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Fascist Ultramarr
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Postby Fascist Ultramarr » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:29 am

USS Monitor wrote:
Fascist Ultramarr wrote:I have in the past and they deleted my account but I will happily email them. I will see if they are sources that wont get shut down


Yeah, about that... I've argued against DOSing you, but your NWO stuff does have a way of derailing threads, and it is a problem.

I think it would be a good idea to take it to TG if Ultramarr and other players want to continue debating his worldview.

Thank you. Also am I derailing this thread now? Those the current stuff count as derailing

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Estanglia
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Postby Estanglia » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:30 am

Fascist Ultramarr wrote:
Liriena wrote:As someone who actually studied communication and mass media... your conception of how media influence works is completely out of whack.

Both sides including swathes of "alternatives" like Alex Jones are owned by the same side. They push globalism and their propaganda to their target audiences in a different way. Hence to get leftists they use the BBC and CNN while to get the flag waving Bush supporter types they use fox news. Then one side purposefully makes mistakes when they are losing so the "opposing" side can take over still owned by the same financers controlling society. When they own all of enterainment and media as well most of the government and education its a multiple pronged indoctrination even when the sheep dont notice. The 3rd postion groups that arent controlled are ruthlessly demonised if they are western often called racists and nazis, if they are middle eastern called terrorists and if they are right or left (not controlled) called extreme and then accused of crimes and "human rights" abuse for countries when the governments of the US, UK, France, Israel, Saudi, UAE and so on are the real human rights abusers and their governments are the mass murderers.

1) Proof?
2) The general population are not indoctrinated sheep. Stop using that cliche please, it gets very stale when every global conspiracy involves it.
3) The US, UK and France are not violating human rights or committing genocide. they grew out of that before this century at least.
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Postby Estanglia » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:32 am

Estanglia wrote:
Fascist Ultramarr wrote:Both sides including swathes of "alternatives" like Alex Jones are owned by the same side. They push globalism and their propaganda to their target audiences in a different way. Hence to get leftists they use the BBC and CNN while to get the flag waving Bush supporter types they use fox news. Then one side purposefully makes mistakes when they are losing so the "opposing" side can take over still owned by the same financers controlling society. When they own all of enterainment and media as well most of the government and education its a multiple pronged indoctrination even when the sheep dont notice. The 3rd postion groups that arent controlled are ruthlessly demonised if they are western often called racists and nazis, if they are middle eastern called terrorists and if they are right or left (not controlled) called extreme and then accused of crimes and "human rights" abuse for countries when the governments of the US, UK, France, Israel, Saudi, UAE and so on are the real human rights abusers and their governments are the mass murderers.

1) Proof?
2) The general population are not indoctrinated sheep. Stop using that cliche please, it gets very stale when every global conspiracy involves it.
3) The US, UK and France are not violating human rights or committing genocide. they grew out of that before this century at least.


Sorry, I typed this before I saw your post, USS Monitor.
Yeah: Egalitarianism, equality
Meh: Labour, the EU
Nah: pointless discrimination, authoritarianism, Brexit, Trump, both American parties, the Conservatives
I flop between "optimistic about the future" and "pessimistic about the future" every time I go on NSG.

(Taken 29/08/2020)
Political compass test:
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

8values thinks I'm a Libertarian Socialist.

Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"

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Postby Fascist Ultramarr » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:32 am

Estanglia wrote:
Fascist Ultramarr wrote:Both sides including swathes of "alternatives" like Alex Jones are owned by the same side. They push globalism and their propaganda to their target audiences in a different way. Hence to get leftists they use the BBC and CNN while to get the flag waving Bush supporter types they use fox news. Then one side purposefully makes mistakes when they are losing so the "opposing" side can take over still owned by the same financers controlling society. When they own all of enterainment and media as well most of the government and education its a multiple pronged indoctrination even when the sheep dont notice. The 3rd postion groups that arent controlled are ruthlessly demonised if they are western often called racists and nazis, if they are middle eastern called terrorists and if they are right or left (not controlled) called extreme and then accused of crimes and "human rights" abuse for countries when the governments of the US, UK, France, Israel, Saudi, UAE and so on are the real human rights abusers and their governments are the mass murderers.

