Sweden: More than just furniture(Government Found)

[Trumptonium1]

Are they?

Either exit poll means the entirety of the Riksdag has to work together to overcome their differences because of SD seat share. They're effectively blocking effective government.

Not that I am sad about either result: Sweden is the closest to a failed state and it's great if SD don't win so their country can be made an example of.

I'm sure they can muddle along. Who needs a government when you've got a functional civil service, anyway?

Who will pay the civil service?

The US isn't the only country with government shutdowns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Swed ... ent_crisis

Oh and Sweden is being told to pay an extra 5 billion US dollars to the next EU budget because Britain is quitting, which will mean they will have to increase their government revenues substantially as 38 billion is just over 3% of their current spending (1.2 trillion SEK). It would eliminate their entire budget surplus and more. So I'd like to see how they handle that as the minor parties and the Left Party especially are already pissed about low spending and won't approve a government budget which will pay more to the EU at the expense of residents at home.

[Major-Tom]

Also, anyone know why The Left Party is about to double their representation in the Riksdag?

[The Eternal Aulus]

According to Dutch news agency the exit polls for the Social Democrats is 35% and for the center-right Alliance 40%.

[The South Falls]

According to Dutch news agency the exit polls for the Social Democrats is 35% and for the center-right Alliance 40%.

Let's hope, at least, the Alliance edges them out.

[Herskerstad]

Are they?

Either exit poll means the entirety of the Riksdag has to work together to overcome their differences because of SD seat share. They're effectively blocking effective government.

Not that I am sad about either result: Sweden is the closest to a failed state and it's great if SD don't win so their country can be made an example of.

Yup. The Swedish Democrats, and the broader right-populist pundits, have been saying for weeks how SD could easily win the most seats. On top of that, even left leaning sites like The Guardian, NYT, etc have all been "warning" about how SD could win the most seats as well. They're underperforming substantially from what was expected, which is never a good thing for right-populist parties, as they're generally expected to overperform a fair amount.

And, please. Sweden is far from perfect, and more restraint and accountability in regards to the refugee crisis would've been a good thing. The government fucked that up. But it's still a high-income, relatively peaceful, developed country that has problems. That doesn't mean it is close to a "failed state." It is far from some perfect, Scandinavian utopia some folks may laud it as, but not some post-apocalyptic hellscape some other folks may label it as.

Nope, but it is the very incarnation of political elitism which in fairness is not rare in Scandinavia, but Sweden is a particularly bad example of it. Just as in France when migrants started to crowd the better parts of towns which were favourable towards aiding them, they were quickly buzzed into the working side of town to which nobody cares about it's beautification (or in this case quite literally trashing it up) that was not as favourable to the project as the ones whom voted for it. The integration policy of Sweden has been trash tier, borderline non-existent at times. Leading to plain lowest-tier market distribution of migrants or just planned overcrowding specific areas, both of which tends to create ghetto-like conditions. Often as far away from the elites as can perceptively be whom never wants to shield the burden they place upon others themselves. So the solution certainly should never be to give them more credence as the present prime minister near the goteborg bonfires was seemingly surprised at conditions his government had helped create. Utterly incompetent no matter which way one turns and twist it.

Which is why this result is particularly interesting. While Swedish Democrats makes gains, probably not putting them at the 25% mark they wanted. The major parties of SD and the Moderates are being hammered, though instead of just a pure populist rising it's rather a fragmentary effect where the larger parties spill over to the smaller parties. Though some of the minor parties making larger gains are more radical. SD's image problem which they continually self-perpetuate is clearly some part of said equation, though I don't think Sweden will have happy years until they redress this problem in any substantial way. I am not sure what the true winners which seem to be the smaller parties will have to say, and while the balance seems to be shifting from left to right in a slight degree, the question is if there is any cohesiveness or planning which will ultimately define if it can be successful, and given the natural tendency of interest parties to constantly step all over each other. I doubt it. Meaning chances are Sweden will be quite screwed either way, or go into new elections which a former PM said was entirely possible with how things look now.

