Sweden: More than just furniture(Government Found)

[Shrillland]

SD needs to stand strong and prevent themselves from greed by pursuing a coalition with the Moderates. That is not the answer to Sweden's woes, or to Swedish politics, or to SD popularity.

Although to my knowledge it would be the first time a populist party would be leading a coalition with a centre-right one, either way, no point of experimenting, especially since Swedish Moderates are UK Tories Lite a la Scotland, just more liberal than that.

There's no way they'd ever get a majority by themselves though. Right now, as I've said, they're poised to reach around 85 seats, just under 25% of the Riksdag, they can't even set up a minority government with such a small number even with the lead.

[Trumptonium1]

SD needs to stand strong and prevent themselves from greed by pursuing a coalition with the Moderates. That is not the answer to Sweden's woes, or to Swedish politics, or to SD popularity.

Although to my knowledge it would be the first time a populist party would be leading a coalition with a centre-right one, either way, no point of experimenting, especially since Swedish Moderates are UK Tories Lite a la Scotland, just more liberal than that.

There's no way they'd ever get a majority by themselves though.

Only time can tell. ANO and Lega Nord have eclipsed everyone else in their respective countries, their only barrier is time and potential swing of the centre-right to the right. They will, at some point, probably reach majority.

DPP allied with Venstre and FP with Hoyre - they're not doing well at all, and they're only there to serve as voting pawns for the coalition leaders. If SD choose to go into coalition with Moderates, that's their end.

Right now, as I've said, they're poised to reach around 85 seats, just under 25% of the Riksdag, they can't even set up a minority government with such a small number even with the lead.

That's fine, they don't need to be desperate for power.

[Collatis]

Social Democrats, obviously.

[Herskerstad]

SD needs to stand strong and prevent themselves from greed by pursuing a coalition with the Moderates. That is not the answer to Sweden's woes, or to Swedish politics, or to SD popularity.

Although to my knowledge it would be the first time a populist party would be leading a coalition with a centre-right one, either way, no point of experimenting, especially since Swedish Moderates are UK Tories Lite a la Scotland, just more liberal than that.

There's no way they'd ever get a majority by themselves though. Right now, as I've said, they're poised to reach around 85 seats, just under 25% of the Riksdag, they can't even set up a minority government with such a small number even with the lead.

No party can at present put up a minority coalition though and that's almost by the design of the system, though it's a real knife fight between SD and S on which party will get the first crack at forming a coalition from what I understand, which is a big thing. Though the political embargo by the major parties on SD is going to play in here as well, it may prevent a SD-lead coalition, but it will likely continue to grow in dissatisfaction to SD's advantage. Then again, I'd not be surprised if they'd be willing to negotiate with terms that kinda mute SD's intended goals regardless, sort of like FRP in Norway.

Presently if we go by the suspect candidates for coalitions, S, V and MP would probably get around 40% if they allied. The moderates could probably scrounge togheter C, L, KD and end up with around 35% even if some of those look a bit shaky.

[Shrillland]

There's no way they'd ever get a majority by themselves though. Right now, as I've said, they're poised to reach around 85 seats, just under 25% of the Riksdag, they can't even set up a minority government with such a small number even with the lead.

No party can at present put up a minority coalition though and that's almost by the design of the system, though it's a real knife fight between SD and S on which party will get the first crack at forming a coalition from what I understand, which is a big thing. Though the political embargo by the major parties on SD is going to play in here as well, it may prevent a SD-lead coalition, but it will likely continue to grow in dissatisfaction to SD's advantage. Then again, I'd not be surprised if they'd be willing to negotiate with terms that kinda mute SD's intended goals regardless, sort of like FRP in Norway.

Presently if we go by the suspect candidates for coalitions, S, V and MP would probably get around 40% if they allied. The moderates could probably scrounge togheter C, L, KD and end up with around 35% even if some of those look a bit shaky.

Which would work except that KD's not even going to make the threshold. Not only that, but even the Moderate leadership is now letting the concept of an SD-M government pass their lips though they've made no concrete commitments.

[Shrillland]

Well, folks, here's an American newspaper's view(the SF Chronicle to be precise): https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Sweden-faces-historic-upset-in-election-13165389.php

Saying that the Social Democrats have dominated for a century as a little excessive in my view, and there's an awful lot of "I'm not a racist but...." floating around...on the other hand, the polls show SD losing quite a bit of ground with M and V gaining much of the balance with MP and C also rising some despite the circumstances. Honestly, I thought with the uptick in gang violence, SD would be doing better, but it's looking like S will be forming the government at the moment. Granted, I don't know as much about what's going on in Sweden as I'd like since so many of the major newspapers have private browsing-proof paywalls.

I do have SVT though, and they're discussing campaign promises since the Moderates' manifesto just came out: https://www.svt.se/

MP wants 1 million solar cells in 20 years, while V wants to issue a 5 billion SEK grant to municipalities to raise the salaries of women civil servants among other things.

[Collatis]

Who gets to form Government could depend on which parties, out of the Greens, Liberals, and Christian Democrats, stay above the 5% threshold to enter the Riksdag. Recent polls have shown the Greens breaking 5%, with the Christian Democrats remaining below. Good news for the Social Democrats.

[Frievolk]

Let's be honest. It's not really likely for the Social Democrats not to win majority. The worst case scenario would be something like Germany (where the far right party ends up winning a relatively high number of seats while not being the majority after all), but the likely scenario is the same setting, with a different number of seats.

[Shrillland]

Let's be honest. It's not really likely for the Social Democrats not to win majority. The worst case scenario would be something like Germany (where the far right party ends up winning a relatively high number of seats while not being the majority after all), but the likely scenario is the same setting, with a different number of seats.