1) Proof?
2) The general population are not indoctrinated sheep. Stop using that cliche please, it gets very stale when every global conspiracy involves it.
3) The US, UK and France are not violating human rights or committing genocide. they grew out of that before this century at least.

The US and its vassals attacked countries without freemason lodges, usury and Rothschild banks on behalf of international finance:

Libya, Iraq, Japan, Germany, Italy and their smaller allies, Afghanistan and Imperial Russia and currently on the hitlist is Iran, Syria, Russia(Russia isn't fully free however) and North Korea(although NK isn't nice and the Trump deal might install international finance in NK) anyway we can carry on the telegram if you want
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:35 am

Fascist Ultramarr wrote:Also am I derailing this thread now?


It'd be up to someone else to handle any official rulings, but yeah. I think it's getting too far off-topic.
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Postby Estanglia » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:35 am

Fascist Ultramarr wrote:
Estanglia wrote:1) Proof?
2) The general population are not indoctrinated sheep. Stop using that cliche please, it gets very stale when every global conspiracy involves it.
3) The US, UK and France are not violating human rights or committing genocide. they grew out of that before this century at least.

The US and its vassals attacked countries without freemason lodges, usury and Rothschild banks on behalf of international finance:

Libya, Iraq, Japan, Germany, Italy and their smaller allies, Afghanistan and Imperial Russia and currently on the hitlist is Iran, Syria, Russia(Russia isn't fully free however) and North Korea(although NK isn't nice and the Trump deal might install international finance in NK) anyway we can carry on the telegram if you want

I don't think much will happen if we carry on this debate (even through telegram), so no thank you.
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Yeah: Egalitarianism, equality
Meh: Labour, the EU
Nah: pointless discrimination, authoritarianism, Brexit, Trump, both American parties, the Conservatives
I flop between "optimistic about the future" and "pessimistic about the future" every time I go on NSG.

(Taken 29/08/2020)
Political compass test:
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

8values thinks I'm a Libertarian Socialist.

Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"

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Postby Liriena » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:36 am

Uxupox wrote:
Liriena wrote:That is a phenomenon not exclusive to black Americans and rooted in a plethora of factors, and it doesn't negate the existence of systemic issues rooted in institutionally ingrained biases both past and present.


so we "fix" this by eliminating what exactly?

I don't bloody know. Even reparations for the redlining-related lead poisoning were a flawed solution because it ended up breeding an industry of exploitative lawyers who take advantage of the recipients of those reparations.
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Great Sultanate of Khorasan
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Postby Great Sultanate of Khorasan » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:38 am

God's plan

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Postby Estanglia » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:38 am

Great Sultanate of Khorasan wrote:God's plan

Is this a troll?
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Yeah: Egalitarianism, equality
Meh: Labour, the EU
Nah: pointless discrimination, authoritarianism, Brexit, Trump, both American parties, the Conservatives
I flop between "optimistic about the future" and "pessimistic about the future" every time I go on NSG.

(Taken 29/08/2020)
Political compass test:
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

8values thinks I'm a Libertarian Socialist.

Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"

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Fascist Ultramarr
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Postby Fascist Ultramarr » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:40 am

Liriena wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
so we "fix" this by eliminating what exactly?

I don't bloody know. Even reparations for the redlining-related lead poisoning were a flawed solution because it ended up breeding an industry of exploitative lawyers who take advantage of the recipients of those reparations.

No one is entilted to reperations for stuff that happened when they werent alive. There are no living slaves today (well the atlantic ones anway Africa and the middle east and south Asia and chunks of latin America has a issue with slavery)

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:41 am

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Postby Kramanica » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:06 pm

That explains a lot about social justice warriors, tbh.
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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:24 pm

How much of that is focusing on the big things that exist first and then turning to the small things that already existed but where minor in comparison to the big things but that did exist?
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:30 pm

Fascist Ultramarr wrote:
Liriena wrote:I don't bloody know. Even reparations for the redlining-related lead poisoning were a flawed solution because it ended up breeding an industry of exploitative lawyers who take advantage of the recipients of those reparations.

