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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
334
36%
Eastern Orthodox
85
9%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
6
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
57
6%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
96
10%
Methodist
16
2%
Baptist
95
10%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
72
8%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
37
4%
Other Christian
137
15%
 
Total votes : 935

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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:15 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Kowani, you're such a joke.

Why don't you tell that to the Kurdish kids with the white phosphorus burns, that they live in a world where humanity isn't bent towards evil.

Knock it off with the personal stuff, okay?


Can you reiterate that to everyone please?
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Postby Kowani » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:15 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Kowani wrote:It’s almost like critiques of a religion might overlap…


So does shit throwing.
I’m sure someone of an entirely different religion would have no reason to think your god doesn’t exist.
I could be totally wrong, but I don’t think that applies to Hana.




I’m not aware of his her particular tradition

FTFY
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Postby New haven america » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:16 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
New haven america wrote:Well, if that's what you choose to believe, then I can't stop you.

It's a shame that your only exposure to Christianity or Christian ideals was of the hardcore, Right-Wing, Bible-humping conservative variety.


1. Even the most liberal of Christians I've met have displayed some form of coherent Christianity. 2. You haven't done anything, in fact, you've done less than nothing to convince me of any kind of sincere Christianity.

1. Ok.
2. I'm sorry I don't fit into your super specific mold or bubble of what a Christian should be. Well, I would be, if I actually cared about what you think of me. But in this case I don't give a shit, and your bewilderment ain't my problem.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:17 pm

New haven america wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
1. Even the most liberal of Christians I've met have displayed some form of coherent Christianity. 2. You haven't done anything, in fact, you've done less than nothing to convince me of any kind of sincere Christianity.

1. Ok.
2. I'm sorry I don't fit into your super specific mold or bubble of what a Christian should be. Well, I would be, if I actually cared about what you think of me. But in this case I don't give a shit, and your bewilderment ain't my problem.


Then tell me, what should a Christian be according to you? What do you believe in, in detail.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:17 pm

Kowani wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Free will is what the other two things derive from.

Soil and plant biology are dependent on free will now?

Soil and plant biology are affected by the fall of man, yes.
New haven america wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
No, you're not.

Well, if that's what you choose to believe, then I can't stop you.

It's a shame that your only exposure to Christianity or Christian ideals was of the hardcore, Right-Wing, Bible-humping conservative variety, as there's a lot of unique and varied Christian traditions throughout the world.

We have no reason to subscribe to any schismatic branch, one that shares nothing with the Church Fathers.
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Northern Davincia wrote:Your ability to choose has not been diminished.

Yes it is, as God already has your entire life planned out from the moment you're born.

After all, he knows everything, that's kind of a big part of being omnipotent.

If I know the choices of someone in the past, they're still responsible for those actions. The future really isn't much different, and the choice to take responsibility is always present.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:17 pm

New haven america wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
1. Even the most liberal of Christians I've met have displayed some form of coherent Christianity. 2. You haven't done anything, in fact, you've done less than nothing to convince me of any kind of sincere Christianity.

1. Ok.
2. I'm sorry I don't fit into your super specific mold or bubble of what a Christian should be. Well, I would be, if I actually cared about what you think of me. But in this case I don't give a shit, and your bewilderment ain't my problem.


Do you affirm the Trinity and the Resurrection of Jesus Christ?
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Postby New haven america » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:17 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
New haven america wrote:Well, if that's what you choose to believe, then I can't stop you.

It's a shame that your only exposure to Christianity or Christian ideals was of the hardcore, Right-Wing, Bible-humping conservative variety, as there's a lot of unique and varied Christian traditions throughout the world.


It’s shame you can’t go two posts without mudslinging.

Says the one who acts as if they're allowed to stereotype an entire religion (Hana and Buddhism), but can't take a single question that goes against your beliefs of Christianity.

But that's neither here nor there.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:17 pm

Kowani wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
So does shit throwing.
I’m sure someone of an entirely different religion would have no reason to think your god doesn’t exist.


Sure, but I believe the comments strayed into “God in General” territory. Which, while do entertain it from time to time, is not the thread to discuss that in.




I’m not aware of his her particular tradition

FTFY


Thanks. Pardon my ignorance Hana.
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:19 pm

New haven america wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
It’s shame you can’t go two posts without mudslinging.

