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Postby Firaxin » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:24 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Firaxin wrote:Nothing is easy, but it must be done for the greater good. I refuse to let those who die in a war die in vain, no puppet government will stand the test of time


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Saying "It must be done!" and then doing it are two different things.

Both Koreas have become independent they are no longer puppets, same with vietnam.

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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:25 am

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Petrasylvania wrote:Clicked on the thread with the idea of discussing Tehran threatening to blockade the Strait of Hormuz and instead wind up in a Reddit Iranian Blowjob fiction forum.

So much this.

People are actually discussing annexing Iran into the United States. Seriously so.

Where is that goddamned facepalm emoji when we so desperately need it?

Yea, why would we annex Iran? We can't manage Detroit, so we can't manage Tehran.
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Postby The of Japan » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:25 am

Petrasylvania wrote:Clicked on the thread with the idea of discussing Tehran threatening to blockade the Strait of Hormuz and instead wind up in a Reddit Iranian Blowjob fiction forum.

Even if the blockade is not possible, the declaration is a symptom that Donnie is slowly but surely pissing off parts of the entire world that's not Putin or Kim. No country can literally take on the rest of the world and win.

Iran hated America since 1979.
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Postby The of Japan » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:26 am

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Vistulange wrote:So much this.

People are actually discussing annexing Iran into the United States. Seriously so.

Where is that goddamned facepalm emoji when we so desperately need it?

Yea, why would we annex Iran? We can't manage Detroit, so we can't manage Tehran.

the federal govt doesn't manage detriot or flint, that is the local govts in the state of Michigan.
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Postby Frievolk » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:27 am

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Petrasylvania wrote:Clicked on the thread with the idea of discussing Tehran threatening to blockade the Strait of Hormuz and instead wind up in a Reddit Iranian Blowjob fiction forum.

Even if the blockade is not possible, the declaration is a symptom that Donnie is slowly but surely pissing off parts of the entire world that's not Putin or Kim. No country can literally take on the rest of the world and win.

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Postby Ascysia » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:30 am

Well well well. Looks like we need to put the Iranians in their place. You know how this could be solved? Regime change and demilitarisation of the entire country. It's time we as the civilised world send a message to countries that follow the same evil ideals as Iran.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:32 am

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Yes, but you said that the current independence movements where not relevant.

Hawaii, Texas, and California don't have the same many years as Iran to form it's own identity.

No I said that they where never relevant. And what the fuck are you talking about? Hawaii was an Independent nation for hundreds of years. This just further proves to me that you know absolutely nothing.



And Hawaii didn't have a bunch of neighbors who hated the US with terrorists in them who also hate the US.

Because Hawaii is a bunch of islands so the logistics change. Also, Hawaii didn't have access to AK-47s, a radical ideology, and possble nukes. As most of that stuff wasn't invented yet.

Hawaii and Iran would be two completely different battle grounds separated by a century of cultural development, technological development and, 13,490.67 km difference between the two.

It would be something totally different then any other war the US has faced so far.

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
@the bolded
*Laughs in Korean and Vietnamese*

Saying "It must be done!" and then doing it are two different things.

Both Koreas have become independent they are no longer puppets, same with vietnam.



They where born puppet states.

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Postby Ascysia » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:33 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:No I said that they where never relevant. And what the fuck are you talking about? Hawaii was an Independent nation for hundreds of years. This just further proves to me that you know absolutely nothing.



And Hawaii didn't have a bunch of neighbors who hated the US with terrorists in them who also hate the US.

Because Hawaii is a bunch of islands so the logistics change. Also, Hawaii didn't have access to AK-47s, a radical ideology, and possble nukes. As most of that stuff wasn't invented yet.

Hawaii and Iran would be two completely different battle grounds separated by a century of cultural development, technological development and, 13,490.67 km difference between the two.

It would be something totally different then any other war the US has faced so far.

Firaxin wrote:Both Koreas have become independent they are no longer puppets, same with vietnam.



They where born puppet states.

Korea was liberated. Half of it (the South) became free, the other half (the North) became a puppet.
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Postby Firaxin » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:35 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Firaxin wrote:Both Koreas have become independent they are no longer puppets, same with vietnam.



They where born puppet states.

Yes, but they aren't anymore. They would be much worse off if they all stayed puppets.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:35 am

Ascysia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

And Hawaii didn't have a bunch of neighbors who hated the US with terrorists in them who also hate the US.

Because Hawaii is a bunch of islands so the logistics change. Also, Hawaii didn't have access to AK-47s, a radical ideology, and possble nukes. As most of that stuff wasn't invented yet.

Hawaii and Iran would be two completely different battle grounds separated by a century of cultural development, technological development and, 13,490.67 km difference between the two.

It would be something totally different then any other war the US has faced so far.




They where born puppet states.

Korea was liberated. Half of it (the South) became free, the other half (the North) became a puppet.


Both became puppets for the US and The USSR respectively.

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Postby The of Japan » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:35 am

Ascysia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

And Hawaii didn't have a bunch of neighbors who hated the US with terrorists in them who also hate the US.

Because Hawaii is a bunch of islands so the logistics change. Also, Hawaii didn't have access to AK-47s, a radical ideology, and possble nukes. As most of that stuff wasn't invented yet.

Hawaii and Iran would be two completely different battle grounds separated by a century of cultural development, technological development and, 13,490.67 km difference between the two.

It would be something totally different then any other war the US has faced so far.




They where born puppet states.

Korea was liberated. Half of it (the South) became free, the other half (the North) became a puppet.