Outright majorities are actually quite rare in Sweden, and S and SD were jockeying for first position for a while, but now SD's numbers have slipped. Even so, the Social Democrats will be getting about 83-88 seats if the current numbers hold up. Not an ideal position, but enough to scrape up their normal coalition.

[Frievolk]

Let's be honest. It's not really likely for the Social Democrats not to win majority. The worst case scenario would be something like Germany (where the far right party ends up winning a relatively high number of seats while not being the majority after all), but the likely scenario is the same setting, with a different number of seats.

Outright majorities are actually quite rare in Sweden, and S and SD were jockeying for first position for a while, but now SD's numbers have slipped. Even so, the Social Democrats will be getting about 83-88 seats if the current numbers hold up. Not an ideal position, but enough to scrape up their normal coalition.

I don't mean a majority as in "won't need a coalition to survive", I mean it won't be giving up its status as the party with the most number of seats.

[Painisia]

It seems local politicians from The Moderates are rebelling against Ulf Kristersson when it comes to a coalition with SD. But I wonder if SD is keen of forming a government with KD? Car fires and Stefan Lofven not being serious, what a circus Sweden is experiencing! Although I do not like SD, I think that Sweden is clearly getting into problems. What is next? Apartments being on fire in Stockholm? More melodramatic reporting from Fox News?

KD has become too much right-wing for me. I think I`ll go for Centern or the Greens. SD is too militaristic and Trumpist for me and the Social Democrats are trying to compete with the most-restrictive migrant policies. But the problems in the Gothenburg ghettos will not be solved in a second

[Shrillland]

It seems local politicians from The Moderates are rebelling against Ulf Kristersson when it comes to a coalition with SD. But I wonder if SD is keen of forming a government with KD? Car fires and Stefan Lofven not being serious, what a circus Sweden is experiencing! Although I do not like SD, I think that Sweden is clearly getting into problems. What is next? Apartments being on fire in Stockholm? More melodramatic reporting from Fox News?

KD has become too much right-wing for me. I think I`ll go for Centern or the Greens. SD is too militaristic and Trumpist for me and the Social Democrats are trying to compete with the most-restrictive migrant policies. But the problems in the Gothenburg ghettos will not be solved in a second

They can't form a government with KD. KD isn't going to make the threshold to get into the Riksdag at this rate, which is why their only way into the government is an SD-M coalition of some kind.

Yes, the crime rate did spike quite a bit this month, and I honestly thought that SD would be doing better in the polls because of it.

[Freezic Vast]

Why are the Swedish Democrats falling in the polls anyway, there has to be a reason?

[Shrillland]

Why are the Swedish Democrats falling in the polls anyway, there has to be a reason?

I'm trying to find news stories about why they've slumped. but they're hard to find. SVT doesn't seem to say and neither does anyone else for that matter. If there's someone from Sweden here, I'd love to know the answer. I did find one news story that's concerning though: https://www.thelocal.se/20180820/international-observers-to-monitor-swedish-election-for-first-time

Granted, the OSCE says it's perfectly normal, but still....

I also found this from SVT: https://valkompassen.svt.se/

I got 70% for V: https://valkompassen.svt.se/sverige/riksdag/match/00e7-b552393c-4f92-4922-aaa9-435b54c7732f

How did you do?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Is there a way to do that in english on that site?

[Erdogan in cool sunglasses]

I guess they dropped in the polls because Muslims were more peaceful in the last months. At least there were no spectacular Islamic terrorist attacks in Europe for months. It always affects the support for parties like Swedish Democrats. But considering the last car burnings in Sweden this trend can change.

Second aspect is the holiday season. Some people when are far away from their homeland feel less affected by domestic politics and are more willing to vote ideologically and considering that the most Swedes are lefties the support for the less radical parties is returning.

[Freezic Vast]

https://valkompassen.svt.se/sverige/rik ... 3113cc7ae2

I got 63% for the KD, M at 62%, SD at 59% Liberals at 57%, C at 49%, Social Democrats at 40%, Greens at 29% and The Left at 16%.

[Shrillland]

Is there a way to do that in english on that site?

I just used Google Translate myself...the translation is a little off but you get the general idea for most of the questions.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I got:

Social Democrats
68%
Green Party
65%
The Left
54%
Liberals
45%
Centre Party
39%
Moderates
34%
The Christian Democrats
34%
Swedish Democrats
26%

Even with google translate i could still not make out some of the stuff in the questions but understood most of it

[Erdogan in cool sunglasses]

My results. As I expected there is no party which fits to my needs in Sweden and I could vote for almost everyone with the same degree of disagree. If I have to choose I would vote for Swedish Democrats because migration problem is important to me.

[Collatis]

Unsurprising. Social policy pushes me into the Green camp rather than the Social Democrats. I still prefer the Social Democrats on the whole, but certainly could see myself voting Green to ensure that they stay above the electoral threshold.

[Collatis]

A fun tool to take a shot at forming Government yourself

[Shrillland]

A fun tool to take a shot at forming Government yourself

Damn....the S-coalition won't be able to do it without some kind of grand coalition with the Alliance...which they might be able to do since some of the smaller alliance parties remain adamant in their opposition to SD.

[Collatis]

A fun tool to take a shot at forming Government yourself

Damn....the S-coalition won’t be able to do it without some kind of grand coalition with the Alliance…which they might be able to do since some of the smaller alliance parties remain adamant in their opposition to SD.

I don’t see the Centre Party budging on working with SD. That means we could see a continuation of the current minority Government, but I don’t know how willing the Alliance is to continue the arrangement.

[Northern Davincia]

Centre Party: 66%
Swedish Democrats: 52%
Moderate Party: 51%
Christian Democrats: 47%
Liberals: 44%
Social Democrats: 35%
Green Party: 27%
Left Party: 21%

How curious.