U.S. may effectively leave WTO

[Vassenor]

Oh yeah? I'd remake it into a technocratic neoliberal country that the Economist would fawn over in their opinion pieces.

The military officers, cops and armed civilians would be on our side mostly, so good luck

[citation needed]

[Oil exporting People]

If this nation collapsed, we would remake it to be very far right.

Because it's not like there was a war that lead to far-right views being established to be anti-American or something about seventy years ago.

> societal opinions are static

Why Vass, when did you come to the conclusion you're a social conservative?

[The Parkus Empire]

The military officers, cops and armed civilians would be on our side mostly, so good luck

[citation needed]

I'm sure that will sway them.

[The Parkus Empire]

If this nation collapsed, we would remake it to be very far right.

Because it's not like there was a war that lead to far-right views being established to be anti-American or something about seventy years ago.

I'm pretty sure HUAC was concerned with far left views.

[Uxupox]

[citation needed]

I'm sure that will sway them.

You are not wrong tbh. armytimes, miltimes, sofrep, stripes and task&purpose do align with what you stated.

[Christmas Pudding]

We should probably stop the "I want the country to collapse/the military leans conservative so when the next civil war starts we're gonna outshoot the liberals" thread jack.

[The Parkus Empire]

We should probably stop the "I want the country to collapse/the military leans conservative so when the next civil war starts we're gonna outshoot the liberals" thread jack.

Tfw Trump threadjacked the entire country.

[Christmas Pudding]

We should probably stop the "I want the country to collapse/the military leans conservative so when the next civil war starts we're gonna outshoot the liberals" thread jack.

Tfw Trump threadjacked the entire country.

I still blame all of this on Newt Gingrich, ultimately. He wrote the playbook for today's toxic partisans.

Though in fairness to Gingrich, he was really the culmination of a trend that began in the 1970s.

[The Parkus Empire]

Tfw Trump threadjacked the entire country.

I still blame all of this on Newt Gingrich, ultimately. He wrote the playbook for today's toxic partisans.

Though in fairness to Gingrich, he was really the culmination of a trend that began in the 1970s.

Liberal definition of "toxic": not being a wittol.

[Christmas Pudding]

I still blame all of this on Newt Gingrich, ultimately. He wrote the playbook for today's toxic partisans.

Though in fairness to Gingrich, he was really the culmination of a trend that began in the 1970s.

Liberal definition of "toxic": not being a wittol.

Are you talking about Gingrich's multiple affairs and divorces?

[The Parkus Empire]

Liberal definition of "toxic": not being a wittol.

Are you talking about Gingrich's multiple affairs and divorces?

I'm more Pat Buchanan

[Mystic Warriors]

Btw, I want this nation to collapse. Is needed to wake people up to how dangerous the right wing has become.

If this nation collapsed, we would remake it to be very far right.

No we would not. It would be left because the right would take the hit for it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

If this nation collapsed, we would remake it to be very far right.

No we would not. It would be left because the right would take the hit for it.

We almost certainly would because the right is far more armed and would just take over if it collapsed.

[Mystic Warriors]

No we would not. It would be left because the right would take the hit for it.

We almost certainly would because the right is far more armed and would just take over if it collapsed.

Thats just what conservatives tell themselves. The left is far better armed than you think.

[Washington Resistance Army]

We almost certainly would because the right is far more armed and would just take over if it collapsed.

Thats just what conservatives tell themselves. The left is far better armed than you think.

Literally all the evidence disagrees. I don't disagree that groups that historically don't own arms are starting to but white men who are right wingers are still by far the most well armed group in the country.

Shit just the right wing gun owners on this website alone have enough weaponry to arm a small battalion.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Thats just what conservatives tell themselves. The left is far better armed than you think.

Literally all the evidence disagrees. I don't disagree that groups that historically don't own arms are starting to but white men who are right wingers are still by far the most well armed group in the country.

Shit just the right wing gun owners on this website alone have enough weaponry to arm a small battalion.

Moderates have guns too...

[Mystic Warriors]

Literally all the evidence disagrees. I don't disagree that groups that historically don't own arms are starting to but white men who are right wingers are still by far the most well armed group in the country.

Shit just the right wing gun owners on this website alone have enough weaponry to arm a small battalion.

Moderates have guns too...

True. Also most guns are in in the hands of the minority of the population. Most polls have only 30% of the nation owning a gun and most of the guns are in a small portion of the nation. Liberals of course don't brag about owning one.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Literally all the evidence disagrees. I don't disagree that groups that historically don't own arms are starting to but white men who are right wingers are still by far the most well armed group in the country.

Shit just the right wing gun owners on this website alone have enough weaponry to arm a small battalion.

Moderates have guns too...

They do, but again it has very consistently been right wing men who own most of the weaponry. Superowners I believe is the term someone came up with to describe it.

[Hurdergaryp]

Moderates have guns too...

They do, but again it has very consistently been right wing men who own most of the weaponry. Superowners I believe is the term someone came up with to describe it.

Sounds like a flattering description for those people who own not just a few guns, but an actual arsenal.

[The Parkus Empire]

They do, but again it has very consistently been right wing men who own most of the weaponry. Superowners I believe is the term someone came up with to describe it.

