Hillary Clinton says China's power grab 'a new global battle

[Washington Resistance Army]

This is one of those rare times when she's entirely correct.

Every time you see Trump giving ZTE a free pass and letting China worm deeper into our networks, remember you chose this future.

It's not like Clinton would have done much to stop it either. We need a new Chinese Exclusion Act tbqh.

Canada is still a bastion of peace, love, and moose. China hasn't infiltrated yet. China is in league with Russia, too.

Yeah and that bastion of peace and love doesn't mean shit because the Chinese have infiltrated Canadian society at near every level and they're now dealing with a significant fifth column that is loyal to Beijing, not Ottawa. Shame that when people up north pointed this out they got shouted down for being racists, China played their hand well.

[Second Empire of America]

Oh anon, China is getting up to all sorts of shit. They've infiltrated our northern brethren to such a degree that I believe we don't even share valuable intelligence with them anymore.



Hmmmmm

No

Canada is still a bastion of peace, love, and moose. China hasn't infiltrated yet. China is in league with Russia, too.

Speaking of Russia, China is the lesser of two evils compared to them. Although EU (or USA) aligned governments would be preferable when possible, I'd much rather have Jinping rule over me than Putin.

[Napkiraly]

Oh remember this and I remember how apeshit the biased New Zealand media went for Hillary where she came.

From New Zealand's perspective, it really doesn't matter: Both China and the US are trying to gain control of the country's resources and industry, and both countries have had a very negative impact on New Zealand as a result.

I have a cultural and political preference for America, but objectively speaking both countries are as bad as each other when it comes to their influence on New Zealand.

America will always allow you guys to shitsling against them to some extent. The Chinese, once their tentacles are firmly established, wont. They are not in the same league at all.

[Napkiraly]

Oh anon, China is getting up to all sorts of shit. They've infiltrated our northern brethren to such a degree that I believe we don't even share valuable intelligence with them anymore.



Hmmmmm

No

Canada is still a bastion of peace, love, and moose. China hasn't infiltrated yet. China is in league with Russia, too.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Napkiraly]

Every time you see Trump giving ZTE a free pass and letting China worm deeper into our networks, remember you chose this future.

It's not like Clinton would have done much to stop it either. We need a new Chinese Exclusion Act tbqh.

Canada is still a bastion of peace, love, and moose. China hasn't infiltrated yet. China is in league with Russia, too.

Yeah and that bastion of peace and love doesn't mean shit because the Chinese have infiltrated Canadian society at near every level and they're now dealing with a significant fifth column that is loyal to Beijing, not Ottawa. Shame that when people up north pointed this out they got shouted down for being racists, China played their hand well.

It extends to the highest levels now. We've been reversing blocks on Chinese investments and buyouts of Canadian companies that were originally deemed to be security threats. Also I have no doubts that John McCallum can be referred to as "Our Man in Ottawa" by the PRC.

[Vassenor]

There seems to be a global battle for world disgust between her and Donald Trump. Can't she just go away and let us all forget that 2016 ever happened, preferably by drowning our sorrows in excessive quantities of liquor?

Seriously, there's got to be SOMEONE else on the Democratic side who can point out the threat of China besides Hillary.

I don't recall anyone demanding that Kerry, McCain or Romney disappear from the political stage after losing the election.

[Galloism]

There seems to be a global battle for world disgust between her and Donald Trump. Can't she just go away and let us all forget that 2016 ever happened, preferably by drowning our sorrows in excessive quantities of liquor?

Seriously, there's got to be SOMEONE else on the Democratic side who can point out the threat of China besides Hillary.

I don't recall anyone demanding that Kerry, McCain or Romney disappear from the political stage after losing the election.

Because they did for a long time. Except McCain, but he was still in Congress.

Romney reappeared when Donald Trump started running for president, but he disappeared for a while.

[Hirota]

There seems to be a global battle for world disgust between her and Donald Trump. Can't she just go away and let us all forget that 2016 ever happened, preferably by drowning our sorrows in excessive quantities of liquor?

Seriously, there's got to be SOMEONE else on the Democratic side who can point out the threat of China besides Hillary.

In fariness to her, like Vass pointed out, it's not like other losing candidates disappeared from the political map. Speaking engagements (which is what this sounds like) are fairly standard once a life of politics is effectively over - look at Al Gore for an example.

