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Mystic Warriors wrote:

The Parkus Empire wrote:If it comes to war, a first strike on military targets with nuclear weapons would be the only sane option.

Are you guys really so terrified of nations being more powerful than the US you want to attack them? Would you do the same to India and the EU?

China is an autocracy that has committed genocide recently, and is trying to make the nations around it their tributary states.

Mystic Warriors wrote:

The Parkus Empire wrote:Demand for food will not outpace agricultural advancement

Yes it will. Notice you ignore the China own land in the USA comment.

That's because it assumes China is dependent on its land in the U.S.

She's absolutely right about this. Although in her case, I think she should have used the term "superpredators" to describe Chinese imperialism

Helensburgh wrote:She's absolutely right about this. Although in her case, I think she should have used the term "superpredators" to describe Chinese imperialism

That would just make conservatives defend China to spite her.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Not India because they're good boys that like Uncle Sam.

The same country that was in bed with the Russians for decades? That India?

Costa Fierro wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Not India because they're good boys that like Uncle Sam.

The same country that was in bed with the Russians for decades? That India?

Yes, they've been increasingly getting in bed with us.

Petrasylvania wrote:

Helensburgh wrote:She's absolutely right about this. Although in her case, I think she should have used the term "superpredators" to describe Chinese imperialism

That would just make conservatives defend China to spite her.

Exposing your belly to China, to own the libs.

Man, if only we had done something like craft a trade treaty that would have sought to curtail Chinese economic dominance. Tailored to deal with Southeast Asia amd the rest of the Pacific, as that is where they aim to expand. You know, a partnership that crossed the Pacific. I think I would call it the Trans Pacific Partnership, personally. Has a good ring to it.

The main reasons China is trying to take control of the South China Sea are a) it is the busiest shipping lane in the world due to its proximity to major ports such as Hong Kong and Singapore, so China can charge all shipping through the South China Sea, b) China has laid territorial claims to the area since the 1940s, and (edit) c) to take control of oil and natural gas reserves in the area

Woah, McCarthy. Canada doesn't have a 'fifth column'. What next? Purge all Chinese immigrants? This isn't 1953, y'all, this is 2018. China is a threat, but it's not literally everywhere. God! MY PEANUT BUTTER CAME FROM CHINA! GET IT OUT OF MY MOUTH!

The South Falls wrote:Woah, McCarthy. Canada doesn't have a 'fifth column'. What next? Purge all Chinese immigrants? This isn't 1953, y'all, this is 2018. China is a threat, but it's not literally everywhere. God! MY PEANUT BUTTER CAME FROM CHINA! GET IT OUT OF MY MOUTH!

Just look at the sticker on your computer saying where it was made...

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:

The South Falls wrote:Woah, McCarthy. Canada doesn't have a 'fifth column'. What next? Purge all Chinese immigrants? This isn't 1953, y'all, this is 2018. China is a threat, but it's not literally everywhere. God! MY PEANUT BUTTER CAME FROM CHINA! GET IT OUT OF MY MOUTH!

Just look at the sticker on your computer saying where it was made...

Oh shit! I need to burn it. It comes from China! My mouse from Taiwan!

The South Falls wrote:Woah, McCarthy. Canada doesn't have a 'fifth column'.

It literally does though, and this type of thinking will let them do the same thing to us.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

The South Falls wrote:Woah, McCarthy. Canada doesn't have a 'fifth column'.

It literally does though, and this type of thinking will let them do the same thing to us.

So you're saying to deal with it, be so suspicious. This is that "all russians are spies" mentality. "All chinese are spies" leads to prejudice, and large-scale expunging the Chinese. Not what we need.

The Parkus Empire wrote:

Mystic Warriors wrote:

Just say you are joking.

If it comes to war, a first strike on military targets with nuclear weapons would lead to us literally living the Fallout timeline.

ftfy

The South Falls wrote:Woah, McCarthy. Canada doesn't have a 'fifth column'. What next? Purge all Chinese immigrants? This isn't 1953, y'all, this is 2018. China is a threat, but it's not literally everywhere. God! MY PEANUT BUTTER CAME FROM CHINA! GET IT OUT OF MY MOUTH!

I can practically smell the Communism from my Chinese neighbors, spies and traitors the lot of them.

The South Falls wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It literally does though, and this type of thinking will let them do the same thing to us.

So you're saying to deal with it, be so suspicious. This is that "all russians are spies" mentality. "All chinese are spies" leads to prejudice, and large-scale expunging the Chinese. Not what we need.

Not all Chinese people, but a shockingly high number. They don't even need to be official spies, normal people who are simply more loyal to Beijing than their host country can present a massive problem.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

The South Falls wrote:So you're saying to deal with it, be so suspicious. This is that "all russians are spies" mentality. "All chinese are spies" leads to prejudice, and large-scale expunging the Chinese. Not what we need.

Not all Chinese people, but a shockingly high number. They don't even need to be official spies, normal people who are simply more loyal to Beijing than their host country can present a massive problem.

This mentality will only serve to encourage discrimination against Chinese people. This is literally the same mentality that drives Islamophobia.

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Not all Chinese people, but a shockingly high number. They don't even need to be official spies, normal people who are simply more loyal to Beijing than their host country can present a massive problem.

This mentality will only serve to encourage discrimination against Chinese people. This is literally the same mentality that drives Islamophobia.

And your mentality is the reason Canada is a total lost cause. China is playing the fuck out of the west and I have to respect them for it at least.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:This mentality will only serve to encourage discrimination against Chinese people. This is literally the same mentality that drives Islamophobia.

And your mentality is the reason Canada is a total lost cause. China is playing the fuck out of the west and I have to respect them for it at least.

