Iran threatens to blockade the straits of Hormuz

[Azurius]

They still where and still are in some cases.

Hell, Germany could be called a puppet state today.

West Germany was just a mouth peace for the US.

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Anyway, a 51'st state of Iran would be like a 2010/2020 version of Vietnam.

The 51'st state would be born, two seconds later there would be fighting from an Independent Iran Movement or IIM.

The IIM would be backed by Al-Qaeda and Russia beacuse of the "Fuck US" mentality.

Years of fighting later, the IIM would eventually win, US would withdraw. After of course millions dead in terrorist attacks.

I hope that all this doesn't happen of course. So thats why I don't think the US should invade Iran.

Because thats what I think would probably happen. I hope it doesn't, but that's what I think would happen.

I only support annexation in the event war was unavoidable, BTW.

The IIM is going against the most powerful military in the world after they already lost the war. There is no way they are going to win unless we give up, which would frustrate me to no end.

Who says that that automatically leads to your victory? You didn´t win the Iraq war either, nor did Iraq win it. What makes you think it´s gonna be any different then Vietnam or Iraq?

[The of Japan]

First of all:

1: Nope it´s not, even if you actually achieved good results which you didn´t so far. The other side is gonna use the same lame justifications, another world war is gonna insue which you caused which is gonna blow YOU off the map this time and rightfully so too. "When we do it it´s justified" is the most lame excuse in history which btw. Adolf Hitler used a lot too.

2: Since all you did so far is set up 1 dictatorial regime after another, bred 1 terrorcell after another, even if in your pipedream world your fascist methods would be justified in case of good results: You produced none! Only negative results.

So no, you are in no way justified to anything. If anything the world is justified to civilize YOU and not vice versa. By the way the rest of the west is more or less justified indeed, you american cronies however i´m sorry aren´t. Nor do you deserve to be in the UN, the WTO, the NATO or anything. Not until you get this warmongering and economic corruption of yours under controll.

You know other countries learned from WW2 and have progressed and civilized, whilst you are still stuck in your warmongering ways and have fought and/or instigated by now 50 wars since 1945. Sad, and that needs immidiate correction.

Europe and Asia learned the price of warmongering the hard way. America won't until its entire land is leveled twice in bloody, bloody war.

and how would that happen?

[The South Falls]

Yea, why would we annex Iran? We can't manage Detroit, so we can't manage Tehran.

the federal govt doesn't manage detriot or flint, that is the local govts in the state of Michigan.

Yeah, but when'd the federal government step in when shit got toxic in Flint? Never! The FG isn't much better than the states at management.

[Azurius]

First of all:

1: Nope it´s not, even if you actually achieved good results which you didn´t so far. The other side is gonna use the same lame justifications, another world war is gonna insue which you caused which is gonna blow YOU off the map this time and rightfully so too. "When we do it it´s justified" is the most lame excuse in history which btw. Adolf Hitler used a lot too.

2: Since all you did so far is set up 1 dictatorial regime after another, bred 1 terrorcell after another, even if in your pipedream world your fascist methods would be justified in case of good results: You produced none! Only negative results.

So no, you are in no way justified to anything. If anything the world is justified to civilize YOU and not vice versa. By the way the rest of the west is more or less justified indeed, you american cronies however i´m sorry aren´t. Nor do you deserve to be in the UN, the WTO, the NATO or anything. Not until you get this warmongering and economic corruption of yours under controll.

You know other countries learned from WW2 and have progressed and civilized, whilst you are still stuck in your warmongering ways and have fought and/or instigated by now 50 wars since 1945. Sad, and that needs immidiate correction.

Europe and Asia learned the price of warmongering the hard way. America won't until its entire land is leveled twice in bloody, bloody war.

Then time to bomb America back into the 19th century like Europe experienced it in 1945. If that´s the only way to get that inherent warmongering out of them so be it. I rather have Americans die then watch America destroy the entire world and all humans in it.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

They still where and still are in some cases.

Hell, Germany could be called a puppet state today.

West Germany was just a mouth peace for the US.

---

Anyway, a 51'st state of Iran would be like a 2010/2020 version of Vietnam.

The 51'st state would be born, two seconds later there would be fighting from an Independent Iran Movement or IIM.

The IIM would be backed by Al-Qaeda and Russia beacuse of the "Fuck US" mentality.

Years of fighting later, the IIM would eventually win, US would withdraw. After of course millions dead in terrorist attacks.

I hope that all this doesn't happen of course. So thats why I don't think the US should invade Iran.

Because thats what I think would probably happen. I hope it doesn't, but that's what I think would happen.

I only support annexation in the event war was unavoidable, BTW.

The IIM is going against the most powerful military in the world after they already lost the war. There is no way they are going to win unless we give up, which would frustrate me to no end.

The IIM wouldn't be alone, it would have assistance from groups who all ready fought America. (Al-Qaeda)

The civilian population of Iran would be supportive of the IIM. They have no reason to give up.

