A Judeo-Christian Nation?

[Anti-Social Darwinism]

This person takes issue with Obama stating that we are not a Judeo-Christian nation. Though I am neither Jew nor Christian, I do too. I just don't believe that the President of the US has the right to make a blanket statement concerning the beliefs and values of an entire nation.

Personally, I think this person is an idiot. But then, I'm beginning to think that OBama is, perhaps, not as bright as I once did. I'm beginning to think that he'll tell people what they want to hear, regardless of whether it's true or not - but then, he's a politician and the definition of politician is liar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpQOCvthw-o

[Conserative Morality]

Depends if he's talking culturally, or who founded this nation.

[Buffett and Colbert]

This person takes issue with Obama stating that we are not a Judeo-Christian nation. Though I am neither Jew nor Christian, I do too. I just don't believe that the President of the US has the right to make a blanket statement concerning the beliefs and values of an entire nation.

Personally, I think this person is an idiot. But then, I'm beginning to think that OBama is, perhaps, not as bright as I once did. I'm beginning to think that he'll tell people what they want to hear, regardless of whether it's true or not - but then, he's a politician and the definition of politician is liar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpQOCvthw-o

If he said what everybody wanted to hear, he would have told us America accepted all religions but you'd be better off if you were Christian.

[Khadgar]

"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

Treaty of Tripoli November 4 1796 as signed by President John Adams.

[Sarkhaan]

We aren't. Our laws aren't from the Judeo-Christian tradition, and our people aren't all Jews and Christians. So legally and culturally, we aren't. Certainly some people are, but on the whole, we aren't.

[Bottle]

The US isn't a Judeo-Christian nation. It never has been.

Yes, ever since European Christians colonized this land and slaughtered the indigenous population, the majority of people living here have belonged to one of the Judeo-Christian faiths. But that doesn't make us a Judeo-Christian nation, any more than the fact that the majority of our population is white makes us a White Nation.

I mean, if you think about it, the Founder went way the hell out of their way to make it very clear that this nation does not have any specific "religious orientation." They put more time and energy into making our government explicitly secular than they put into making sure that black people were recognized as citizens.

[The Tofu Islands]

Whoever wrote the treaty of Tripoli got there first.

EDIT: Aww. Khadgar beat me to it.

[Phenia]

This nationstate - the United States of America - has a secular government and secular law and a multi-cultural society with a great variety of religious beliefs, not just Jewish, not just Christian, but Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist and every other religion believed in this country by anyone. There is no official religion and in fact freedom of religion.

We are not a Judeo-Christian nation any more than a Judeo-Christian-Islamic nation or a Buddhist-atheist-Catholic-Baptist nation.

[Buffett and Colbert]

And what's there to gain from being a Judeo-Christian nation anyway? We have millions of people who are neither. Is Forbes saying that they are not important? Sure sounds like it.

EDIT- Oh and it was pretty annoying how he just essentially played a house of cards and even some of his examples were taken out of context!

[The Cat-Tribe]

This person takes issue with Obama stating that we are not a Judeo-Christian nation. Though I am neither Jew nor Christian, I do too. I just don't believe that the President of the US has the right to make a blanket statement concerning the beliefs and values of an entire nation.

Personally, I think this person is an idiot. But then, I'm beginning to think that OBama is, perhaps, not as bright as I once did. I'm beginning to think that he'll tell people what they want to hear, regardless of whether it's true or not - but then, he's a politician and the definition of politician is liar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpQOCvthw-o

What President Obama actually said:

I think that where -- where there's the most promise of building stronger U.S.-Turkish relations is in the recognition that Turkey and the United States can build a model partnership in which a predominantly Christian nation and a predominantly Muslim nation, a Western nation and a nation that straddles two continents -- that we can create a modern international community that is respectful, that is secure, that is prosperous; that there are not tensions, inevitable tensions, between cultures, which I think is extraordinarily important.

That's something that's very important to me. And I've said before that one of the great strengths of the United States is -- although as I mentioned, we have a very large Christian population, we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation; we consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values.

What about that last sentence makes a false statement about the beliefs and values of our nation?

And, yes, Rep. Forbes is a complete idiot. We have never been a "Judeo-Christian nation" -- whatever the hell that means. Our nation was created with a deliberately secular government that values religious freedom.

[The Cat-Tribe]

Depends if he's talking culturally, or who founded this nation.

Under which would be be a "Judeo-Christian nation"?

[Maurepas]

Um...this country isnt a Judeo-Christian Nation...Obama is right, saying it was would be Unconstitutional, we are a Secular Nation that allows its citizens to be whatever they want...

I applaud the President's comments...

[Conserative Morality]

Under which would be be a "Judeo-Christian nation"?

Upon reflection, neither, although we have taken a few Judeo-Christian influences in our culture, I wouldn't say that we were. I blame the reduced quality of my posts on the Communists.