Treating Chinese people as if most of them are actively spying for Beijing is exactly like treating Arabs as if most of them are members of ISIS.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

The South Falls wrote:So you're saying to deal with it, be so suspicious. This is that "all russians are spies" mentality. "All chinese are spies" leads to prejudice, and large-scale expunging the Chinese. Not what we need.

Not all Chinese people, but a shockingly high number. They don't even need to be official spies, normal people who are simply more loyal to Beijing than their host country can present a massive problem.

Yes because me and my husband want more problems

The Parkus Empire wrote:

Bolkenia wrote:China is evil and dangerous ?
As same as the USA. Because yeah, your country is also a really imperialist one trying to expand their influence with everything. Except it worked with the USA.

I am not saying they are evil and dangerous for being imperialist, but because they are a extreme and nightmarish totalitarian state on top of being imperialist

I lived in China for 2 years. While that was under Hu Jintao, and the current administration is worse, you are still completely full of shit. China is authoritarian, and the bureaucracy and the security guards EVERYWHERE get annoying, but it's not like 3rd Reich or North Korea levels of horrible. Life there is much more normal than what most Americans imagine. When I say most people there don't live in fear of the government in their day to day lives, I get moronic and unrealistic questions like, "How do you know they weren't just showing you the good parts of the country?" Well, because they weren't controlling my fucking movements. DUH!!!! It's not North Korea where they tell you where you can go and who you can talk to. The fact that people need to ask that sort of question just shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what China is actually like. There's a reason why North Koreans try to flee to China, but the reverse isn't an issue.

In some ways, China is a more pleasant social environment than the US because the people have not become demoralized and mopey the way Americans are. We could learn a lot from them culturally, about taking care of ourselves and coping with adversity.

The current tensions between the US and China would not be half as bad as they are if the US would just show some basic respect and stop spouting paranoid fantasies. Respect does not mean you can't keep an eye on what the Chinese are up to. Sometimes their government gets a little wonky, and you do need to keep an eye on it. This is true of other governments as well, including the US one, particularly with Trump in office. Some things shouldn't be contracted out to Chinese companies. But when people start talking about nukes, that's not funny and it's not right.

Xi and Trump are both crap leaders, and that's another big part of what's going wrong, but having a crap leader in office does not mean that the whole country is an irredeemable hellhole. Given how recently we had better leaders, we should not assume that the current crap leadership will continue indefinitely. It is not too late for things to calm back down, but we absolutely need better leadership in both countries.

USS Monitor wrote:

The Parkus Empire wrote:I am not saying they are evil and dangerous for being imperialist, but because they are a extreme and nightmarish totalitarian state on top of being imperialist

I lived in China for 2 years. While that was under Hu Jintao, and the current administration is worse, you are still completely full of shit. China is authoritarian, and the bureaucracy and the security guards EVERYWHERE get annoying, but it's not like 3rd Reich or North Korea levels of horrible. Life there is much more normal than what most Americans imagine. When I say most people there don't live in fear of the government in their day to day lives, I get moronic and unrealistic questions like, "How do you know they weren't just showing you the good parts of the country?" Well, because they weren't controlling my fucking movements. DUH!!!! It's not North Korea where they tell you where you can go and who you can talk to. The fact that people need to ask that sort of question just shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what China is actually like. There's a reason why North Koreans try to flee to China, but the reverse isn't an issue.

In some ways, China is a more pleasant social environment than the US because the people have not become demoralized and mopey the way Americans are. We could learn a lot from them culturally, about taking care of ourselves and coping with adversity.

The current tensions between the US and China would not be half as bad as they are if the US would just show some basic respect and stop spouting paranoid fantasies. Respect does not mean you can't keep an eye on what the Chinese are up to. Sometimes their government gets a little wonky, and you do need to keep an eye on it. This is true of other governments as well, including the US one, particularly with Trump in office. Some things shouldn't be contracted out to Chinese companies. But when people start talking about nukes, that's not funny and it's not right.

Xi and Trump are both crap leaders, and that's another big part of what's going wrong, but having a crap leader in office does not mean that the whole country is an irredeemable hellhole. Given how recently we had better leaders, we should not assume that the current crap leadership will continue indefinitely. It is not too late for things to calm back down, but we absolutely need better leadership in both countries.

Frankly, I think you've mostly hit the nail on the head, but I think it's worth emphasizing nonetheless that China is substantially more authoritarian than the US, to the point where trampling over individual rights often isn't even given a second thought.

I could list multiple examples of this, but I think the treatment of Falun Gong practitioners best exemplifies this atmosphere and way of doing things in China. When you treat a segment of your population as literal meatbags for organ harvesting, I think it's safe to say that 'totalitarian' isn't a misapplied label.

It's also worth noting that, yes, China is 100% pursuing its own global pursuits to the detriment of other nations, and has been doing this for the better part of half a century. Its interests in East Africa, Southeast Asia and elsewhere have been expanding for quite some time, and unlike the US, it doesn't even pretend to care about human rights while doing so.

Petrasylvania wrote:

Galloism wrote:There seems to be a global battle for world disgust between her and Donald Trump. Can't she just go away and let us all forget that 2016 ever happened, preferably by drowning our sorrows in excessive quantities of liquor?

Seriously, there's got to be SOMEONE else on the Democratic side who can point out the threat of China besides Hillary.

Even when she stays quiet Donnie has to keep talking about her at his masturbation rallies, so what difference does it make to her?

Well I wish he'd shut up about her too. She didn't win. Time to move on.

Galloism wrote:

Petrasylvania wrote:Even when she stays quiet Donnie has to keep talking about her at his masturbation rallies, so what difference does it make to her?

Well I wish he'd shut up about her too. She didn't win. Time to move on.

Trump is in Al Bundy Mode, always talking about the time he scored four touchdowns in a single game because everything else is a farce.