I'd point to the media obsessing over her more than anything as the cause for your irritation.

That said, I do find it amusing that a former secretary of state of the US government is moaning about a superpower meddling in other countries affairs.

[-United Republic of Freedonia]

Clinton is to me is a "meh, as long doesn't take the seat i'm ok". In the case of China, unlike Russia which it cannot project power outside Eurasia, China is a monster to my eyes, better 'murica get his shit together now

Oh anon, China is getting up to all sorts of shit. They've infiltrated our northern brethren to such a degree that I believe we don't even share valuable intelligence with them anymore.

FUCKING DAMNIT, CNN TOLD ME THAT TRUMP WAS GOING TO INVADE CANADA AFTER WINNIN' THE ELECTION AND THEN HE DIDN'T

I FEEL LIED, FUCK

[Galloism]

There seems to be a global battle for world disgust between her and Donald Trump. Can't she just go away and let us all forget that 2016 ever happened, preferably by drowning our sorrows in excessive quantities of liquor?

Seriously, there's got to be SOMEONE else on the Democratic side who can point out the threat of China besides Hillary.

In fariness to her, like Vass pointed out, it's not like other losing candidates disappeared from the political map. Speaking engagements (which is what this sounds like) are fairly standard once a life of politics is effectively over - look at Al Gore for an example.

I'd point to the media obsessing over her more than anything as the cause for your irritation.

Probably.

When Al Gore lost, we didn't hear from him for a while. When McCain lost, we didn't hear all that much about him for a while (although he never truly disappeared). When Romney lost, he dropped off the face of the map as far as the media is concerned, and didn't reappear until he denounced Donald Trump.

[Senkaku]

In fariness to her, like Vass pointed out, it's not like other losing candidates disappeared from the political map. Speaking engagements (which is what this sounds like) are fairly standard once a life of politics is effectively over - look at Al Gore for an example.

I'd point to the media obsessing over her more than anything as the cause for your irritation.

Probably.

When Al Gore lost, we didn't hear from him for a while. When McCain lost, we didn't hear all that much about him for a while (although he never truly disappeared). When Romney lost, he dropped off the face of the map as far as the media is concerned, and didn't reappear until he denounced Donald Trump.

It's not really like we're hearing tons and tons from Hillary. People just find her more annoying when they do hear about her. She's hardly making a spectacle of herself.

[Costa Fierro]

Oh remember this and I remember how apeshit the biased New Zealand media went for Hillary where she came.

From New Zealand's perspective, it really doesn't matter: Both China and the US are trying to gain control of the country's resources and industry, and both countries have had a very negative impact on New Zealand as a result.

I have a cultural and political preference for America, but objectively speaking both countries are as bad as each other when it comes to their influence on New Zealand.

Ideally we'd play each other off, but even we have our own strategic interests and influences in the Pacific. Chinese influence is growing right in America's backyard and while everyone's focused on Asia, Beijing could easily be building ports and air strips in places like Fiji, whose government is very much in Beijing's pocket. That is a concern for us and it should be a concern for the US, given they still have territories in the Pacific Islands.

The problem is this: how best can we rely on the United States as a supposed friend?

[Costa Fierro]

America will always allow you guys to shitsling against them to some extent.

Not really. In order to be in America's good books, we have to be malleable to their interests and that is, historically, something we haven't really done. We took a stand on the nuclear issue in the 1980's that effectively ended good military relations with the United States to the point that the US Navy only lifted a ban on vessels from the RNZN in Pearl Harbour in 2014.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

"It was a theme she had
On a scheme he had
Told in a foreign land
To take life on earth
To the second birth
And the man was in command
It was a flight on the wings
Of a young girl's dreams
That flew too far away

Don't push too far your dreams are china in your hand
Don't wish too hard because they may come true
And you can't help them
You don't know what you might have set upon yourself
China in your hand"

[Costa Fierro]

*shrugs*, the US has dominated the world in often horrific fashion for some time now. That doesn't make China any better, but it does certainly mean that it's not our place to decide how to deal with them for Australia and New Zealand. And it certainly takes away any credibility Hillary Clinton would have as a defender of anyone with her support and involvement in many of those acts over the past couple of decades.

It would be nice to know that at least someone gives a shit about this side of the world.