The civilian population of the US would be under fire and have a lot of reasons to give up. (attacks from Al-Qaeda on US soil both small and large)

[The of Japan]

the federal govt doesn't manage detriot or flint, that is the local govts in the state of Michigan.

Yeah, but when'd the federal government step in when shit got toxic in Flint? Never! The FG isn't much better than the states at management.

Its the states not the fed govt responsibility to step in to local matters. Yes the US still needs to replace some of its aging infrastructure, that doesn't mean that the US cant manage shit.

[Ascysia]

Everything military action, "violation of human rights" or "war crime" perpetrated by the west is justified.

First of all:

1: Nope it´s not, even if you actually achieved good results which you didn´t so far. The other side is gonna use the same lame justifications, another world war is gonna insue which you caused which is gonna blow YOU off the map this time and rightfully so too. "When we do it it´s justified" is the most lame excuse in history which btw. Adolf Hitler used a lot too.

2: Since all you did so far is set up 1 dictatorial regime after another, bred 1 terrorcell after another, even if in your pipedream world your fascist methods would be justified in case of good results: You produced none! Only negative results.

So no, you are in no way justified to anything. If anything the world is justified to civilize YOU and not vice versa. By the way the rest of the west is more or less justified indeed, you american cronies however i´m sorry aren´t. Nor do you deserve to be in the UN, the WTO, the NATO or anything. Not until you get this warmongering and economic corruption of yours under controll.

You know other countries learned from WW2 and have progressed and civilized, whilst you are still stuck in your warmongering ways and have fought and/or instigated by now 50 wars since 1945. Sad, and that needs immidiate correction.

1. Another world war necessarily isn't a bad thing, considering we would win it. Everything we do is justified because we're promoting human rights, free enterprise and democracy. If the entire world is democratic, there will be no more wars. The problem is, you communists, and other extremists, are standing in the way of peace and harmony, because you're so devoted to your radical ideology that you demand bloodshed. It's sad actually.

2. Fake news fake news fake news. We're unable to produce good results in the countries we invade because there's always obstacles to it, such as continued terrorism in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. Though, I should state, all of those were successful military operations, and we were the victors.

3. Why are you so passionate about membership in NATO and the UN? It's an organisation promoting human rights and democracy, foreign concepts to communists. Or the WTO? They're neoliberals.

4. You know how countries progressed and civilised after world war two? Because they adopted western institutions and the US financed the largest and most successful development in global politics: the Marshal Plan. Countries in Eastern Europe didn't progress. Vietnamese didn't progress. They became backwards, undeveloped tyrannical dictatorships. Their citizens were trodden on and starved, and you know what happens today? Privileged westerners stand in solidarity, not with the citizens of these countries, but with their tyrannical leaders. We really need to begin funding measures to tackle extremism on the internet.

[The of Japan]

I only support annexation in the event war was unavoidable, BTW.

The IIM is going against the most powerful military in the world after they already lost the war. There is no way they are going to win unless we give up, which would frustrate me to no end.

The IIM wouldn't be alone, it would have assistance from groups who all ready fought America. (Al-Qaeda)

The civilian population of Iran would be support of the IIM. They have no reason to give up.

The civilian population of the US would be under fire and have a lot of reasons to give up. (attacks from Al-Qaeda on US soil both small and large)

Why would al queda support a Shiite country? besides they haven't really been able to do much terrorist wise since 2001, its been IS which is pretty much gone now. Iran probably would halt an invasion just north of the costal plains on the Zagros mountains, some of the highest in the middle east.

[Firaxin]

I only support annexation in the event war was unavoidable, BTW.

The IIM is going against the most powerful military in the world after they already lost the war. There is no way they are going to win unless we give up, which would frustrate me to no end.

Who says that that automatically leads to your victory? You didn´t win the Iraq war either, nor did Iraq win it. What makes you think it´s gonna be any different then Vietnam or Iraq?

Because this time we hopefully we will not give up.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Yeah, but when'd the federal government step in when shit got toxic in Flint? Never! The FG isn't much better than the states at management.

Its the states not the fed govt responsibility to step in to local matters. Yes the US still needs to replace some of its aging infrastructure, that doesn't mean that the US cant manage shit.

I’m pretty sure that’s literally proof we can’t
If we could our infrastructure wouldn’t be crumbling

[The South Falls]

Yeah, but when'd the federal government step in when shit got toxic in Flint? Never! The FG isn't much better than the states at management.

Its the states not the fed govt responsibility to step in to local matters. Yes the US still needs to replace some of its aging infrastructure, that doesn't mean that the US cant manage shit.

We've also got the GOP complaining about our spending, so this doesn't help.

[Sicaris]

If Iran does they're effectively crippling their international relations even more.

Do it. No balls, Iran.


tfw hoping for Iranian government to be overthrown so you low-key want this to happen

[Internationalist Bastard]

Who says that that automatically leads to your victory? You didn´t win the Iraq war either, nor did Iraq win it. What makes you think it´s gonna be any different then Vietnam or Iraq?

