The Christian Discussion Thread X: Originally there were 15

[Geneviev]

How would you know that Constantine wasn’t pushing true Christianity, but that the reformers were?

Constantine fused Paganism with Christianity. That is not right. The Reformers taught what the Bible says. While Catholics banned Bible translations for over a millennia, what were they hiding?

Some reformers were not much better, you must know that.

[Abaja]

How would you know that Constantine wasn’t pushing true Christianity, but that the reformers were?

Constantine fused Paganism with Christianity. That is not right. The Reformers taught what the Bible says. While Catholics banned Bible translations for over a millennia, what were they hiding?

What the hell kind of Catholics have you heard about?

[Paleoconservative Citizens]

Constantine fused Paganism with Christianity. That is not right. The Reformers taught what the Bible says. While Catholics banned Bible translations for over a millennia, what were they hiding?

Every early Christian worth their weight did that, even Paul. Hell, even Judaism did that.

What about Protestant Christianity is Pagan?

[Paleoconservative Citizens]

Constantine fused Paganism with Christianity. That is not right. The Reformers taught what the Bible says. While Catholics banned Bible translations for over a millennia, what were they hiding?

What the hell kind of Catholics have you heard about?

The kind who banned Bible Translations during Luther's time.

[Paleoconservative Citizens]

Constantine fused Paganism with Christianity. That is not right. The Reformers taught what the Bible says. While Catholics banned Bible translations for over a millennia, what were they hiding?

Some reformers were not much better, you must know that.

Yes, I know. But most were.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Constantine fused Paganism with Christianity. That is not right. The Reformers taught what the Bible says. While Catholics banned Bible translations for over a millennia, what were they hiding?

What the hell kind of Catholics have you heard about?

He’s an American Presbyterian. You’ll have to forgive his views of Catholicism, they’re not especially adept at addressing actual Catholicism. Source: former presby myself

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Every early Christian worth their weight did that, even Paul. Hell, even Judaism did that.

What about Protestant Christianity is Pagan?

The resurrection, baptism, and the eucharist

[The Empire of Pretantia]

The bible clearly contradicts this when God tells various people at different points to kill people.

He can do that because he's God.

And they can kill people because that's good.

Oh and by the way, God never explicitly told David to kill Goliath. He just sort of assumed God was on his side and it worked out.

[Paleoconservative Citizens]

What about Protestant Christianity is Pagan?

The resurrection, baptism, and the eucharist

Presbyterianism does not teach the Eucharist. It's the Lord's supper as Jesus taught it.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

The resurrection, baptism, and the eucharist

Presbyterianism does not teach the Eucharist. It's the Lord's supper as Jesus taught it.

Same difference.

[Geneviev]

What the hell kind of Catholics have you heard about?

The kind who banned Bible Translations during Luther's time.

Luther did translate the Bible. We still use the Lutherbibel today.

Some reformers were not much better, you must know that.

Yes, I know. But most were.

All of them had their problems. Luther had a problem with being political, for one.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

The kind who banned Bible Translations during Luther's time.

Luther did translate the Bible. We still use the Lutherbibel today.

Yes, I know. But most were.

All of them had their problems. Luther had a problem with being political, for one.

Let’s not forget John Calvin, the supposedly enlightened reformer who established a totalitarian regime in Switzerland. The Presbyterians are, of course, one of the groups descended from his theology.

[Geneviev]

He can do that because he's God.

And they can kill people because that's good.

Oh and by the way, God never explicitly told David to kill Goliath. He just sort of assumed God was on his side and it worked out.

Only if it's from God.

[The Grims]

How would you know that Constantine wasn’t pushing true Christianity, but that the reformers were?

Constantine fused Paganism with Christianity. That is not right. The Reformers taught what the Bible says. While Catholics banned Bible translations for over a millennia, what were they hiding?

I believe the official reason was that reading and interpreting the Bible.requires knowledge about the era it was written not available to the average peasant. Or even the average noble since it tskes yeara of study.

[The Grims]

And they can kill people because that's good.

Oh and by the way, God never explicitly told David to kill Goliath. He just sort of assumed God was on his side and it worked out.

Only if it's from God.

Iovi Bovi still is pagan.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Constantine fused Paganism with Christianity. That is not right. The Reformers taught what the Bible says. While Catholics banned Bible translations for over a millennia, what were they hiding?

I believe the official reason was that reading and interpreting the Bible.requires knowledge about the era it was written not available to the average peasant. Or even the average noble since it tskes yeara of study.

To be fair, the OT was written by peasants for peasants.

[Geneviev]

Only if it's from God.

