Iran threatens to blockade the straits of Hormuz

[The South Falls]

We've also got the GOP complaining about our spending, so this doesn't help.

and then increzsing it, because nobody honors many of their promises.

If we invade Iran then our debt will go crazy.

[The of Japan]

Why would al queda support a Shiite country? besides they haven't really been able to do much terrorist wise since 2001, its been IS which is pretty much gone now. Iran probably would halt an invasion just north of the costal plains on the Zagros mountains, some of the highest in the middle east.

Beacuse the IIM would be fighting the US and they hate the US.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Are you sure about that hasn't "done much sense 2001" statement?

Iran is actively fighting al queda in Syria, I don't see how they would ally while fighting each other.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Then time to bomb America back into the 19th century like Europe experienced it in 1945. If that´s the only way to get that inherent warmongering out of them so be it. I rather have Americans die then watch America destroy the entire world and all humans in it.

Well, good luck with that.

Europe brought it upon themselves with the World Wars, especially Germany. It wasn't just America who bombed the shit out of Europe, it was other Europeans. English, French and especially the Soviets and Germans.

I doubt America is going to "destroy the entire world," that's a fucking retarded thought.

Really? I can very much see America destroying the world

[The of Japan]

and then increzsing it, because nobody honors many of their promises.

If we invade Iran then our debt will go crazy.

if we keep things the way they are like taxes, for sure. If we do the appropriate measures to sustain financing a war we should be fine in that regard as long as people are willing to stomach higher taxes.

[Azurius]

First of all:

1: Nope it´s not, even if you actually achieved good results which you didn´t so far. The other side is gonna use the same lame justifications, another world war is gonna insue which you caused which is gonna blow YOU off the map this time and rightfully so too. "When we do it it´s justified" is the most lame excuse in history which btw. Adolf Hitler used a lot too.

2: Since all you did so far is set up 1 dictatorial regime after another, bred 1 terrorcell after another, even if in your pipedream world your fascist methods would be justified in case of good results: You produced none! Only negative results.

So no, you are in no way justified to anything. If anything the world is justified to civilize YOU and not vice versa. By the way the rest of the west is more or less justified indeed, you american cronies however i´m sorry aren´t. Nor do you deserve to be in the UN, the WTO, the NATO or anything. Not until you get this warmongering and economic corruption of yours under controll.

You know other countries learned from WW2 and have progressed and civilized, whilst you are still stuck in your warmongering ways and have fought and/or instigated by now 50 wars since 1945. Sad, and that needs immidiate correction.

1. Another world war necessarily isn't a bad thing, considering we would win it. Everything we do is justified because we're promoting human rights, free enterprise and democracy. If the entire world is democratic, there will be no more wars. The problem is, you communists, and other extremists, are standing in the way of peace and harmony, because you're so devoted to your radical ideology that you demand bloodshed. It's sad actually.

2. Fake news fake news fake news. We're unable to produce good results in the countries we invade because there's always obstacles to it, such as continued terrorism in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. Though, I should state, all of those were successful military operations, and we were the victors.

3. Why are you so passionate about membership in NATO and the UN? It's an organisation promoting human rights and democracy, foreign concepts to communists. Or the WTO? They're neoliberals.

4. You know how countries progressed and civilised after world war two? Because they adopted western institutions and the US financed the largest and most successful development in global politics: the Marshal Plan. Countries in Eastern Europe didn't progress. Vietnamese didn't progress. They became backwards, undeveloped tyrannical dictatorships. Their citizens were trodden on and starved, and you know what happens today? Privileged westerners stand in solidarity, not with the citizens of these countries, but with their tyrannical leaders. We really need to begin funding measures to tackle extremism on the internet.

1: True, if toxic regimes like yours and russias fall once and for all. Especially also considering you would NOT win it if you keep making especially us your enemies xD Say goodbye to your beloved, imported german weapons and say hello to them in the arms of your enemies! Also once more: You want to invade whom and with which oil do you want to fly over there? xD With the ME´s oil? Ups embargoed! Russian oil? Upsie also embargoed! Europe is not gonna do you any favors either if you keep this up. So, how again are your troops and military gear supposed to reach the shores of your enemies?