SK was a puppet and dictatorship until the 80-90s. NK never democratized
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Postby The Biggles Syndicate » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:36 am

Why is it that EVERY discussion about a political scenario of any kind on these forums turns into an enormous debate about things that are increasingly off topic?

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Postby Ascysia » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:36 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Ascysia wrote:Korea was liberated. Half of it (the South) became free, the other half (the North) became a puppet.


Both became puppets for the US and The USSR respectively.

Incorrect. The South has always been independent of the US. The North was a puppet of the USSR, and now China is just holding onto it with a very long leash that they will eventually pull in.
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Postby Firaxin » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:37 am

The Biggles Syndicate wrote:Why is it that EVERY discussion about a political scenario of any kind on these forums turns into an enormous debate about things that are increasingly off topic?

Ironic.

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Postby The of Japan » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:38 am

The USA wouldn't really need to land in Iran to damage it, they could just use their power to attack iran economically
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Postby The of Japan » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:38 am

Ascysia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Both became puppets for the US and The USSR respectively.

Incorrect. The South has always been independent of the US. The North was a puppet of the USSR, and now China is just holding onto it with a very long leash that they will eventually pull in.

SK was a puppet iniially
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Postby The of Japan » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:39 am

The Biggles Syndicate wrote:Why is it that EVERY discussion about a political scenario of any kind on these forums turns into an enormous debate about things that are increasingly off topic?
it just does
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Postby The Biggles Syndicate » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:41 am

The South Falls wrote:
Vistulange wrote:So much this.

People are actually discussing annexing Iran into the United States. Seriously so.

Where is that goddamned facepalm emoji when we so desperately need it?

Yea, why would we annex Iran? We can't manage Detroit, so we can't manage Tehran.

Also, considering the position of Iran and distance to the US, a full on annexing just wouldn't work.

Getting back on topic though, what would the blockade consist of? I'm thinking mostly frigates.
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Postby Firaxin » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:42 am

The Biggles Syndicate wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Yea, why would we annex Iran? We can't manage Detroit, so we can't manage Tehran.

Also, considering the position of Iran and distance to the US, a full on annexing just wouldn't work.

Not with that attitude it won't.

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Postby Ascysia » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:42 am

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Ascysia wrote:Incorrect. The South has always been independent of the US. The North was a puppet of the USSR, and now China is just holding onto it with a very long leash that they will eventually pull in.

SK was a puppet iniially

No it wasn't.

The of Japan wrote:The USA wouldn't really need to land in Iran to damage it, they could just use their power to attack iran economically

Yes, however we should get involved in Iran militarily. Using Saudi Arabia and Turkey as launch points, we could easily conduct large scale air attacks on them. Targets could range from government buildings, residences of government and military officials, military sites, and suspected nuclear sites.
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Postby Vistulange » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:42 am

The of Japan wrote:The USA wouldn't really need to land in Iran to damage it, they could just use their power to attack iran economically

I mean, the less you are integrated with a said country, the less means you have to economically damage it. The US potential to economically harm the European Union is, I'd wager, larger than its potential to harm the Iranian economy due to the fact that Iran has been much more isolated and ostracized from the global economy since 1979.

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Postby Azurius » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:42 am

Ascysia wrote:Well well well. Looks like we need to put the Iranians in their place. You know how this could be solved? Regime change and demilitarisation of the entire country. It's time we as the civilised world send a message to countries that follow the same evil ideals as Iran.


In that case the world should start with America. Complete demilitarization and you´ll pay for your countless crimes as long as it takes until they are paid off. Successors of former countries will receive the payments in case the former doesn´t exist anymore.

It is indeed time we civilized the world, and at the moment America is the biggest obstacle to that.

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Postby Azurius » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:44 am

Firaxin wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

They where born puppet states.

Yes, but they aren't anymore. They would be much worse off if they all stayed puppets.


GDP and living standard show otherwise in case of NK.

Ascysia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Both became puppets for the US and The USSR respectively.

Incorrect. The South has always been independent of the US. The North was a puppet of the USSR, and now China is just holding onto it with a very long leash that they will eventually pull in.


Then why the subsidies and economic special treatment? And also why was a puppet dictator installed whoms dynasty kept SK under its grip until the 80s, and which is still an incomplete democracy at best? Also ever seen SK´s human rights violations?

SK is anything but indepedent and also anything but a rolemodel.
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Postby Ascysia » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:45 am

The Biggles Syndicate wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Yea, why would we annex Iran? We can't manage Detroit, so we can't manage Tehran.

Also, considering the position of Iran and distance to the US, a full on annexing just wouldn't work.

Getting back on topic though, what would the blockade consist of? I'm thinking mostly frigates.

No need for annexation, that's delusional. Regime change and possibly partitioning would be a good idea. Stoking ethnic tensions could be a good idea. Arming Baloch and Kurdish separatists secretly and then coming in to rescue them when they inevitably get crushed by the IRGC.
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Postby The of Japan » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:45 am

Vistulange wrote:
The of Japan wrote:The USA wouldn't really need to land in Iran to damage it, they could just use their power to attack iran economically

I mean, the less you are integrated with a said country, the less means you have to economically damage it. The US potential to economically harm the European Union is, I'd wager, larger than its potential to harm the Iranian economy due to the fact that Iran has been much more isolated and ostracized from the global economy since 1979.

Iran is dependent on exporting oil, and the US can use its position in the financial sector to force foreign companies to stop doing buisness with iran or else.
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