Sweden: More than just furniture(Government Found)

[Trumptonium1]

No, not really. It's not a monthly occurrence. It's become tradition on NYE and whenever an Arab country plays football, sure, but not normal.

8000 cars are burnt every year in Sweden.

Source? Not some video pls.

Source of what?

[The South Falls]

I visited Sweden over the Summer. It was tearjerking to see it; a nation committing suicide. Basically you can't step outside your door because refugees might rape you. We stayed in the train station the entire time because we were so afraid.

I don't know 'bout that. We stopped in Sweden for a day, and walked through town, and we were fine.

[Major-Tom]

I visited Sweden over the Summer. It was tearjerking to see it; a nation committing suicide. Basically you can't step outside your door because refugees might rape you. We stayed in the train station the entire time because we were so afraid.

I don't know 'bout that. We stopped in Sweden for a day, and walked through town, and we were fine.

Think he was being sarcastic.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I visited Sweden over the Summer. It was tearjerking to see it; a nation committing suicide. Basically you can't step outside your door because refugees might rape you. We stayed in the train station the entire time because we were so afraid.

I don't know 'bout that. We stopped in Sweden for a day, and walked through town, and we were fine.

Think he might be being sarcastic.

Might be.

[The South Falls]

My friend. Have you been to Northern Nigeria? People get kidnapped off major highways. Oil trucks get jacked. People get their heads cut off in the streets of back-side Kaduna.

Sweden is a hellhole my ass.

Sweden very much is a hellhole compared to other European countries. A venture to Malmo will tell you that. Let alone Rinkeby. There are no other such neighbourhoods anywhere in Europe. Maybe in Chechnya or Donetsk.

Cars being set on fire in the middle of an urban neighbourhood is normal to you? Pray tell where else this gang violence can be seen in Europe. I will not accept 'London 2011' or 'Paris 2005' as answers, since this is a monthly occurrence not a one-off.

Chicago. Can you give me a source that isn't a one off.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I visited Sweden over the Summer. It was tearjerking to see it; a nation committing suicide. Basically you can't step outside your door because refugees might rape you. We stayed in the train station the entire time because we were so afraid.

This is Russian trollfactory tier agitation propaganda.

[The South Falls]

I visited Sweden over the Summer. It was tearjerking to see it; a nation committing suicide. Basically you can't step outside your door because refugees might rape you. We stayed in the train station the entire time because we were so afraid.

This is Russian trollfactory tier agitation propaganda.

Sweden has it's issues, but it's not rapeville.

This guy/girl probably thought a black guy saying hello was trying to rape him/her.

[Trumptonium1]

Sweden very much is a hellhole compared to other European countries. A venture to Malmo will tell you that. Let alone Rinkeby. There are no other such neighbourhoods anywhere in Europe. Maybe in Chechnya or Donetsk.

Cars being set on fire in the middle of an urban neighbourhood is normal to you? Pray tell where else this gang violence can be seen in Europe. I will not accept 'London 2011' or 'Paris 2005' as answers, since this is a monthly occurrence not a one-off.

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Chicago. Can you give me a source that isn't a one off.

I clearly said "where else this gang violence can be seen in Europe."

Both you and Major-Tom have this weird idea that European right-wing 'populists' agree with the concept that America is a civilised country. Generally speaking we do not, although it's a roughly 50/50 split between love of Russia and necessary membership of NATO. Find me a French FN voter who thinks America is a civilised country in the same manner as Western Europe.

Chicago south does not count. Neither does Detroit. Or any other hellhole you want to mention that would go down to Albanian standards of living were it placed in Europe.

As for the car burnings
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/ost/h ... edragerier

[New Wrepland]

Source? Not some video pls.

Source of what?

Those 8 thousand cars.

[Trumptonium1]

SD winning 26% of the vote of Trade union members, apparently, significantly above their national vote. Wonder how that figure looks compared to Left or S.

Source of what?

Those 8 thousand cars.

The link directly above your post.

[New Wrepland]

I don't know 'bout that. We stopped in Sweden for a day, and walked through town, and we were fine.

Think he might be being sarcastic.

Might be.

No. People say SD are fascist but if you were in any other country they'd be called bleeding heart socialists.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

SD winning 26% of the vote of Trade union members, apparently, significantly above their national vote. Wonder how that figure looks compared to Left or S.

Those 8 thousand cars.

The link directly above your post.

