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Anti Macron phone ban twitter page established

Postby Anarcitopianchillstate » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:32 pm

The creator of the now defunct Chillstate union (the former states have now either been invaded by Moragona or turned into independent nations) has started this twitter page in reaction to the anti mobile policies (in schools) of France's Macron government. International reactions below
https://twitter.com/nophoneban

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:38 pm

Anarcitopianchillstate wrote:The creator of the now defunct Chillstate union (the former states have now either been invaded by Moragona or turned into independent nations) has started this twitter page in reaction to the anti mobile policies (in schools) of France's Macron government. International reactions below
https://twitter.com/nophoneban

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Postby Olerand » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:43 pm

:lol2:

What?
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Postby Anarcitopianchillstate » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:47 pm

Read the twitter page to find out why this authoritarian plan matters

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Postby Olerand » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:49 pm

Anarcitopianchillstate wrote:Read the twitter page to find out why this authoritarian plan matters

... It doesn't. I believe you are supposed to give your opinion in the OP as well. Not just a public service announcement.

Also, the Minister of National Education's name is Jean-Michel Blanquer, not Jean Miquel Blanqour.
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Postby Anarcitopianchillstate » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:52 pm

Olerand wrote:
Anarcitopianchillstate wrote:Read the twitter page to find out why this authoritarian plan matters

... It doesn't. I believe you are supposed to give your opinion in the OP as well. Not just a public service announcement.

Also, the Minister of National Education's name is Jean-Michel Blanquer, not Jean Miquel Blanqour.

I have changed the name thanks

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Postby Olerand » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:54 pm

Anarcitopianchillstate wrote:
Olerand wrote:... It doesn't. I believe you are supposed to give your opinion in the OP as well. Not just a public service announcement.

Also, the Minister of National Education's name is Jean-Michel Blanquer, not Jean Miquel Blanqour.

I have changed the name thanks

You should give your opinion in your original post, otherwise, the thread will also be locked.
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Postby Terra Novae Libero » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:58 pm

Anarcitopianchillstate wrote:The creator of the now defunct Chillstate union (the former states have now either been invaded by Moragona or turned into independent nations) has started this twitter page in reaction to the anti mobile policies (in schools) of France's Macron government. International reactions below
https://twitter.com/nophoneban


Seems very much like France to legislate schools' phone policies at the national level. They have a rather unhealthy trait of excessive centralization.

That being said, not something for people to get that upset about...
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Terra Novae Libero wrote:
Anarcitopianchillstate wrote:The creator of the now defunct Chillstate union (the former states have now either been invaded by Moragona or turned into independent nations) has started this twitter page in reaction to the anti mobile policies (in schools) of France's Macron government. International reactions below
https://twitter.com/nophoneban


Seems very much like France to legislate schools' phone policies at the national level. They have a rather unhealthy trait of excessive centralization.

That being said, not something for people to get that upset about...

All public education in France is on the national level. That's why French students learn sex ed and evolution no matter where they are. It's better that way.

This really isn't that serious. Some schools already had this policy in their internal guidelines. If the government can even get this to be enforced, it is a good idea even.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:03 pm

Anarcitopianchillstate wrote:in reaction to the anti mobile policies (in schools) of France's Macron government

And, if my observations are to be proven correct, towards Donald Trump's migration policy. Which does not concern French internal affairs.

Besides, shouldn't you use French rather than English (on Twitter, not NS) to get your point across to the government?
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Olerand wrote:
Terra Novae Libero wrote:
Seems very much like France to legislate schools' phone policies at the national level. They have a rather unhealthy trait of excessive centralization.

That being said, not something for people to get that upset about...

All public education in France is on the national level. That's why French students learn sex ed and evolution no matter where they are. It's better that way.

This really isn't that serious. Some schools already had this policy in their internal guidelines. If the government can even get this to be enforced, it is a good idea even.

What would you say to students who want to use their phones at break time and you are going against their democratic wishes

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Postby Terra Novae Libero » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:05 pm

Olerand wrote:
Terra Novae Libero wrote:
Seems very much like France to legislate schools' phone policies at the national level. They have a rather unhealthy trait of excessive centralization.

