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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
225
34%
Eastern Orthodox
68
10%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
5
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
42
6%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
75
11%
Methodist
8
1%
Baptist
64
10%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
54
8%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
18
3%
Other Christian
101
15%
 
Total votes : 660

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ThePenguinLand
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby ThePenguinLand » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:43 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Heresy can be interesting, and still be heresy.

Arguably that's what makes it so deadly. If Heresy were boring, nobody would fall for it.

That's essientially the point of heresy.
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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:20 am

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/0 ... XRjV0wuw5g

Some good news for the day. Finally, some sanity coming back to the US. (Apologies to European members, the Link won't work for y'all.)
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Nea Byzantia
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Nea Byzantia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:21 am

Tarsonis wrote:https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/06/supreme-court-rules-wwi-peace-cross-memorial-can-remain/?utm_campaign=alt&utm_source=militarymemes&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR119LiGdr2LOgOlZdgSHyt-Wo4WGr3x8u8ysqOnoNAqWlf0YXRjV0wuw5g

Some good news for the day. Finally, some sanity coming back to the US. (Apologies to European members, the Link won't work for y'all.)

They were gonna remove a Cross from a war memorial?

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Tarsonis
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:24 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/06/supreme-court-rules-wwi-peace-cross-memorial-can-remain/?utm_campaign=alt&utm_source=militarymemes&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR119LiGdr2LOgOlZdgSHyt-Wo4WGr3x8u8ysqOnoNAqWlf0YXRjV0wuw5g

Some good news for the day. Finally, some sanity coming back to the US. (Apologies to European members, the Link won't work for y'all.)

They were gonna remove a Cross from a war memorial?


Yeah, uppity atheists trying to use the establishment clause as cudgel to erase religion from the public sphere. Thankfully SCOTUS saw reason.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Nea Byzantia
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Founded: Jun 03, 2016
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Nea Byzantia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:25 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:They were gonna remove a Cross from a war memorial?


Yeah, uppity atheists trying to use the establishment clause as cudgel to erase religion from the public sphere. Thankfully SCOTUS saw reason.

Damn Neo-Bolsheviks

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Lower Nubia
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Founded: Dec 22, 2017
New York Times Democracy

Postby Lower Nubia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:22 pm

Tarsonis wrote:https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/06/supreme-court-rules-wwi-peace-cross-memorial-can-remain/?utm_campaign=alt&utm_source=militarymemes&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR119LiGdr2LOgOlZdgSHyt-Wo4WGr3x8u8ysqOnoNAqWlf0YXRjV0wuw5g

Some good news for the day. Finally, some sanity coming back to the US. (Apologies to European members, the Link won't work for y'all.)


People actually campaign to remove that?

They’d be livid in England. Literally every village and town monument is a 10 to 30 foot cross.
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Northern Davincia
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:47 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/06/supreme-court-rules-wwi-peace-cross-memorial-can-remain/?utm_campaign=alt&utm_source=militarymemes&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR119LiGdr2LOgOlZdgSHyt-Wo4WGr3x8u8ysqOnoNAqWlf0YXRjV0wuw5g

Some good news for the day. Finally, some sanity coming back to the US. (Apologies to European members, the Link won't work for y'all.)


People actually campaign to remove that?

They’d be livid in England. Literally every village and town monument is a 10 to 30 foot cross.

That a lower court ordered it to be removed is concerning. The 1st Amendment is not well understood, even by judges.
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Tarsonis
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Founded: Sep 20, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:37 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
People actually campaign to remove that?

They’d be livid in England. Literally every village and town monument is a 10 to 30 foot cross.

That a lower court ordered it to be removed is concerning. The 1st Amendment is not well understood, even by judges.