Because this time we hopefully we will not give up.

Oh boy we’ll really have a quagmire then

[Frievolk]

If Iran does they're effectively crippling their international relations even more.

Do it. No balls, Iran.


tfw hoping for Iranian government to be overthrown so you low-key want this to happen

I'm an Iranian, I literally live here in Iran, and I am not sure whether I don't want this to happen. Becuase the moment they blockade Hormuz is the moment you know they'll be going down. The problem is what happens afterwards (which is why I am not already out there saying "DO IT YOU FUCKERS" in the streets)

[The of Japan]

Its the states not the fed govt responsibility to step in to local matters. Yes the US still needs to replace some of its aging infrastructure, that doesn't mean that the US cant manage shit.

I’m pretty sure that’s literally proof we can’t
If we could our infrastructure wouldn’t be crumbling

except for certain stuff like interstates the general infrastructure is maintained at the local and state level.

[The of Japan]

Its the states not the fed govt responsibility to step in to local matters. Yes the US still needs to replace some of its aging infrastructure, that doesn't mean that the US cant manage shit.

We've also got the GOP complaining about our spending, so this doesn't help.

and then increzsing it, because nobody honors many of their promises.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I’m pretty sure that’s literally proof we can’t
If we could our infrastructure wouldn’t be crumbling

except for certain stuff like interstates the general infrastructure is maintained at the local and state level.

Which clearly is not working

[The of Japan]

except for certain stuff like interstates the general infrastructure is maintained at the local and state level.

Which clearly is not working

it has worked enough to get the US where it is clearly.

[Sicaris]

If Iran does they're effectively crippling their international relations even more.

Do it. No balls, Iran.


tfw hoping for Iranian government to be overthrown so you low-key want this to happen

I'm an Iranian, I literally live here in Iran, and I am not sure whether I don't want this to happen. Becuase the moment they blockade Hormuz is the moment you know they'll be going down. The problem is what happens afterwards (which is why I am not already out there saying "DO IT YOU FUCKERS" in the streets)

If they do this, there will be heavy sanctions, so you'll have to deal with that. Economy and people would start to suffer and the government would either have to retract this policy or do something else. Or get overthrown.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Which clearly is not working

it has worked enough to get the US where it is clearly.

With crumbling infrastructure?

[Xadufell]

Europe and Asia learned the price of warmongering the hard way. America won't until its entire land is leveled twice in bloody, bloody war.

Then time to bomb America back into the 19th century like Europe experienced it in 1945. If that´s the only way to get that inherent warmongering out of them so be it. I rather have Americans die then watch America destroy the entire world and all humans in it.

Well, good luck with that.

Europe brought it upon themselves with the World Wars, especially Germany. It wasn't just America who bombed the shit out of Europe, it was other Europeans. English, French and especially the Soviets and Germans.

I doubt America is going to "destroy the entire world," that's a fucking retarded thought.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The IIM wouldn't be alone, it would have assistance from groups who all ready fought America. (Al-Qaeda)

The civilian population of Iran would be support of the IIM. They have no reason to give up.

The civilian population of the US would be under fire and have a lot of reasons to give up. (attacks from Al-Qaeda on US soil both small and large)

Why would al queda support a Shiite country? besides they haven't really been able to do much terrorist wise since 2001, its been IS which is pretty much gone now. Iran probably would halt an invasion just north of the costal plains on the Zagros mountains, some of the highest in the middle east.

Beacuse the IIM would be fighting the US and they hate the US.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Are you sure about that hasn't "done much sense 2001" statement?

[Firaxin]

I only support annexation in the event war was unavoidable, BTW.

The IIM is going against the most powerful military in the world after they already lost the war. There is no way they are going to win unless we give up, which would frustrate me to no end.

The IIM wouldn't be alone, it would have assistance from groups who all ready fought America. (Al-Qaeda)

The civilian population of Iran would be supportive of the IIM. They have no reason to give up.

The civilian population of the US would be under fire and have a lot of reasons to give up. (attacks from Al-Qaeda on US soil both small and large)

It would still be overwhelmed, especially if we go into full war economy.

The Iranian civilians would be supported and helped at all possible intervals, they'd be able to evacuate to the much safer and developed mainland, where many of them would become supportive of the US given enough time experiencing the developed life.

Hopefully, the public would be supportive and carry the burden of the insurrection, even in the hardest times.

[The of Japan]

it has worked enough to get the US where it is clearly.

With crumbling infrastructure?

If it was really crumbling we would hear about it more across the nation instead of local fuckups like flint.

[The Biggles Syndicate]

Both, but I was thinking of the Iranian one.

they mostly have small coastal defense craft and frigates, they have a few minelayers and 1 destroyer.

The US would just send in a task force. They would probably send in another to start a counter-blockade, while the other would provide support.