2: Ah yes classical old excuse to keep up fascist policies. Hitler would be proud. No it´s never your fault or that of your own policies it´s always other people, other obstacles... other cultures... Dayum those filthy jews for sabotaging our perfect policies.

3: Exactly, and that´s exactly why America has just as little right to sit in those organizations as NK, russia or Iraq have. Actually even less considering the massive amount of warmongering and dead bodies you amassed and the best thing is: Still keep piling on...

4: The Marshal Plan was done out of fear that another treaty in style of versailles would lead to the next far right little hitler taking over and starting the whole conflict all over again... So wisely the UN this time instigated a Marshal Plan and refused to push any further and unfair punishments on Germany such as limiting of economy, military etc.

Which was a success. Which makes me ask: Why don´t you support the same policy for the ME? Let me guess: Because they are "filthy little muzzies who don´t deserve it" and nothing else! At least be honest and stand up to your by now very obvious and disgusting racism.

Also Vietnam didn´t progress? Lmao I guess the fact that it is a so called asian Tiger State was just another left wing imagination am I right?

[Sicaris]

Well, good luck with that.

Europe brought it upon themselves with the World Wars, especially Germany. It wasn't just America who bombed the shit out of Europe, it was other Europeans. English, French and especially the Soviets and Germans.

I doubt America is going to "destroy the entire world," that's a fucking retarded thought.

Really? I can very much see America destroying the world

Good for you. I can see it doing the exact opposite. If we wanted to destroy the world, we would've. We haven't. Calm down.

[The Biggles Syndicate]

Europe and Asia learned the price of warmongering the hard way. America won't until its entire land is leveled twice in bloody, bloody war.

Then time to bomb America back into the 19th century like Europe experienced it in 1945. If that´s the only way to get that inherent warmongering out of them so be it. I rather have Americans die then watch America destroy the entire world and all humans in it.

Geez, I left for like 20 or 30 minutes and I come back to this.

And despite a pilot shortage, America has an enormous air defense and has updated after 9/11, so a bombing like that going successfully is about as possible as trying to touch Jupiter by standing on your toes. I know I'm off topic here, but there's some things that need to be addressed.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The IIM wouldn't be alone, it would have assistance from groups who all ready fought America. (Al-Qaeda)

The civilian population of Iran would be supportive of the IIM. They have no reason to give up.

The civilian population of the US would be under fire and have a lot of reasons to give up. (attacks from Al-Qaeda on US soil both small and large)

It would still be overwhelmed, especially if we go into full war economy.

The Iranian civilians would be supported and helped at all possible intervals, they'd be able to evacuate to the much safer and developed mainland, where many of them would become supportive of the US given enough time experiencing the developed life.

Hopefully, the public would be supportive and carry the burden of the insurrection, even in the hardest times.

"where many of them would become supportive of the US given enough time experiencing the developed life"

k

They wouldn't be. This would be Vietnam 2.0.

Where the US public would hate the war, the civilians of Iran would resist and help the IIM at every interval.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Beacuse the IIM would be fighting the US and they hate the US.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Are you sure about that hasn't "done much sense 2001" statement?

Iran is actively fighting al queda in Syria, I don't see how they would ally while fighting each other.

Because The US would be a greater enemy to them.

[The South Falls]

Iran is actively fighting al queda in Syria, I don't see how they would ally while fighting each other.

Because The US would be a greater enemy to them.

The middle east doesn't put down grudges like that.

[The of Japan]

Because The US would be a greater enemy to them.

The middle east doesn't put down grudges like that.

and that particular grudege is pretty deep

[Firaxin]

It would still be overwhelmed, especially if we go into full war economy.

The Iranian civilians would be supported and helped at all possible intervals, they'd be able to evacuate to the much safer and developed mainland, where many of them would become supportive of the US given enough time experiencing the developed life.

Hopefully, the public would be supportive and carry the burden of the insurrection, even in the hardest times.

"where many of them would become supportive of the US given enough time experiencing the developed life"

k

They wouldn't be. This would be Vietnam 2.0.

Where the US public would hate the war, the civilians would resist and help the IIM at every interval.

Islamophobics are a minority, so it's unlikely many would have a run in with one. If the US public does not support the war, then it wouldn't have started in the first place, so there would be no annexation.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Hell, the Islamaphobia in the US is already high, imagine a new wave of terrorist attacks from the IIF +Al-Queda making everything worse.