Says the one who acts as if they're allowed to stereotype an entire religion, but can't take a single question that goes against your beliefs of Christianity.


So you can’t go one post without mudslinging now? I’m trying to calm down this thread. Step back, take a chill pill, and let’s everybody get our tempers back to amicable levels.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby New haven america » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:19 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. Ok.
2. I'm sorry I don't fit into your super specific mold or bubble of what a Christian should be. Well, I would be, if I actually cared about what you think of me. But in this case I don't give a shit, and your bewilderment ain't my problem.


Do you affirm the Trinity and the Resurrection of Jesus Christ?

Obviously.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:20 pm

New haven america wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Do you affirm the Trinity and the Resurrection of Jesus Christ?

Obviously.


Baptism for the remission of sins?
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:20 pm

New haven america wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Do you affirm the Trinity and the Resurrection of Jesus Christ?

Obviously.

Now give your answer to the theodicy.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:20 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
New haven america wrote:Says the one who acts as if they're allowed to stereotype an entire religion, but can't take a single question that goes against your beliefs of Christianity.


So you can’t go one post without mudslinging now? I’m trying to calm down this thread. Step back, take a chill pill, and let’s everybody get our tempers back to amicable levels.

lol, I don't get emotionally invested in internet forums, sorry.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:21 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
New haven america wrote:Obviously.

Now give your answer to the theodicy.


Lmao. You first dude.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby Kowani » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:21 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Soil and plant biology are dependent on free will now?

Soil and plant biology are affected by the fall of man, yes.

Even if I wasn’t about to dispute the hell out of this being scientific in any way, the only way for this to work is for energy to not work.

Tarsonis wrote:
Kowani wrote: I’m sure someone of an entirely different religion would have no reason to think your god doesn’t exist.


Sure, but I believe the comments strayed into “God in General” territory. Which, while do entertain it from time to time, is not the thread to discuss that in.

Fair.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:21 pm

New haven america wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
So you can’t go one post without mudslinging now? I’m trying to calm down this thread. Step back, take a chill pill, and let’s everybody get our tempers back to amicable levels.

lol, I don't get emotionally invested in internet forums, sorry.


Could of fooled me and just about everyone here. If you’re not here to contribute anything but mudslinging I’d politely ask you to leave.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby New haven america » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:22 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
New haven america wrote:Obviously.


Baptism for the remission of sins?

Whatever floats your boat.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:23 pm

New haven america wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Baptism for the remission of sins?

Whatever floats your boat.


This is about what you believe.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:23 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
New haven america wrote:lol, I don't get emotionally invested in internet forums, sorry.


Could of fooled me and just about everyone here. If you’re not here to contribute anything but mudslinging I’d politely ask you to leave.

You first my dude.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:24 pm

New haven america wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Could of fooled me and just about everyone here. If you’re not here to contribute anything but mudslinging I’d politely ask you to leave.

You first my dude.


Wow. How old are you?
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:25 pm

New haven america wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Baptism for the remission of sins?

Whatever floats your boat.


I ask that because belief in the Trinity, Belief in the Death and Resurrection of Christ, and Belief in Baptism for the remission of sins is the bare minimum to be considered Christian by the Catholic Metric. You’ve attested to 2 out of 3, how about the third? Do you believe in Baptism for the Remission of Sins?
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:25 pm

New haven america wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Could of fooled me and just about everyone here. If you’re not here to contribute anything but mudslinging I’d politely ask you to leave.

You first my dude.


I’m the OP man
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby New haven america » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:26 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
New haven america wrote:You first my dude.


Wow. How old are you?

Apparently as old as Tar considering he posted something very similar in this very page.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:26 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Don't want to derail the thread, but just pointing out that there's not a single atheistic Buddhist school and I'm not an atheist, the two are mutually incompatible. As someone who's trying to be ordained, this is a major annoyance to me.


Allow me to politely disagree and leave it at that.


Fair, but if you're ever interested in hearing my explanation, you are welcome to telegram me.
Tarsonis wrote:Thanks. Pardon my ignorance Hana.


All's forgiven fam.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:27 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
New haven america wrote:Whatever floats your boat.


This is about what you believe.

I'm aware.

I'm also aware that by not divulging personal information about what I think or believe, then you have no leverage over me. Which leads to amusing results.
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