Sure, Aussies and Kiwis should probably be on alert for China's aims in this regard, but the solution to them shouldn't involve the US attempting to do the same thing to them for us.

Then what is the solution?

[Western-Ukraine]

Clinton is absolutely right. China isn't culturally or ideologically related to us, so it must be stopped. The US isn't that much better, but I'll much rather have the Americans than the Chinese or Russians around. Chinese and Russian people are as fine as any, as long as they stay out of here.

[Mystic Warriors]

Yeah and that bastion of peace and love doesn't mean shit because the Chinese have infiltrated Canadian society at near every level and they're now dealing with a significant fifth column that is loyal to Beijing, not Ottawa. Shame that when people up north pointed this out they got shouted down for being racists, China played their hand well.

Mind proving any of this?

[Aeken]

I think the Chinese will win. Quite unfortunate.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yeah and that bastion of peace and love doesn't mean shit because the Chinese have infiltrated Canadian society at near every level and they're now dealing with a significant fifth column that is loyal to Beijing, not Ottawa. Shame that when people up north pointed this out they got shouted down for being racists, China played their hand well.

Mind proving any of this?

Chinese spy networks, politicians under foreign sway (that article also has a nice little bit about the PRC organizing groups on university campuses to demonstrate for things that Beijing wants), like Nap said up there the Chinese have also been pushing the economic side of things and trying to buy up Canadian companies etc etc. TEM (The East Marches 2) has all sorts of stuff on this topic if you want to hit him up about it because he can probably give you far more than I.

[Cetacea]

Oh remember this and I remember how apeshit the biased New Zealand media went for Hillary where she came.

From New Zealand's perspective, it really doesn't matter: Both China and the US are trying to gain control of the country's resources and industry, and both countries have had a very negative impact on New Zealand as a result.

I have a cultural and political preference for America, but objectively speaking both countries are as bad as each other when it comes to their influence on New Zealand.

Ideally we'd play each other off, but even we have our own strategic interests and influences in the Pacific. Chinese influence is growing right in America's backyard and while everyone's focused on Asia, Beijing could easily be building ports and air strips in places like Fiji, whose government is very much in Beijing's pocket. That is a concern for us and it should be a concern for the US, given they still have territories in the Pacific Islands.

The problem is this: how best can we rely on the United States as a supposed friend?

The great thing about New Zealand is there is nothing of any great startegic importance, which means actually invading just isnt worth the effort. So even if the Chinese do decide to put an air strip in Fiji, its still going to be aimed at the US or at a stretch maybe Australia.

any threat to New Zealand is caused by its alliance with the US provoking the minor crazies of the world. China is going to dominate the economy but as China is already buying up all NZ and Australian farmland it maybe too late to do anything other than collect all of that sweet export milk solid payments

[Costa Fierro]

The great thing about New Zealand is there is nothing of any great startegic importance, which means actually invading just isnt worth the effort. So even if the Chinese do decide to put an air strip in Fiji, its still going to be aimed at the US or at a stretch maybe Australia.

Of course. But we're still going to be affected by it because the United States will look to its friends and aligned states in the region if a stand of occurs. Not only that, China doesn't have to threaten us directly in order for us to reconsider certain positions. All it has to do is threaten our exports and our government is suddenly faced with thousands of angry and out of pocket farmers bearing down on the Beehive because Beijing placed restrictions on milk imports, for example.

any threat to New Zealand is caused by its alliance with the US provoking the minor crazies of the world. China is going to dominate the economy but as China is already buying up all NZ and Australian farmland it maybe too late to do anything other than collect all of that sweet export milk solid payments

Not really. The government could actually grow a spine and not sell of vast chunks of our land to overseas landlords.

[Mystic Warriors]

China is taking over, deal with it as you can't change it or fight it.

[The Parkus Empire]

China is taking over, deal with it as you can't change it or fight it.

We'll deal with it like Spartans and not surrender.

[Mystic Warriors]

China is taking over, deal with it as you can't change it or fight it.

We'll deal with it like Spartans and not surrender.

The USA is losing power so you want war with any who oppose it? Like everybody is just supposed to be beneath us and never rise? That is scary and that type of thinking has caused countless problems.

[Washington Resistance Army]

China is taking over, deal with it as you can't change it or fight it.

A nuclear first strike could very quickly change it.