That source says 50%+ are being investigated as insurance fraud.

[Major-Tom]

Source of what?

Those 8 thousand cars.

"The police say that their burden of proof is greater and that there is no basis for claiming that the fires are insurance fraud. They want more "meat on their legs" before they pronounce themselves. As with all fires, much of the evidence is burning. But the insurance industry suspects criminals carry car fires to private individuals."

In one sample, 177/325 were considered to be insurance fraud. Something quite common. When I lived back East, we had a big problem with even middle class families burning cars for the insurance money.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Think he might be being sarcastic.

Might be.

No. People say SD are fascist but if you were in any other country they'd be called bleeding heart socialists.

>one of the founders and initial board members fought for Adolf Hitler in SS Divisions Wiking and Nordland
>paraded in full SS regalia until they decided to not to because they couldn't get elected otherwise
>not far-right extremist
*thinking*

I mean they aren't NMR who thinks IED's are a valid method of political discourse but they are as clean as the Waffen-SS was "clean".

[Herskerstad]

Nope, but it is the very incarnation of political elitism which in fairness is not rare in Scandinavia, but Sweden is a particularly bad example of it. Just as in France when migrants started to crowd the better parts of towns which were favourable towards aiding them, they were quickly buzzed into the working side of town to which nobody cares about it's beautification (or in this case quite literally trashing it up) that was not as favourable to the project as the ones whom voted for it. The integration policy of Sweden has been trash tier, borderline non-existent at times. Leading to plain lowest-tier market distribution of migrants or just planned overcrowding specific areas, both of which tends to create ghetto-like conditions. Often as far away from the elites as can perceptively be whom never wants to shield the burden they place upon others themselves. So the solution certainly should never be to give them more credence as the present prime minister near the goteborg bonfires was seemingly surprised at conditions his government had helped create. Utterly incompetent no matter which way one turns and twist it.

Which is why this result is particularly interesting. While Swedish Democrats makes gains, probably not putting them at the 25% mark they wanted. The major parties of SD and the Moderates are being hammered, though instead of just a pure populist rising it's rather a fragmentary effect where the larger parties spill over to the smaller parties. Though some of the minor parties making larger gains are more radical. SD's image problem which they continually self-perpetuate is clearly some part of said equation, though I don't think Sweden will have happy years until they redress this problem in any substantial way. I am not sure what the true winners which seem to be the smaller parties will have to say, and while the balance seems to be shifting from left to right in a slight degree, the question is if there is any cohesiveness or planning which will ultimately define if it can be successful, and given the natural tendency of interest parties to constantly step all over each other. I doubt it. Meaning chances are Sweden will be quite screwed either way, or go into new elections which a former PM said was entirely possible with how things look now.

You are mostly correct in saying the integration process pursued by the government was ineffective, though I would argue this is true in many countries. I am just of the opinion that turning to parties such as, say, the SD is a kneejerk solution. Better integration policies can be pursued, and to be fair to the current government of Sweden, they've been a lot better at trying to alleviate many of the issues facing immigration in that country in the last year and a half or so (compared to, say, 2015 when they were more naive).

The counterpolicies proposed by SD, for instance, seems to suggest "hefty restrictions on immigration" and giving support for "immigrants who wish to emigrate back to their homes," both of which are a bit silly. Sweden took in too many in too short a time, but a drastic curtail in immigration is counterintuitive in a Western European country with low birth rates, and their latter proposal is just nothing more than political buzzwords.

While I am happy to agree this is very much a trans Atlantic problem. I disagree on the point you are making. If someone is drowning the solution can hardly be to give them a cup of water and while the Swedish Democrats sadly venture over to near politically brown talking points at time. Though I do agree that blanket bans are counterproductive. I've always personally been for a rather greedy, self serving style of migration that takes the best and leaves the rest.

They are certainly right in that the multicultural project is decimating the one thing which is important in a nation-states, which is the relative homogeneity of governance and the meta-culture, as well as standards, and that this is just not a good thing for a nation that had as high standards as Sweden to take in certain cultural artefacts that just crashes in with what used to be their values, not just in the ceremonial sense but in the social, economical and behavioural sense. This does not have to imply anything ethnic ala the Korea situation. And while some of their projects go too far, it's leagues beyond the likes of the moderates and Social Democrats whom at best occasionally raise points about it but frequently overextend on their errors. Immigration should be about getting indeed new energy and sometimes even new ideas, but intentionally tribalizing the society into some sort of new European Lebanon by not controlling the influx, ignoring the standards they are already taking in and having minimal standards of integration is not going to end up as a success story and the "It will down the line" trope is proving more hollow by the second the more not intervening in it is observed.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Think he might be being sarcastic.