[Trumptonium1]

Are they?

Either exit poll means the entirety of the Riksdag has to work together to overcome their differences because of SD seat share. They're effectively blocking effective government.

Not that I am sad about either result: Sweden is the closest to a failed state and it's great if SD don't win so their country can be made an example of.

Yup. The Swedish Democrats, and the broader right-populist pundits, have been saying for weeks how SD could easily win the most seats. On top of that, even left leaning sites like The Guardian, NYT, etc have all been "warning" about how SD could win the most seats as well.

At the present exit polls they're 21 seats away from being the largest party, which while big, is smaller than the total seats of the smallest party.

They're underperforming substantially from what was expected, which is never a good thing for right-populist parties, as they're generally expected to overperform a fair amount.

wtf lol

And, please. Sweden is far from perfect, and more restraint and accountability in regards to the refugee crisis would've been a good thing. The government fucked that up. But it's still a high-income, relatively peaceful, developed country that has problems. That doesn't mean it is close to a "failed state." It is far from some perfect, Scandinavian utopia some folks may laud it as, but not some post-apocalyptic hellscape some other folks may label it as.

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Sweden is a hellhole with crime that rivals an African banana republic.

High income? I know socdems like to circlejerk over Scandinavia, but only Norway and to an extent Denmark are high income. Sweden is not. The average wage in Sweden is 29500 SEK a month so just under the earnings of the Netherlands and just over the United Kingdom. That's before taxes. Now add the gigantic weight of taxes and you're down to 21780 SEK a month or just 2080 euros a month, which puts the average Swede under the average Briton.

Now adjust for Sweden's ridiculous cost of living and you're down to $2463 a month USD PPP.

For the record, the UK is at around $2500 USD PPP and Italy is around $2380 a month USD PPP. Estonia and Poland are at $2000 USD PPP, so the average Swede earns around 400 USD a month more than a Pole. France is at $2800, Germany at $3000, Luxembourg at $4000 and Switzerland at $4400.

Sweden high income my ass.

[Herskerstad]

Also, anyone know why The Left Party is about to double their representation in the Riksdag?

It's not just the right that's radicalising.

[The South Falls]

Yup. The Swedish Democrats, and the broader right-populist pundits, have been saying for weeks how SD could easily win the most seats. On top of that, even left leaning sites like The Guardian, NYT, etc have all been "warning" about how SD could win the most seats as well.

At the present exit polls they're 21 seats away from being the largest party, which while big, is smaller than the total seats of the smallest party.

They're underperforming substantially from what was expected, which is never a good thing for right-populist parties, as they're generally expected to overperform a fair amount.

wtf lol

And, please. Sweden is far from perfect, and more restraint and accountability in regards to the refugee crisis would've been a good thing. The government fucked that up. But it's still a high-income, relatively peaceful, developed country that has problems. That doesn't mean it is close to a "failed state." It is far from some perfect, Scandinavian utopia some folks may laud it as, but not some post-apocalyptic hellscape some other folks may label it as.

Sweden is a hellhole with crime that rivals an African banana republic.

High income? I know socdems like to circlejerk over Scandinavia, but only Norway and to an extent Denmark are high income. Sweden is not. The average wage in Sweden is 29500 SEK a month so just under the earnings of the Netherlands and just over the United Kingdom. That's before taxes. Now add the gigantic weight of taxes and you're down to 21780 SEK a month or just 2080 euros a month, which puts the average Swede under the average Briton.

Now adjust for Sweden's ridiculous cost of living and you're down to $2463 a month USD PPP.

For the record, the UK is at around $2500 USD PPP and Italy is around $2380 a month USD PPP. Estonia and Poland are at $2000 USD PPP, so the average Swede earns around 400 USD a month more than a Pole. France is at $2800, Germany at $3000, Luxembourg at $4000 and Switzerland at $4400.