Iovi Bovi still is pagan.

Then I'm wrong.

[The Grims]

I believe the official reason was that reading and interpreting the Bible.requires knowledge about the era it was written not available to the average peasant. Or even the average noble since it tskes yeara of study.

To be fair, the OT was written by peasants for peasants.

But in an entirely different time, in a desert empire dominated by pharaos and sun worship. With customs, sayings and beliefs utterly alien to medieval citizens unless they made a study of it.

[Paleoconservative Citizens]

The kind who banned Bible Translations during Luther's time.

Luther did translate the Bible. We still use the Lutherbibel today.

Yes, I know. But most were.

All of them had their problems. Luther had a problem with being political, for one.

Let's not forget his Antisemitic behavior, which the Nazis claim that they were only following his work.

Or Calvin had a tendency to still call Mary the "Queen of Heaven" , etc.

[Hakons]

They are the most true according to Christianity.

Which is based on those books. Do you ever wonder where the gnostic gospels went? What organized Christianity might have looked like on that path? An appeal to the Bible is still an appeal to false tradition.

The Bible was compiled based on the guidance of God. The Bible is most definitely is not a false tradition, as it is Divine Scripture appointed by God to lead the faithful. You, of course, will disagree with this, but you, of course, don't believe in God to begin with and won't accept any answer that involves the Divine. If you go after a religion while at the same time rejecting anything religious as sufficient backing, you're asking an impossible question because you're framing it in a manner that is impossible for religious people to support their claims.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Which is based on those books. Do you ever wonder where the gnostic gospels went? What organized Christianity might have looked like on that path? An appeal to the Bible is still an appeal to false tradition.

The Bible was compiled based on the guidance of God. The Bible is most definitely is not a false tradition, as it is Divine Scripture appointed by God to lead the faithful. You, of course, will disagree with this, but you, of course, don't believe in God to begin with and won't accept any answer that involves the Divine. If you go after a religion while at the same time rejecting anything religious as sufficient backing, you're asking an impossible question because you're framing it in a manner that is impossible for religious people to support their claims.

Curious, then, that God includes 2 Peter in his holy collection, as it was a forgery not written by the same author as 1 Peter.

[Hakons]

What about Protestant Christianity is Pagan?

The resurrection, baptism, and the eucharist

You would have to elaborate on that. Obviously pagan traditions had elements like resurrected figures, water washing ceremonies, and sacrificial ceremonies, but you would actually have to substantiate your claim that the Resurrection and the sacraments of baptism and the Eucharist are somehow inspired by paganism. You can't just point to similar traits and say one is directly inspired and influenced by the other.

[The Grims]

The resurrection, baptism, and the eucharist

You would have to elaborate on that. Obviously pagan traditions had elements like resurrected figures, water washing ceremonies, and sacrificial ceremonies, but you would actually have to substantiate your claim that the Resurrection and the sacraments of baptism and the Eucharist are somehow inspired by paganism. You can't just point to similar traits and say one is directly inspired and influenced by the other.

One can wonder why the resurrection of Jesus is deemed special and conclusive proof of the validity of Christianity, while the resurrection of pagans is not seen as proof their faith was correct.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

The resurrection, baptism, and the eucharist

You would have to elaborate on that. Obviously pagan traditions had elements like resurrected figures, water washing ceremonies, and sacrificial ceremonies, but you would actually have to substantiate your claim that the Resurrection and the sacraments of baptism and the Eucharist are somehow inspired by paganism. You can't just point to similar traits and say one is directly inspired and influenced by the other.

The resemblance between these mystic cults and Christianity is *uncanny*. Many of these cults (looking specifically at the cult of Osiris) shared several Christian traits and were active around the time of Jesus in a similar location.

[Hakons]

The Bible was compiled based on the guidance of God. The Bible is most definitely is not a false tradition, as it is Divine Scripture appointed by God to lead the faithful. You, of course, will disagree with this, but you, of course, don't believe in God to begin with and won't accept any answer that involves the Divine. If you go after a religion while at the same time rejecting anything religious as sufficient backing, you're asking an impossible question because you're framing it in a manner that is impossible for religious people to support their claims.

Curious, then, that God includes 2 Peter in his holy collection, as it was a forgery not written by the same author as 1 Peter.

The individual authors of sacred Scripture are not dogmatically declared, neither are many of them even known. There is popular tradition on who wrote want (and you definitely need to actually provide evidence for your claim of forgery), but the name of the exact individual that wrote whichever book doesn't matter. What does matter is that their work is inspired by God, which is what the Biblical canon is.