Iran 51'st state people in the mane land US would be hated. Normal people would be talked about with supposition.

Al-Queda and the IIF would be killing in the thousands every month in the US.

The US public would push for a withdraw, Iran as a 51'st state would not be able to make peace with the other 50 states.

The only thing that would happen is a withdraw of Iran.

[The South Falls]

The middle east doesn't put down grudges like that.

and that particular grudege is pretty deep

When you've got a grudge since 2001, it doesn't go. Like the TSA's grudge against the American public.

[Dogmeat]

*Laughs in superior naval capabilities*

So did the US admirals.

Then came USMC Lt.Gen. Paul Van Riper, that unAmerican hater of freedum..

Did he protect our precious bodily fluids?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

"where many of them would become supportive of the US given enough time experiencing the developed life"

k

They wouldn't be. This would be Vietnam 2.0.

Where the US public would hate the war, the civilians would resist and help the IIM at every interval.

Islamophobics are a minority, so it's unlikely many would have a run in with one. If the US public does not support the war, then it wouldn't have started in the first place, so there would be no annexation.

That minority would grow into a majority post Iran annexation.

If it did happen like you said, then the US public would hate the war and push for a withdraw.

The middle east doesn't put down grudges like that.

and that particular grudege is pretty deep

So is grudge of the middle east vs USA.

They would become allys.

[Firaxin]

Hell, the Islamaphobia in the US is already high, imagine a new wave of terrorist attacks from the IIF +Al-Queda making everything worse.

Iran 51'st state people in the mane land US would be hated. Normal people would be talked about with supposition.

Al-Queda and the IIF would be killing in the thousands every month in the US.

The US public would push for a withdraw, Iran as a 51'st state would not be able to make peace with the other 50 states.

The only thing that would happen is a withdraw of Iran.

Now I can see this, but with the right speeches, leadership, and portrayal, people will hide their distrust or hate, and it will also be minimized. Many others will also willingly aid civilian Iranians in any way they can.

No. They are not going to be able to move that fast with large amounts of soldiers. Anything not covert or quick is going to get destroyed by the military.

Hopefully either our leaders or the majority public disagree with those protesting the war. Iran was a threat to the nation, and allowing it to recuperate and become a threat again is not an option.

[Ascysia]

1. Another world war necessarily isn't a bad thing, considering we would win it. Everything we do is justified because we're promoting human rights, free enterprise and democracy. If the entire world is democratic, there will be no more wars. The problem is, you communists, and other extremists, are standing in the way of peace and harmony, because you're so devoted to your radical ideology that you demand bloodshed. It's sad actually.

2. Fake news fake news fake news. We're unable to produce good results in the countries we invade because there's always obstacles to it, such as continued terrorism in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. Though, I should state, all of those were successful military operations, and we were the victors.

3. Why are you so passionate about membership in NATO and the UN? It's an organisation promoting human rights and democracy, foreign concepts to communists. Or the WTO? They're neoliberals.

4. You know how countries progressed and civilised after world war two? Because they adopted western institutions and the US financed the largest and most successful development in global politics: the Marshal Plan. Countries in Eastern Europe didn't progress. Vietnamese didn't progress. They became backwards, undeveloped tyrannical dictatorships. Their citizens were trodden on and starved, and you know what happens today? Privileged westerners stand in solidarity, not with the citizens of these countries, but with their tyrannical leaders. We really need to begin funding measures to tackle extremism on the internet.

1: True, if toxic regimes like yours and russias fall once and for all. Especially also considering you would NOT win it if you keep making especially us your enemies xD Say goodbye to your beloved, imported german weapons and say hello to them in the arms of your enemies! Also once more: You want to invade whom and with which oil do you want to fly over there? xD With the ME´s oil? Ups embargoed! Russian oil? Upsie also embargoed! Europe is not gonna do you any favors either if you keep this up. So, how again are your troops and military gear supposed to reach the shores of your enemies?

2: Ah yes classical old excuse to keep up fascist policies. Hitler would be proud. No it´s never your fault or that of your own policies it´s always other people, other obstacles... other cultures... Dayum those filthy jews for sabotaging our perfect policies.

3: Exactly, and that´s exactly why America has just as little right to sit in those organizations as NK, russia or Iraq have. Actually even less considering the massive amount of warmongering and dead bodies you amassed and the best thing is: Still keep piling on...

