Iran threatens to blockade the straits of Hormuz

[Thermodolia]

Nobody was expecting terrorism to rise to this degree, but even now, we've got it pretty much under control. We just need stronger Arab governments that will actually provide for their people AND have capable militaries. As of right now most Middle Eastern governments, especially the republics, are completely incompetent in terms of providing government services as well as having the absolute worst military doctrines in existence. Quite frankly, most Middle Eastern countries cannot do anything without the West. You'd think they might want to try to improve themselves.


This ties into my above point.

It doesn't really matter at this point. The entire Middle East is pretty fucked to begin with, so we might as well just put a US puppet in charge and see what happens. Give them democracy and Western values, and open them up to our media and businesses. Their military is one of the very few in the Middle East that can actually hold its own, so that's good for after we win. Still won't stand up to our's, but it'll stand up to terrorism. If we have Iran and Israel on our side, Russia will be effectively removed from the Middle East.

We tried to do this in Iraq. It failed miserably. Just look at it this way. Western values will not go down well with those people. Rebellion all the time. We saw it with Iraq. And Pakistan.

Because we should have installed one of Saddams goons instead of giving them democracy

[Azurius]

The best option if we have to go to war is to annex them. There, now they can be confident in the fact that we care for them because we actually will, and we won't have to worry about them anymore.

Like Vietnam you mean? Or how about Irak?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

If they do this, plz no Iraq war 2.

That will just fuck things up even more. About 10 years later, all the shit we did with ISIS will be done again.

History will repeat.

[Firaxin]

The best option if we have to go to war is to annex them. There, now they can be confident in the fact that we care for them because we actually will, and we won't have to worry about them anymore.

Like Vietnam you mean? Or how about Irak?

We didn't annex Vietnam or Iraq, wut?

[Thermodolia]

We just didn't have any strong figures to support, so extremists found their own strong figures to take charge instead.

If we were to try again, it would need to be slower, and more calculated rather than just straight fucking shit up.

We'd have to install a Pro-US figure that was also local, and respected by people across the nation. Then, slowly pull the military out, and push that figure in. It could take up to 30 years to make it stable.

Well ya. Rome wasn’t built in a day ya know.

[Frievolk]

The best option if we have to go to war is to annex them. There, now they can be confident in the fact that we care for them because we actually will, and we won't have to worry about them anymore.

The state of life in Puerto Rico, and Flint's water, (among other things) makes me not so sure about that.

[Azurius]

We tried to do this in Iraq. It failed miserably. Just look at it this way. Western values will not go down well with those people. Rebellion all the time. We saw it with Iraq. And Pakistan.

Because we should have installed one of Saddams goons instead of giving them democracy

No, because installing puppets is always a bad idea that easily backfires and never achieves any good or long lasting results, rather the opposite, decades of hatred, conflict and setbacks.

Look at the long and sad history of puppets by the US and the Soviets for that.

[Azurius]

Like Vietnam you mean? Or how about Irak?

We didn't annex Vietnam or Iraq, wut?

Nope matey.

[Baalkistann]

The best option if we have to go to war is to annex them. There, now they can be confident in the fact that we care for them because we actually will, and we won't have to worry about them anymore.

Like Vietnam you mean? Or how about Irak?

We did not annex Vietnam or Iraq

[Firaxin]

The best option if we have to go to war is to annex them. There, now they can be confident in the fact that we care for them because we actually will, and we won't have to worry about them anymore.

The state of life in Puerto Rico, and Flint's water, (among other things) makes me not so sure about that.

Grant them statehood or divide them into several states, problem solved.

[Firaxin]

We didn't annex Vietnam or Iraq, wut?

Nope matey.

[Frievolk]

The state of life in Puerto Rico, and Flint's water, (among other things) makes me not so sure about that.

Grant them statehood or divide them into several states, problem solved.

Flint is part of one of the US states. And I sincerely doubt the American Bureaucracy is well-oiled enough for that to happen any time soon. Beside, there's a reason nobody does any annexing at this point. Puppet states and Satellite governments are just easier to manage.

[Thermodolia]

That's not as easy as you seem to think. With Russia as an ally, Iran could last for a very long time, especially as Russia becomes more aggressive and influential, as it is now.

As an American, that would not happen, unless we were really fucked. It's different when you're taking about two major powers. As a Pole, we've had actually had this exact scenario happen to us. We also understand that we're stuck between two alliances so we chose the one that supported freedom, where our economy and people could prosper.