Sweden high income my ass.[/quote]
My friend. Have you been to Northern Nigeria? People get kidnapped off major highways. Oil trucks get jacked. People get their heads cut off in the streets of back-side Kaduna.

Sweden is a hellhole my ass.

[Trumptonium1]

[New Wrepland]

I visited Sweden over the Summer. It was tearjerking to see it; a nation committing suicide. Basically you can't step outside your door because refugees might rape you. We stayed in the train station the entire time because we were so afraid.

[New Wrepland]

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Or you could just be transparent and tell people to follow @EuropeElects on Twitter instead of posting huge images to fuck the thread up.

[Trumptonium1]

My friend. Have you been to Northern Nigeria? People get kidnapped off major highways. Oil trucks get jacked. People get their heads cut off in the streets of back-side Kaduna.

Sweden is a hellhole my ass.

Sweden very much is a hellhole compared to other European countries. A venture to Malmo will tell you that. Let alone Rinkeby. There are no other such neighbourhoods anywhere in Europe. Maybe in Chechnya or Donetsk.

Cars being set on fire in the middle of an urban neighbourhood is normal to you? Pray tell where else this gang violence can be seen in Europe. I will not accept 'London 2011' or 'Paris 2005' as answers, since this is a monthly occurrence not a one-off.

[Trumptonium1]

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Or you could just be transparent and tell people to follow @EuropeElects on Twitter instead of posting huge images to fuck the thread up.

I don't really care about what you think, though?

[Herskerstad]

My friend. Have you been to Northern Nigeria? People get kidnapped off major highways. Oil trucks get jacked. People get their heads cut off in the streets of back-side Kaduna.

Sweden is a hellhole my ass.

Sweden very much is a hellhole compared to other European countries. A venture to Malmo will tell you that. Let alone Rinkeby. There are no other such neighbourhoods anywhere in Europe. Maybe in Chechnya or Donetsk.

Seesh part of my family recently moved from Goeteborg, though it was prior to the car fires. Not that they were surprised in the least bit unlike the PM.

[The Huskar Social Union]

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Or you could just be transparent and tell people to follow @EuropeElects on Twitter instead of posting huge images to fuck the thread up.

Its in a spoiler

[New Wrepland]

Or you could just be transparent and tell people to follow @EuropeElects on Twitter instead of posting huge images to fuck the thread up.

Its in a spoiler

It wasn't before. I recant.

Please forgive me Trumptonium

[Major-Tom]

Yup. The Swedish Democrats, and the broader right-populist pundits, have been saying for weeks how SD could easily win the most seats. On top of that, even left leaning sites like The Guardian, NYT, etc have all been "warning" about how SD could win the most seats as well.

At the present exit polls they're 21 seats away from being the largest party, which while big, is smaller than the total seats of the smallest party.

They're underperforming substantially from what was expected, which is never a good thing for right-populist parties, as they're generally expected to overperform a fair amount.

wtf lol

And, please. Sweden is far from perfect, and more restraint and accountability in regards to the refugee crisis would've been a good thing. The government fucked that up. But it's still a high-income, relatively peaceful, developed country that has problems. That doesn't mean it is close to a "failed state." It is far from some perfect, Scandinavian utopia some folks may laud it as, but not some post-apocalyptic hellscape some other folks may label it as.

Sweden is a hellhole with crime that rivals an African banana republic.

High income? I know socdems like to circlejerk over Scandinavia, but only Norway and to an extent Denmark are high income. Sweden is not. The average wage in Sweden is 29500 SEK a month so just under the earnings of the Netherlands and just over the United Kingdom. That's before taxes. Now add the gigantic weight of taxes and you're down to 21780 SEK a month or just 2080 euros a month, which puts the average Swede under the average Briton.

Now adjust for Sweden's ridiculous cost of living and you're down to $2463 a month USD PPP.