4: The Marshal Plan was done out of fear that another treaty in style of versailles would lead to the next far right little hitler taking over and starting the whole conflict all over again... So wisely the UN this time instigated a Marshal Plan and refused to push any further and unfair punishments on Germany such as limiting of economy, military etc.

Which was a success. Which makes me ask: Why don´t you support the same policy for the ME? Let me guess: Because they are "filthy little muzzies who don´t deserve it" and nothing else! At least be honest and stand up to your by now very obvious and disgusting racism.

Also Vietnam didn´t progress? Lmao I guess the fact that it is a so called asian Tiger State was just another left wing imagination am I right?

1. It's funny. These "toxic regimes" allow you to criticise them and worship regimes that suppress all criticism. What is up with the fetishism of dictatorships and rejection of democracy online. It's pathetic. Anyway, in the events of a world war, Europe and all other free, democratic nations would side with the US. This idea that Trump is a polarising radical is completely unfounded. He's a lot more hardline than previous presidents, but he isn't that radical. The US is almost entirely self-sufficient in terms of energy, we don't the Middle East's oil. If we really did, we would've took it by force long ago.

2. This is completely disgusting. Not everything you dislike can have a nazi/JUST LIKE HITLER analogy made out of it. My family fought the fascists for freedom and democracy, not for communism. Communists commit war crimes all over eastern Europe yet you turn a blind eye to that like all other privileged, middle class westerners who have never lived under communism. How many people fled the USSR for the USA vs how many people fled the USA for the USSR?

3. America pioneered the creation of all three of those organisations.

4. The Marshal Plan was created by the US because it allowed Europe to be not just rebuilt but developed, and the trade that would come about as a result of a stronger Europe with America would be extremely beneficial for both Europe & America.

5. Actually, I'm a strong proponent for a Marshall Plan for not just the Middle East, but for the entirety of the undeveloped world. I should also correct you, hating Muslims isn't racist, it's Islamophobic. I don't hate Muslims, I hate the doctrine of Islam and the values of the civilisation it has created. I'm a western values supremacist.

6. Compare Vietnam to Singapore, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong... It's shit compared to both of them. Regardless, it's not as shit as it used to be, because the Vietnamese government liberalised the economy. Funny that? The further away from communism they got, the better their economy became :^)

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Hell, the Islamaphobia in the US is already high, imagine a new wave of terrorist attacks from the IIF +Al-Queda making everything worse.

Iran 51'st state people in the mane land US would be hated. Normal people would be talked about with supposition.

Al-Queda and the IIF would be killing in the thousands every month in the US.

The US public would push for a withdraw, Iran as a 51'st state would not be able to make peace with the other 50 states.

The only thing that would happen is a withdraw of Iran.

Now I can see this, but with the right speeches, leadership, and portrayal, people will hide their distrust or hate, and it will also be minimized. Many others will also willingly aid civilian Iranians in any way they can.

No. They are not going to be able to move that fast with large amounts of soldiers. Anything not covert or quick is going to get destroyed by the military.

Hopefully either our leaders or the majority public disagree with those protesting the war. Iran was a threat to the nation, and allowing it to recuperate and become a threat again is not an option.

There wouldn't really a way of speaking to hide the fact that IIF terrorists blew up a mall a week ago, shot up a church two days ago and, while giving that speech the IIF shot a theater and blew up a wing of JFK airport.

Then few days after that speech, the IIF blew up Rainbow Bridge at rush hour. Just to pressure Canada into making the US stop the Iran occupation.

There is no way that the rest of the US would accept Iran as a state.

The IIF and Al-Qaeda would hide in Iran civvy houses.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Now I can see this, but with the right speeches, leadership, and portrayal, people will hide their distrust or hate, and it will also be minimized. Many others will also willingly aid civilian Iranians in any way they can.

No. They are not going to be able to move that fast with large amounts of soldiers. Anything not covert or quick is going to get destroyed by the military.

Hopefully either our leaders or the majority public disagree with those protesting the war. Iran was a threat to the nation, and allowing it to recuperate and become a threat again is not an option.

There wouldn't really a way of speaking to hide the fact that IIF terrorists blew up a mall a week ago, shot up a church two days ago and, while giving that speech the IIF shot a theater and blew up a wing of JFK airport.