No one is entilted to reperations for stuff that happened when they werent alive. There are no living slaves today (well the atlantic ones anway Africa and the middle east and south Asia and chunks of latin America has a issue with slavery)

We get it: you have the most unoriginal opinions.
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Political compass stuff:
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:45 pm

Liriena wrote:
Fascist Ultramarr wrote:No one is entilted to reperations for stuff that happened when they werent alive. There are no living slaves today (well the atlantic ones anway Africa and the middle east and south Asia and chunks of latin America has a issue with slavery)

We get it: you have the most unoriginal opinions.

He managed to say something true for once and you responded... by calling it "unoriginal". At least that's an original response.
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Postby Herskerstad » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:48 pm

In fairness the title describes the west pretty well.
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Postby Uxupox » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:08 pm

Liriena wrote:
Fascist Ultramarr wrote:No one is entilted to reperations for stuff that happened when they werent alive. There are no living slaves today (well the atlantic ones anway Africa and the middle east and south Asia and chunks of latin America has a issue with slavery)

We get it: you have the most unoriginal opinions.


however, he isn't wrong with that stated though.
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Postby Auze » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:13 pm

Fascist Ultramarr wrote:
Estanglia wrote:Facist Ultramarr, provide some proof instead of going 'people won't believe me'. Obviously they wouldn't because you won't provide proof. The burden of proof is on you to prove the existence of this 'NWO' or whatever organisation you're talking about, not us to disprove it. If you have proof, provide it now. If not, stop making unsubstantiated, irrelevant statements about 'international finance'.

I have in the past and they deleted my account but I will happily email them. I will see if they are sources that wont get shut down

Wait, so the NSG mods are part of the NWO? Now I want in on this cabal.
Fascist Ultramarr wrote:
Estanglia wrote:What are these 'Zionist' companies, and where is proof?

http://tapnewswire.com/2015/10/six-jewi ... lds-media/
Here you go this one also has no content that can be called a "hate site" for and has no slurs or stuff on it although its important to note not every Zionist globalist is a Jew and not all Jews are Zionist globalists. Henry Makow, brother Nathaneal and Rabbi Wiess is against global Zionism for example but Blair, Cameron, Clinton and so on are globalists and work for zionists

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/your-news-wire/
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:17 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Liriena wrote:We get it: you have the most unoriginal opinions.

He managed to say something true for once and you responded... by calling it "unoriginal". At least that's an original response.

"something true"

Dude, agreeing with an opinion doesn't make it true, specially an opinion about who is or isn't entitled to reparations for decades of state-sponsored injustice.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby Liriena » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:18 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Liriena wrote:We get it: you have the most unoriginal opinions.


however, he isn't wrong with that stated though.

I disagree.

Boom. :p
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

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Proctopeo
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:19 pm

Liriena wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:He managed to say something true for once and you responded... by calling it "unoriginal". At least that's an original response.

"something true"

Dude, agreeing with an opinion doesn't make it true, specially an opinion about who is or isn't entitled to reparations for decades of state-sponsored injustice.

Why "especially" an "opinion" like that?
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:20 pm

Kramanica wrote:That explains a lot about social justice warriors, tbh.


This explains the alt-right weirdos screeching about degeneracy, too.
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Postby Uxupox » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:23 pm

Liriena wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
however, he isn't wrong with that stated though.

I disagree.

Boom. :p


well if you want to give me free stuff you i can give you my paypal. i can always use more money. :p
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Kramanica
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Postby Kramanica » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:53 pm

Liriena wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:He managed to say something true for once and you responded... by calling it "unoriginal". At least that's an original response.

"something true"

Dude, agreeing with an opinion doesn't make it true, specially an opinion about who is or isn't entitled to reparations for decades of state-sponsored injustice.

That was a really long and pseudo-sophisticated way of saying "nou".
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Postby Kramanica » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:55 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Kramanica wrote:That explains a lot about social justice warriors, tbh.


This explains the alt-right weirdos screeching about degeneracy, too.

Whenever I make a comment about anything I can smell you just around the corner about to whip out your patented "X does the same thing so nyah" retort.

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