That being said, not something for people to get that upset about...

All public education in France is on the national level. That's why French students learn sex ed and evolution no matter where they are. It's better that way.

This really isn't that serious. Some schools already had this policy in their internal guidelines. If the government can even get this to be enforced, it is a good idea even.


No, it's not that serious- which is what makes it so silly to be dealt with at such a high level.
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Postby Olerand » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:06 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Anarcitopianchillstate wrote:in reaction to the anti mobile policies (in schools) of France's Macron government

And, if my observations are to be proven correct, towards Donald Trump's migration policy. Which does not concern French internal affairs.

Besides, shouldn't you use French rather than English (on Twitter, not NS) to get your point across to the government?

I wanted to point that out but, I let them have their moment.

Anarcitopianchillstate wrote:
Olerand wrote:All public education in France is on the national level. That's why French students learn sex ed and evolution no matter where they are. It's better that way.

This really isn't that serious. Some schools already had this policy in their internal guidelines. If the government can even get this to be enforced, it is a good idea even.

What would you say to students who want to use their phones at break time and you are going against their democratic wishes

Nothing, I don't care. School is not a democracy.

EDIT: You should, again, give your opinion in the OP, otherwise it is deficient and might be locked.

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Olerand wrote:All public education in France is on the national level. That's why French students learn sex ed and evolution no matter where they are. It's better that way.

This really isn't that serious. Some schools already had this policy in their internal guidelines. If the government can even get this to be enforced, it is a good idea even.


No, it's not that serious- which is what makes it so silly to be dealt with at such a high level.

Again, as education in France is only made on the national level, the decisions can only come from the national level. Programs and courses are devised on the national level, holidays are divided up on the national level. France is a unitary State, this is how we make policy. And again, the result is a net positive, no French (public) school will teach abstinence, nor creationism.
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Postby Ieskarios » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:13 pm

I don't see a problem with this phone ban, in all honesty. They are right in saying that kids are on their phones too much, it's not authoritarian to want kids to be kids and not diddle around on their phone during school hours.
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Postby Anarcitopianchillstate » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:16 pm

Ieskarios wrote:I don't see a problem with this phone ban, in all honesty. They are right in saying that kids are on their phones too much, it's not authoritarian to want kids to be kids and not diddle around on their phone during school hours.

kids being on their phones ------ is kids being kids!!!

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Postby Terra Novae Libero » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:17 pm

Olerand wrote:
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No, it's not that serious- which is what makes it so silly to be dealt with at such a high level.

Again, as education in France is only made on the national level, the decisions can only come from the national level. Programs and courses are devised on the national level, holidays are divided up on the national level. France is a unitary State, this is how we make policy. And again, the result is a net positive, no French (public) school will teach abstinence, nor creationism.


I'm like 99% sure that individual schools are capable of administering something as mundane as a phone policy. What next? Is the Minister of Education going to take roll call personally?

Sure, centralization can prevent glaring wrongs like abstinence-only and YEC, but it also makes for mediocre uniformity... regardless, not the problem with something this trivial
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Postby Anarcitopianchillstate » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:18 pm

Olerand wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:And, if my observations are to be proven correct, towards Donald Trump's migration policy. Which does not concern French internal affairs.

Besides, shouldn't you use French rather than English (on Twitter, not NS) to get your point across to the government?

I wanted to point that out but, I let them have their moment.

Anarcitopianchillstate wrote:What would you say to students who want to use their phones at break time and you are going against their democratic wishes

Nothing, I don't care. School is not a democracy


EDIT: You should, again, give your opinion in the OP, otherwise it is deficient and might be locked.

Terra Novae Libero wrote:
No, it's not that serious- which is what makes it so silly to be dealt with at such a high level.