Then few days after that speech, the IIF blew up Rainbow Bridge at rush hour. Just to pressure Canada into making the US stop the Iran occupation.

There is no way that the rest of the US would accept Iran as a state.

The IIF and Al-Qaeda would hide in Iran civvy houses.

Bomb the houses, ez pz

[Ascysia]

There wouldn't really a way of speaking to hide the fact that IIF terrorists blew up a mall a week ago, shot up a church two days ago and, while giving that speech the IIF shot a theater and blew up a wing of JFK airport.

Then few days after that speech, the IIF blew up Rainbow Bridge at rush hour. Just to pressure Canada into making the US stop the Iran occupation.

There is no way that the rest of the US would accept Iran as a state.

The IIF and Al-Qaeda would hide in Iran civvy houses.

Bomb the houses, ez pz

Actually this wouldn't be an entirely bad idea. It would affect their morale and we could take out potential future insurgents in the process. However, indiscriminately killing civilians should be avoided if we have other options.

[Uxupox]

It would still be overwhelmed, especially if we go into full war economy.

The Iranian civilians would be supported and helped at all possible intervals, they'd be able to evacuate to the much safer and developed mainland, where many of them would become supportive of the US given enough time experiencing the developed life.

Hopefully, the public would be supportive and carry the burden of the insurrection, even in the hardest times.

"where many of them would become supportive of the US given enough time experiencing the developed life"

k

They wouldn't be. This would be Vietnam 2.0.

Where the US public would hate the war, the civilians of Iran would resist and help the IIM at every interval.

The Al-Qaeda and the Shia Theocracy are hated enemies even before England was a speck in Alfred the Great mind. The odds of Al-Qaeda or any sort of groups similar to the Mujahadeen aligning themselves with the Iranians is as chancefull of there being intelligent life in the furnace that is Mercury.

[Azurius]

Then time to bomb America back into the 19th century like Europe experienced it in 1945. If that´s the only way to get that inherent warmongering out of them so be it. I rather have Americans die then watch America destroy the entire world and all humans in it.

Well, good luck with that.

Europe brought it upon themselves with the World Wars, especially Germany. It wasn't just America who bombed the shit out of Europe, it was other Europeans. English, French and especially the Soviets and Germans.

I doubt America is going to "destroy the entire world," that's a fucking retarded thought.

No one said that, nice strawman. America is not quite inocent here either, they too propelled WW2, less then Germany and France but they too are not without guilt here, no superpower at that time is. It´s always nice to see a strawman though...

Really? Such warmongering arguments are the exact reason the world is heading into another world war, thanks to your president and fascists like you who openly endorse an all destructive war that would in fact destroy America first and foremost.

But if it has really become this bad with America, then so be it, instigate your war and fall like Rome, finally we would be rid of this warmongering plague.

[Uxupox]

Well, good luck with that.

Europe brought it upon themselves with the World Wars, especially Germany. It wasn't just America who bombed the shit out of Europe, it was other Europeans. English, French and especially the Soviets and Germans.

I doubt America is going to "destroy the entire world," that's a fucking retarded thought.

No one said that, nice strawman. America is not quite inocent here either, they too propelled WW2, less then Germany and France but they too are not without guilt here, no superpower at that time is. It´s always nice to see a strawman though...

Really? Such warmongering arguments are the exact reason the world is heading into another world war, thanks to your president and fascists like you who openly endorse an all destructive war that would in fact destroy America first and foremost.

But if it has really become this bad with America, then so be it, instigate your war and fall like Rome, finally we would be rid of this warmongering plague.

Absolutely wot. Also Rome never fell. The United States is the third Rome.

[Vistulange]

No one said that, nice strawman. America is not quite inocent here either, they too propelled WW2, less then Germany and France but they too are not without guilt here, no superpower at that time is. It´s always nice to see a strawman though...

Really? Such warmongering arguments are the exact reason the world is heading into another world war, thanks to your president and fascists like you who openly endorse an all destructive war that would in fact destroy America first and foremost.

But if it has really become this bad with America, then so be it, instigate your war and fall like Rome, finally we would be rid of this warmongering plague.

Absolutely wot. Also Rome never fell. The United States is the third Rome.

I'll have what you're having.