scapegoating, right to privacy.

*Borinsa is on the fence on gun rights

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Freezic Vast
Minister
 
Posts: 3219
Founded: Jul 30, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Freezic Vast » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:"openly racist fascist party "

You don't even know what is fucking racist and fascist if all your gonna do is throw around useless buzzwords. I care about real issues like immigration, so how about care about those instead of the so-called fake racial hatred strawmen you throw around oh so fucking much.

They admitted they wanted to kick out people who weren't white and have draconian immigration that would harm people

Kicking out people who and have committed violent acts, especially if they are immigrants from shitholes from Afriaca and the Middle East is fair game. And as far as I'm concerned most of them are not actual Swedish citizens.
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San Lumen
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 81228
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:40 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Their country back from what? The evil and scary non whites?

Being Europe’s shithole? Unrestricted and unrestrained immigration is just as bad as no immigration


Yeah lets just shut the borders of Sweden and allow companies to pollute all they want because climate change isnt real and support a party that is anti semitic and borderline white nationalist.

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The Huskar Social Union
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 58261
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:40 pm

Borinsa wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Maybe we should document how many HIAG auxiliaries are on NSG.
*thinking*

What the heck is a HIAG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIAG
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Borinsa
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Founded: Mar 31, 2017
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Postby Borinsa » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:40 pm

Frievolk wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Far-right =/= fascist.

You can be far right and not be fascist
Exceptions aside, almost all far-right people (that is to say, far authoritarian right) are fascists though.


So is modern day Japan fascist?
Population; 4,307,167 Land Area; 28,847.29 sqkm Pop. Density; 149.3 people per sqkm
Capital City; Rosgrava Official Language; Borinsan Currency; Borin
GDP per capita; 8,017.88 USD GDP; 34,534,348,145.96 USD Exchange rate; 1.00 USD = 2.24 Borins
Majority Faith; Catholic (93.7%) Atheism Rate; 5.8% Atheist Majority ethnicity; Borinsan 98.95%
Small southeastern European country, not part of EU or Schengen zone, is however part of NATO.

Borinsa's Liberal Values;
Climate Change is real, Gay Rights, Pro-Vaccination, Secularism, Round Earth
Borinsa's Conservative Values;
Nativism, Anti-Islam/sharia law, Borinsa First, Only two genders, Anti-flouridation, Pro-life, Privilege is scapegoating, right to privacy.

*Borinsa is on the fence on gun rights

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Frievolk
Minister
 
Posts: 3368
Founded: Jun 14, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Frievolk » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:40 pm

Borinsa wrote:
Frievolk wrote:Ethnicities do not get to draw borders. Nationalities do, and blood does not decide nationality.


But Some nationalities are also ethnicities
Then they're not nationalities, and do not deserve to call their country a nation. Simple as that.
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Templates
♔ The Frievolker Empire || Frievolker Kaiserreik
♔ The Realm in the Sun || De Reik in de Sonne
♔ Led by Kaiser Johann, Part of the Erstwelt
Never forget that the Muslims literally made up a new meaningless name for him when they forgot the name of Adam's Firstborn.

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San Carlos Islands
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Founded: Jun 28, 2018
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Postby San Carlos Islands » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:"openly racist fascist party "

You don't even know what is fucking racist and fascist if all your gonna do is throw around useless buzzwords. I care about real issues like immigration, so how about care about those instead of the so-called fake racial hatred strawmen you throw around oh so fucking much.

They admitted they wanted to kick out people who weren't white and have draconian immigration that would harm people

Good, I think in the U.S. we should kick out all the non-citizen/illegals who commit a good portion of crime, steal my benefits, and don't share my values too.
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 25012
Founded: Jun 28, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:40 pm

Borinsa wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Maybe we should document how many HIAG auxiliaries are on NSG.
*thinking*

What the heck is a HIAG

Hilfsgemeinschaft auf Gegenseitigkeit der Angehörigen der ehemaligen Waffen-SS
Or
Those "repented nazis" who founded SD.

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Thermodolia
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 76268
Founded: Oct 07, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:41 pm

New Wrepland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Far-right =/= fascist.

You can be far right and not be fascist

He called them far-right extremists.

San Lumen called them Fascists

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:Oh shut up we get it already. The polls also underestimated (Or it seems like the party had a late gain) for the KD as well. And it was not an "overestimate" they suffered a late break for whatever reason, and decided to vote in another incompetent left wing coalition that will do nothign about immigration, and only made fake promises to score votes. Social Democrats will do nothing about immigration, just fake election promises.


At least they arent the Social Democrats. Im sorry you wanted a openly racist fascist party to win the election.


SD isn’t fascist at all
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Frievolk
Minister
 
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Founded: Jun 14, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Frievolk » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:41 pm

Borinsa wrote:
Frievolk wrote:Exceptions aside, almost all far-right people (that is to say, far authoritarian right) are fascists though.


So is modern day Japan fascist?
They're not far right though. Just right-wing.
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Iranian Nationalist
Templates
♔ The Frievolker Empire || Frievolker Kaiserreik
♔ The Realm in the Sun || De Reik in de Sonne
♔ Led by Kaiser Johann, Part of the Erstwelt
Never forget that the Muslims literally made up a new meaningless name for him when they forgot the name of Adam's Firstborn.

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San Lumen
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 81228
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:41 pm

Borinsa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Their country back from what? The evil and scary non whites?


NO, from the evil scary non-Swedish people who hate Swedish people.
It shouldn't matter what race they are, this is about ethnicity not race.
A Norwegian is just as out of place in Sweden as a Somali...because it's SWEDEn


This sounds a lot like the diversity is code for anti white mantra of the far right. This debate belongs in the diversity/multiculturalism thread. i will gladly discuss this with you there.

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Borinsa
Diplomat
 
Posts: 730
Founded: Mar 31, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Borinsa » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:41 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Being Europe’s shithole? Unrestricted and unrestrained immigration is just as bad as no immigration


Yeah lets just shut the borders of Sweden and allow companies to pollute all they want because climate change isnt real and support a party that is anti semitic and borderline white nationalist.


NO,
climate change is real,
but there is no justification to wipe out a native people by pretty much importing other people.
Population; 4,307,167 Land Area; 28,847.29 sqkm Pop. Density; 149.3 people per sqkm
Capital City; Rosgrava Official Language; Borinsan Currency; Borin
GDP per capita; 8,017.88 USD GDP; 34,534,348,145.96 USD Exchange rate; 1.00 USD = 2.24 Borins
Majority Faith; Catholic (93.7%) Atheism Rate; 5.8% Atheist Majority ethnicity; Borinsan 98.95%
Small southeastern European country, not part of EU or Schengen zone, is however part of NATO.

Borinsa's Liberal Values;
Climate Change is real, Gay Rights, Pro-Vaccination, Secularism, Round Earth
Borinsa's Conservative Values;
Nativism, Anti-Islam/sharia law, Borinsa First, Only two genders, Anti-flouridation, Pro-life, Privilege is scapegoating, right to privacy.

*Borinsa is on the fence on gun rights

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San Lumen
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 81228
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:42 pm

Borinsa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yeah lets just shut the borders of Sweden and allow companies to pollute all they want because climate change isnt real and support a party that is anti semitic and borderline white nationalist.


NO,
climate change is real,
but there is no justification to wipe out a native people by pretty much importing other people.

I will gladly debate this with you in the diversity/multiculturalism thread.

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