For the record, the UK is at around $2500 USD PPP and Italy is around $2380 a month USD PPP. Estonia and Poland are at $2000 USD PPP, so the average Swede earns around 400 USD a month more than a Pole. France is at $2800, Germany at $3000, Luxembourg at $4000 and Switzerland at $4400.

Sweden high income my ass.

I'm just saying, so many pundits were either applauding how they thought SD would "win big" or crying over the fact that SD would "win big." It's not a difficult concept, and it is totally true that right-populists tend to outperform polls. I'll give you guys that much. Whether it was the AFD in Germany, the DF in Denmark, or LN in Italy, they tend to perform +2-5 points better than in opinion polls.

High income is totally true comparable to your idea of a failed state. When I say high income, I mean, objectively a high income country, like the vast majority of developed, OECD countries. Comparable to Switzerland, Holland, and Luxembourg, sure it is rather low, but comparable to the rest of the world, quite high. I think fellow social democrats miss the mark when they laud Scandinavia as some "rich, progressive paradise," but a high income economy with high rankings on development indicies is not indicative of a soon to be failed state.

So while some socdems are missing the mark, so are you. Take the murder rate in Sweden in 2016 vs the US in 2016. It's clear that the US has way more homicide, but few on the right will look at the US and call it comparable an "African Banana Republic"

Just looking at Sweden from their domestic standpoint, crime has risen, but it hasn't reached "epidemic proportions." For instance, overall crime has remained pretty consistent between 2016 and 2017.

Have refugees brought a fair bit more crime? Sure. Did the Swedish government miss the mark when it came to how many migrants they could handle? Yes, most people can concede that much. Is Sweden at risk of becoming some sort of hellhole? Fucking no.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Its in a spoiler

It wasn't before. I recant.

Please forgive me Trumptonium

Just noticed the edit as i made my post

[New Wrepland]

My friend. Have you been to Northern Nigeria? People get kidnapped off major highways. Oil trucks get jacked. People get their heads cut off in the streets of back-side Kaduna.

Sweden is a hellhole my ass.

Sweden very much is a hellhole compared to other European countries. A venture to Malmo will tell you that. Let alone Rinkeby. There are no other such neighbourhoods anywhere in Europe. Maybe in Chechnya or Donetsk.

Cars being set on fire in the middle of an urban neighbourhood is normal to you? Pray tell where else this gang violence can be seen in Europe. I will not accept 'London 2011' or 'Paris 2005' as answers, since this is a monthly occurrence not a one-off.

Cars getting set on fire is a normal occurrance in France. And not just in 2005.

[Painisia]

I think the Sweden Democrats might surprise me. They have surpassed the Moderates. Maybe they can go down or up?

Socdems! Brace yourselves for the worst election results in Swedish history!

I need to prepare myself for dangerous right-wing nationalists!

This night will be hot for sure....

[Herskerstad]

Sweden very much is a hellhole compared to other European countries. A venture to Malmo will tell you that. Let alone Rinkeby. There are no other such neighbourhoods anywhere in Europe. Maybe in Chechnya or Donetsk.

Cars being set on fire in the middle of an urban neighbourhood is normal to you? Pray tell where else this gang violence can be seen in Europe. I will not accept 'London 2011' or 'Paris 2005' as answers, since this is a monthly occurrence not a one-off.

Cars getting set on fire is a normal occurrance in France.

Well, yknow. French engineers and all that.

[Trumptonium1]

Sweden very much is a hellhole compared to other European countries. A venture to Malmo will tell you that. Let alone Rinkeby. There are no other such neighbourhoods anywhere in Europe. Maybe in Chechnya or Donetsk.

Cars being set on fire in the middle of an urban neighbourhood is normal to you? Pray tell where else this gang violence can be seen in Europe. I will not accept 'London 2011' or 'Paris 2005' as answers, since this is a monthly occurrence not a one-off.