[UNIverseVERSE]

Upon reflection, neither, although we have taken a few Judeo-Christian influences in our culture, I wouldn't say that we were. I blame the reduced quality of my posts on the Communists.

Scapegoats for everything, I tell you. How we are supposed to plan the glorious revolution when we keep getting hauled up in court because someone blamed us for their traffic ticket, I don't know.

[Conserative Morality]

Scapegoats for everything, I tell you. How we are supposed to plan the glorious revolution when we keep getting hauled up in court because someone blamed us for their traffic ticket, I don't know.

You know, you could always blame the fact that everyone blames the Communists on the Communists.

[UNIverseVERSE]

You know, you could always blame the fact that everyone blames the Communists on the Communists.

To steal a line from Ian Stewart, that is almost Platonic in its perfect circularity.

[Autumn Wind]

I love the use of the phrase "Judeo-Christian."

It makes them sound more intellectual than just "Christian" which is what they actually want to say.



Is Judeo-Christian values a combination of "Death to Amelekites" and "Love your neighbors?"

[Osgarna]

I love the use of the phrase "Judeo-Christian."

It makes them sound more intellectual than just "Christian" which is what they actually want to say.



Is Judeo-Christian values a combination of "Death to Amelekites" and "Love your neighbors?"

Yeah, you've got to go to the Torah for all the fire and brimstone, which is what fundies really want.

[Letat]

This person takes issue with Obama stating that we are not a Judeo-Christian nation. Though I am neither Jew nor Christian, I do too. I just don't believe that the President of the US has the right to make a blanket statement concerning the beliefs and values of an entire nation.

Personally, I think this person is an idiot. But then, I'm beginning to think that OBama is, perhaps, not as bright as I once did. I'm beginning to think that he'll tell people what they want to hear, regardless of whether it's true or not - but then, he's a politician and the definition of politician is liar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpQOCvthw-o

So should he say that the nation is Judeo-Christian? That would seem unfair to those of us who do not subscribe to those faiths. Or should he say nothing on the topic at all?

Further: What precisely is a Judeo-Christian nation? How are our values formed by Christianity more than Enlightenment-era secularism?

[Maurepas]

So should he say that the nation is Judeo-Christian? That would seem unfair to those of us who do not subscribe to those faiths. Or should he say nothing on the topic at all?

Further: What precisely is a Judeo-Christian nation? How are our values formed by Christianity more than Enlightenment-era secularism?

Well, the short, yet correct answer is, Yes, and theyre not,

[Osgarna]

So should he say that the nation is Judeo-Christian? That would seem unfair to those of us who do not subscribe to those faiths. Or should he say nothing on the topic at all?

Further: What precisely is a Judeo-Christian nation? How are our values formed by Christianity more than Enlightenment-era secularism?

Well, the short, yet correct answer is, Yes, and theyre not,

He should say that the US is a Judeo-Christian nation? Personally I find that mildly offensive, being neither Jewish nor Christian but still an American. Or did you mean say nothing about it at all? That hardly seems appropriate considering he needs to repair the damage from all of Bush's talk of "crusades" and things like that.

[Uiri]

I love the use of the phrase "Judeo-Christian."

It makes them sound more intellectual than just "Christian" which is what they actually want to say.



Is Judeo-Christian values a combination of "Death to Amelekites" and "Love your neighbors?"

Yeah, you've got to go to the Torah for all the fire and brimstone, which is what fundies really want.

Torah = Old Testament of the Bible.

[Osgarna]

I love the use of the phrase "Judeo-Christian."

It makes them sound more intellectual than just "Christian" which is what they actually want to say.



Is Judeo-Christian values a combination of "Death to Amelekites" and "Love your neighbors?"

Yeah, you've got to go to the Torah for all the fire and brimstone, which is what fundies really want.

Torah = Old Testament of the Bible.

Yes yes, I know. Seeing as we were talking about what the Jewish parts bring in though ("Death to Amelekites" and all that), and since the New Testament mostly contradicts the teachings of the Old, changing "eye for an eye" to forgiveness and such, I figured I'd use the name that the Jews call it by.

[Maurepas]

Or did you mean say nothing about it at all? That hardly seems appropriate considering he needs to repair the damage from all of Bush's talk of "crusades" and things like that.

I meant he needs to say nothing at all...

As in, there is no religion that is the basis of this nation...Its that statement that needs to be emphasized, imo...

Sorry if I confused or offended you, like I said, it was the short answer,

[Greed and Death]

Just as he said Obama has the right to say what he said I will mention Mr. Forbes has the right to say what he said.

However I find Mr. Forbes to be taking Obama out of context, and interfering in diplomacy and national security measures areas traditionally given to the president.
So Mr. Forbes please leave it alone.

Understand the context Turkey is a predominantly Muslim nation with a history of secularism in its laws and policies.
The US is predominantly Christian nation with a history of secularism in its laws and politics.