Again, as education in France is only made on the national level, the decisions can only come from the national level. Programs and courses are devised on the national level, holidays are divided up on the national level. France is a unitary State, this is how we make policy. And again, the result is a net positive, no French (public) school will teach abstinence, nor creationism.
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Postby Anarcitopianchillstate » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:20 pm

Someone says they don't care about the opinions of students and that school is not a democarcy! I am 16 and I am VERY OFFENDED! We are humans too and we deserve a say just like the rest of society. School is where we spend a lot of our lives so of course we should have a say in it

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Terra Novae Libero wrote:
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Again, as education in France is only made on the national level, the decisions can only come from the national level. Programs and courses are devised on the national level, holidays are divided up on the national level. France is a unitary State, this is how we make policy. And again, the result is a net positive, no French (public) school will teach abstinence, nor creationism.


I'm like 99% sure that individual schools are capable of administering something as mundane as a phone policy. What next? Is the Minister of Education going to take roll call personally?

Sure, centralization can prevent glaring wrongs like abstinence-only and YEC, but it also makes for mediocre uniformity... regardless, not the problem with something this trivial

Again, some schools had indeed banned it. The new government included this ban on their national educational programme. Thus, coming into power, they put it in place how all educational policy is put in place in France, nationally.

No, that's why teachers exist. Employed by the Ministry of National Education.

No, we still have very good schools, public schools, like Henri IV and Louis-le-Grand in Paris. And some struggling ones of course. Except in France, when we want to improve the conditions of struggling schools, we take measures on the national level, rather than leaving it to the pauperized and segregated municipal authorities to deal with. Which doesn't prevent municipal authorities from improving conditions on their own as well.
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Postby Ieskarios » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:26 pm

Anarcitopianchillstate wrote:Someone says they don't care about the opinions of students and that school is not a democarcy! I am 16 and I am VERY OFFENDED! We are humans too and we deserve a say just like the rest of society. School is where we spend a lot of our lives so of course we should have a say in it

When teachers told me to take off my hat in class, you know what I did? I did it. Not everything has to be about democracy, some things are rules that are to be followed. Why do you think you should be allowed to use phones in school?
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:27 pm

Le Parisien:
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Postby Olerand » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:38 pm

Anarcitopianchillstate wrote:Someone says they don't care about the opinions of students and that school is not a democarcy! I am 16 and I am VERY OFFENDED! We are humans too and we deserve a say just like the rest of society. School is where we spend a lot of our lives so of course we should have a say in it

... OK? It's not a democracy.

Trumptonium1 wrote:Le Parisien:
"13 year old from the UK fights back against Macron's infamous phone ban, Macron apologises for angering the world."

Expect the imminent dissolution of the Philippe Government. How did you know they are British?
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:43 pm

When I was at school there was always a standing "use it and lose it" ban on phones during class hours. I don't see why this is such a problem.
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Postby Ieskarios » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:48 pm

Vassenor wrote:When I was at school there was always a standing "use it and lose it" ban on phones during class hours. I don't see why this is such a problem.

My schooling career pretty much did the same, though we could use them for taking notes or during silent work.
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Postby Terra Novae Libero » Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:06 pm

Olerand wrote:
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I'm like 99% sure that individual schools are capable of administering something as mundane as a phone policy. What next? Is the Minister of Education going to take roll call personally?

Sure, centralization can prevent glaring wrongs like abstinence-only and YEC, but it also makes for mediocre uniformity... regardless, not the problem with something this trivial

Again, some schools had indeed banned it. The new government included this ban on their national educational programme. Thus, coming into power, they put it in place how all educational policy is put in place in France, nationally.

No, that's why teachers exist. Employed by the Ministry of National Education.

No, we still have very good schools, public schools, like Henri IV and Louis-le-Grand in Paris. And some struggling ones of course. Except in France, when we want to improve the conditions of struggling schools, we take measures on the national level, rather than leaving it to the pauperized and segregated municipal authorities to deal with. Which doesn't prevent municipal authorities from improving conditions on their own as well.


If a local/regional/school/whatever authority is clearly incapable of performing its functions to the point of causing harm, that certainly justifies intervention from the next highest level.

But when the lower authority is capable of excersizing a function, reserving that function for a higher authority only diminishes the ability of people to engage and participate in their own lives.

There is no good reason a schoolteacher should have to participate in national politics (where they'd all-but-certainly lack a noticeable voice) in order to change their classroom's phone policy. It's just absurd.
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