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Cars getting set on fire is a normal occurrance in France.

No, not really. It's not a monthly occurrence. It's become tradition on NYE and whenever an Arab country plays football, sure, but not normal.

8000 cars are burnt every year in Sweden.

[Major-Tom]

Yup. The Swedish Democrats, and the broader right-populist pundits, have been saying for weeks how SD could easily win the most seats. On top of that, even left leaning sites like The Guardian, NYT, etc have all been "warning" about how SD could win the most seats as well. They're underperforming substantially from what was expected, which is never a good thing for right-populist parties, as they're generally expected to overperform a fair amount.

And, please. Sweden is far from perfect, and more restraint and accountability in regards to the refugee crisis would've been a good thing. The government fucked that up. But it's still a high-income, relatively peaceful, developed country that has problems. That doesn't mean it is close to a "failed state." It is far from some perfect, Scandinavian utopia some folks may laud it as, but not some post-apocalyptic hellscape some other folks may label it as.

Nope, but it is the very incarnation of political elitism which in fairness is not rare in Scandinavia, but Sweden is a particularly bad example of it. Just as in France when migrants started to crowd the better parts of towns which were favourable towards aiding them, they were quickly buzzed into the working side of town to which nobody cares about it's beautification (or in this case quite literally trashing it up) that was not as favourable to the project as the ones whom voted for it. The integration policy of Sweden has been trash tier, borderline non-existent at times. Leading to plain lowest-tier market distribution of migrants or just planned overcrowding specific areas, both of which tends to create ghetto-like conditions. Often as far away from the elites as can perceptively be whom never wants to shield the burden they place upon others themselves. So the solution certainly should never be to give them more credence as the present prime minister near the goteborg bonfires was seemingly surprised at conditions his government had helped create. Utterly incompetent no matter which way one turns and twist it.

Which is why this result is particularly interesting. While Swedish Democrats makes gains, probably not putting them at the 25% mark they wanted. The major parties of SD and the Moderates are being hammered, though instead of just a pure populist rising it's rather a fragmentary effect where the larger parties spill over to the smaller parties. Though some of the minor parties making larger gains are more radical. SD's image problem which they continually self-perpetuate is clearly some part of said equation, though I don't think Sweden will have happy years until they redress this problem in any substantial way. I am not sure what the true winners which seem to be the smaller parties will have to say, and while the balance seems to be shifting from left to right in a slight degree, the question is if there is any cohesiveness or planning which will ultimately define if it can be successful, and given the natural tendency of interest parties to constantly step all over each other. I doubt it. Meaning chances are Sweden will be quite screwed either way, or go into new elections which a former PM said was entirely possible with how things look now.

You are mostly correct in saying the integration process pursued by the government was ineffective, though I would argue this is true in many countries. I am just of the opinion that turning to parties such as, say, the SD is a kneejerk solution. Better integration policies can be pursued, and to be fair to the current government of Sweden, they've been a lot better at trying to alleviate many of the issues facing immigration in that country in the last year and a half or so (compared to, say, 2015 when they were more naive).

The counterpolicies proposed by SD, for instance, seems to suggest "hefty restrictions on immigration" and giving support for "immigrants who wish to emigrate back to their homes," both of which are a bit silly. Sweden took in too many in too short a time, but a drastic curtail in immigration is counterintuitive in a Western European country with low birth rates, and their latter proposal is just nothing more than political buzzwords.

[Cekoviu]

According to Dutch news agency the exit polls for the Social Democrats is 35% and for the center-right Alliance 40%.

either one is acceptable, just so long as the sd stay out of power.

[New Wrepland]

Cars getting set on fire is a normal occurrance in France.

No, not really. It's not a monthly occurrence. It's become tradition on NYE and whenever an Arab country plays football, sure, but not normal.

8000 cars are burnt every year in Sweden.

Source? Not some video pls.