So what you are saying is that instead of simply diplomatically keeping Iran contained to its current sphere, we should straight-up invade it over a minor provocation and risk all-out nuclear war? The first World War began with the international response to the invasion of the tiny slavic nation of Serbia. How likely do you think it would be if a nuclear war between the US and Iran were to occur?

Nothing would happen in a nuclear war between us and Iran. Why? Because Iran hardly has any nukes, I don’t even think they have one.

[Frievolk]

So what you are saying is that instead of simply diplomatically keeping Iran contained to its current sphere, we should straight-up invade it over a minor provocation and risk all-out nuclear war? The first World War began with the international response to the invasion of the tiny slavic nation of Serbia. How likely do you think it would be if a nuclear war between the US and Iran were to occur?

Nothing would happen in a nuclear war between us and Iran. Why? Because Iran hardly has any nukes, I don’t even think they have one.

Iran doesn't have any ICBMs. The IRI probably does have low-range nukes strong enough to target local American bases or allies.

[Puldania]

Iran is doing what?
Oh, you mean Iran being Iran.

[Thermodolia]

If they do this, plz no Iraq war 2.

That will just fuck things up even more. About 10 years later, all the shit we did with ISIS will be done again.

History will repeat.

Or it won’t. Especially if we give the Iranians complete control over their affairs and just act as a security force

[The South Falls]

We tried to do this in Iraq. It failed miserably. Just look at it this way. Western values will not go down well with those people. Rebellion all the time. We saw it with Iraq. And Pakistan.

Because we should have installed one of Saddams goons instead of giving them democracy

No. The local people didn't like Saddam.

[Frievolk]

Because we should have installed one of Saddams goons instead of giving them democracy

No. The local people didn't like Saddam.

The Arab Majority did.

[Thermodolia]

Because we should have installed one of Saddams goons instead of giving them democracy

No, because installing puppets is always a bad idea that easily backfires and never achieves any good or long lasting results, rather the opposite, decades of hatred, conflict and setbacks.

Look at the long and sad history of puppets by the US and the Soviets for that.

A brutal pro American dictator in Iraq world have kept Isis under control and it never would have gotten as bad as it did.

But instead we tried to make them a peaceful democracy where no peaceful democracy can be.

[Thermodolia]

Nothing would happen in a nuclear war between us and Iran. Why? Because Iran hardly has any nukes, I don’t even think they have one.

Iran doesn't have any ICBMs. The IRI probably does have low-range nukes strong enough to target local American bases or allies.

But again not enough to actually do anything damaging to the US as we could literally flatten Iran with our weapons

[The South Falls]

No. The local people didn't like Saddam.

The Arab Majority did.

And anyway, I changed position. If we are forced to invade, get someone, make them a US puppet, and help the local people enough that it endears them to such a person.

[Thermodolia]

Because we should have installed one of Saddams goons instead of giving them democracy

No. The local people didn't like Saddam.

The majority did. Besides this wouldn’t be Saddam but one of his more pro American goons

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The best option if we have to go to war is to annex them. There, now they can be confident in the fact that we care for them because we actually will, and we won't have to worry about them anymore.

Except not really. They wouldn't care and resist anyway.

You would give them US citizenship, let them get into the mainland, and then start terrorizing the US as a Guerrilla warfare terrorism group.

Expect attacks like 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombing to be happening every three or four months as part of an Iran Independence movement. Hell, if they get there hands on the reborn Iran Nuke program, expect US cites to be destroyed.

It's not like independence programs from states already inside the US don't exist.

[Firaxin]

No, because installing puppets is always a bad idea that easily backfires and never achieves any good or long lasting results, rather the opposite, decades of hatred, conflict and setbacks.

Look at the long and sad history of puppets by the US and the Soviets for that.

A brutal pro American dictator in Iraq world have kept Isis under control and it never would have gotten as bad as it did.

But instead we tried to make them a peaceful democracy where no peaceful democracy can be.

Why can't a peaceful democracy be there?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

If they do this, plz no Iraq war 2.

That will just fuck things up even more. About 10 years later, all the shit we did with ISIS will be done again.

History will repeat.

Or it won’t. Especially if we give the Iranians complete control over their affairs and just act as a security force

That also doesn't work.