Might be.

No. People say SD are fascist but if you were in any other country they'd be called bleeding heart socialists.

Uh... no.. no i dont think they would.

[Trumptonium1]

Those 8 thousand cars.

"The police say that their burden of proof is greater and that there is no basis for claiming that the fires are insurance fraud. They want more "meat on their legs" before they pronounce themselves. As with all fires, much of the evidence is burning. But the insurance industry suspects criminals carry car fires to private individuals."

In one sample, 177/325 were considered to be insurance fraud. Something quite common. When I lived back East, we had a big problem with even middle class families burning cars for the insurance money.

Okay?

How does this relate to my post

And who do you think is disproportionately committing insurance fraud

[Major-Tom]

"The police say that their burden of proof is greater and that there is no basis for claiming that the fires are insurance fraud. They want more "meat on their legs" before they pronounce themselves. As with all fires, much of the evidence is burning. But the insurance industry suspects criminals carry car fires to private individuals."

In one sample, 177/325 were considered to be insurance fraud. Something quite common. When I lived back East, we had a big problem with even middle class families burning cars for the insurance money.

Okay?

How does this relate to my post

And who do you think is disproportionately committing insurance fraud

The implication you're making is that people are torching other people's cars, it seems that a lot of these cases are poorer immigrants torching their own cars.

Certainly not a good thing, and a societal problem, but not some apocalyptic nightmare where immigrants just go out and torch cars for fun.

That's how it relates.

[Trumptonium1]

Okay?

How does this relate to my post

And who do you think is disproportionately committing insurance fraud

The implication you're making is that people are torching other people's cars, it seems that a lot of these cases are poorer immigrants torching their own cars.

That was your interpretation. I implied no such thing. I merely mentioned it's completely normal to see cars being burnt in the middle of the streets in Sweden where this is not the case in most other civilised countries - at a rate of 20+ a day.

but not some apocalyptic nightmare where immigrants just go out and torch cars for fun.

Ah, so you've never heard of French car arsons then?

[The South Falls]

Chicago. Can you give me a source that isn't a one off.

I clearly said "where else this gang violence can be seen in Europe."

Both you and Major-Tom have this weird idea that European right-wing 'populists' agree with the concept that America is a civilised country. Generally speaking we do not, although it's a roughly 50/50 split between love of Russia and necessary membership of NATO. Find me a French FN voter who thinks America is a civilised country in the same manner as Western Europe.

Chicago south does not count. Neither does Detroit. Or any other hellhole you want to mention that would go down to Albanian standards of living were it placed in Europe.

As for the car burnings
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/ost/h ... edragerier

Find me one that doesn't.

I mean, Albania has basically everything but those car burnins, so...

[The South Falls]

Also, give me a source for the rapes in Sweden.

[Trumptonium1]

I clearly said "where else this gang violence can be seen in Europe."

Both you and Major-Tom have this weird idea that European right-wing 'populists' agree with the concept that America is a civilised country. Generally speaking we do not, although it's a roughly 50/50 split between love of Russia and necessary membership of NATO. Find me a French FN voter who thinks America is a civilised country in the same manner as Western Europe.

Chicago south does not count. Neither does Detroit. Or any other hellhole you want to mention that would go down to Albanian standards of living were it placed in Europe.

As for the car burnings
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/ost/h ... edragerier

Find me one that doesn't.

I mean, Albania has basically everything but those car burnins, so...

Prove to me Buddha doesn't exist.

Also, give me a source for the rapes in Sweden.

What rapes?

[The South Falls]

Find me one that doesn't.

I mean, Albania has basically everything but those car burnins, so...

Prove to me Buddha doesn't exist.

Also, give me a source for the rapes in Sweden.

What rapes?

The ones wrep was mentioning.

[Trumptonium1]

Prove to me Buddha doesn't exist.



What rapes?

The ones wrep was mentioning.

I am fairly certain he's trolling.

He's left wingedness can only be challenged by Trotsky.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yeah wrep has to be fucking with people, his comment about SD's being seen as socialist any where else reeks of it.