Sounds like a flattering description for those people who own not just a few guns, but an actual arsenal.

To make sure the census taker knows: there is no Sarah Connor here.

[Azurius]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_o ... ted_States


Exports $1.57 trillion (2017) vs. Imports $2.35 trillion (2017)


Main export partners:

European Union 18.7%

China 8%


Main import partners

China 21.4%

European Union 18.9%

Takes no Einstein to see who would win that tariff war and in no time as well and it certainly won´t be the USA.

So yeah, slap America with tariffs until they come down from their high horse! Who needs american products anyway? Certainly not me.

I was always also for abolishing the dollar standard as well, let nations or unions trade in their own currencies. I still fail to see why America should get a small bulk of each global transaction only because a global dollar standard exists. And when I remember correctly China and Russia wanted to do the same back then already, well, maybe Europe will wake up an join them, it would benefit us if we could trade in our own euro.

You're economically illiterate, to say the least. First and foremost, the fact we import more is a solid advantage to us, given that means we have fewer products exposed to tariffs and they have more; tariffs hit them much harder. Further, you need to look up exports as % of GDP. In that regard, exports only constitute 11% of U.S. GDP but 40% for Germany and 23% for China. In other words, tariffs hurt their economy far more than it ever will ours.

Sooo let me get that straight:

Since you import more, and we put tariffs on our exports for our products you are dependant on and still need to buy, these tariffs on our products that go to us and not to you, somehow and just by sheer magic end up benefiting you? Okay lmao. Makes a lot of logical sense, why then even bring the argument that you guys export more and therefore tariffs would benefit you? xD Self contradiction a bit? Only a bit...

I must say Trump fan boys really never cease to amaze me.

Go and do your shit is all I say, you´ll soon see what you´ll get from it because retaliation from our side is not gonna take long

[Azurius]

Yeah well its clear that the concept of "returning the party to its principles" is a highly subjective idea. The free market and pro-business wing of the GOP is likely to argue that Trump's protectionist stance is moving the party away from its principles, and I suspect there are many GOP supporters who feel that way. Personally, I'd be much more willing to support the GOP right now if they were less protectionist and more in favour of free market principles, including supporting international free trade

Yeah, I am not going to support rolling over to China. If you want to vote for wittols, look elsewhere

The entire fucking WORLD already rolled over to your side with the dollar standard rofl.

If you want the authority to point fingers at countries like China, remove your own global dollar standard first and let us trade in our own currencies. Then we will think about supporting your destructive nonsense with China.

[Azurius]

And if Trump does that he will seal the ruin of US influence.

A fourth of the Global economy and 10 Carriers says otherwise.

We built said infrastructure to fight the Cold War by containing Soviet influence; we're now almost 30 years since the Berlin Wall came down and it's time to construct a new order. Nor do we benefit from foreign trade, which is the entire reason we have a trade deficit. Yes, we get cheap shit, but on the whole we're not getting wealthy off and the stats reflect this. Exports only provide 11% of GDP, for example.

And another fourth belongs to China, and yet another fourth belongs to us here in Europe. And to top it off, most of your income is based on earnings from the dollar standard and otherwise cheap oil, hence your own exports of course lack. How logically else can a country with a constant trade deficit become an economic superpower? There is your answer why your products and exports both suck. Good morning mister America and nice that you finaly notice the other 2 equally big players around you that actually unlike you leeches built their economic success themselves. Something that clearly shows off in imports and exports.

If you don´t benefit MASSIVELY from foreign trade then why was Obama up in arms as China and Russia wanted to remove the dollarstandard in their nations? Because Obama who was at least smart unlike Trump, knew that if especially China removed the dollar standard Chinas economy would see yet another massive boost whilst the American economy would receive a heavy blow. Which is why he pulled all measures to ensure the dollar standard stays.

But nice try to twist around the economic reality and make it look like you are the victims. Typical fascist talk... victim mentality 101 at work again.

[Azurius]

A fourth of the Global economy and 10 Carriers says otherwise.



We built said infrastructure to fight the Cold War by containing Soviet influence; we're now almost 30 years since the Berlin Wall came down and it's time to construct a new order. Nor do we benefit from foreign trade, which is the entire reason we have a trade deficit. Yes, we get cheap shit, but on the whole we're not getting wealthy off and the stats reflect this. Exports only provide 11% of GDP, for example.

Money and warships don’t equal influence. After all, a small despotic nation like North Korea is still able to resist US influence.

Yeah, it’s not like Russia is a resurgent threat, attempting to reassert control over regional affairs, or like China is attempting to challange the US hegemony and put itself on top...

Right, because access to 96% of global consumers is such a terrible thing, it’s better to restrict US companies to the 4% that live within the USA. Right? It’s not like near every computer on earth run on Intel or AMD microchips.

I hope you realize that most of Intel´s and AMD´s stuff is not only manufactured, but often even developed outside of the US? Many of that already takes place since decades in Europe and also Asia. America by today pretty much just owns the majority of it including the seat and does the marketing. Actual production and development often take place in other countries.

[Ceranapis]

The US is not going to leave the WTO. The treaty was ratified by congress, and therefore Congress would need to agree to the US leaving, and there's not sufficient congressional support for that.

And good thing too, because the WTO is an important organization in the worldwide promotion of free trade.