To be fair to the lower courts they were using the Lemon Test as a guide.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:38 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/06/supreme-court-rules-wwi-peace-cross-memorial-can-remain/?utm_campaign=alt&utm_source=militarymemes&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR119LiGdr2LOgOlZdgSHyt-Wo4WGr3x8u8ysqOnoNAqWlf0YXRjV0wuw5g

Some good news for the day. Finally, some sanity coming back to the US. (Apologies to European members, the Link won't work for y'all.)


People actually campaign to remove that?

They’d be livid in England. Literally every village and town monument is a 10 to 30 foot cross.


England also has a state religion. The US does not.
Proud NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Eternal Lotharia
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Founded: Dec 27, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Eternal Lotharia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:07 pm

Last edited by Eternal Lotharia on Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Shrillland wrote:Will you all knock it off? Leave reruns where they belong, on Basic Cable.


It's the election thread. It is literally the basic cable of our society.

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Tarsonis
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:10 pm

Proud NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Eternal Lotharia
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Eternal Lotharia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:15 pm


That's debated but interested in your view.

I've told God "fuck it whatever is true I'm fine with I'm confused and there are many good arguments."
Keyboard being a pain. Will take longer to do stuff until further notice.
This flag does not represent my nation being evil or nazi, fascist, etc., it's not. I'm also not any of those.
This nation's Policies partially represent my views, partially are experimental, same thing with how my nation is in RP.
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The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Just like your life.

Woah. Okay. Harsh. True, but harsh.


Telconi wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Will you all knock it off? Leave reruns where they belong, on Basic Cable.


It's the election thread. It is literally the basic cable of our society.

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Aeritai
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Founded: Oct 25, 2018
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Aeritai » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:16 pm



What do you mean its not real?
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Narland
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Anarchy

Postby Narland » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:19 pm


The Right Behind book by Nathan Wilson was better (and funny). The rapture isn't even good math. Jesus returns another time between the 1st Advent and the 2nd Advent. The 1.5 coming?
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Tarsonis
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:21 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Their theologically heretical too. The rapture isn’t real.


What do you mean its not real?


The idea of the Rapture, where the faithful are beamed up to heaven before the tribulation? Not real. It’s a neo-Protestant idea that came out of the second great awakening in the 19th century. There is no historical doctrine of a pretribulation exodus, nor is there accurate biblical support for it.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Tarsonis
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:25 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Their theologically heretical too. The rapture isn’t real.

That's debated but interested in your view.

I've told God "fuck it whatever is true I'm fine with I'm confused and there are many good arguments."

It’s not really debated so much as broken along sectarian lines. People tend to believe which version their side does.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Aeritai
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Founded: Oct 25, 2018
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Aeritai » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:27 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Aeritai wrote:
What do you mean its not real?


The idea of the Rapture, where the faithful are beamed up to heaven before the tribulation? Not real. It’s a neo-Protestant idea that came out of the second great awakening in the 19th century. There is no historical doctrine of a pretribulation exodus, nor is there accurate biblical support for it.


Interesting so after the tribulation we will all be beamed up into heaven?
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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:29 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
The idea of the Rapture, where the faithful are beamed up to heaven before the tribulation? Not real. It’s a neo-Protestant idea that came out of the second great awakening in the 19th century. There is no historical doctrine of a pretribulation exodus, nor is there accurate biblical support for it.


Interesting so after the tribulation we will all be beamed up into heaven?


In layman’s terms, yes.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Aeritai
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Aeritai » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:30 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Aeritai wrote:
Interesting so after the tribulation we will all be beamed up into heaven?


In layman’s terms, yes.


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The Union of the West
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Father Knows Best State

Postby The Union of the West » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:31 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
The idea of the Rapture, where the faithful are beamed up to heaven before the tribulation? Not real. It’s a neo-Protestant idea that came out of the second great awakening in the 19th century. There is no historical doctrine of a pretribulation exodus, nor is there accurate biblical support for it.


Interesting so after the tribulation we will all be beamed up into heaven?

After the Last Judgment.
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Eternal Lotharia
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Eternal Lotharia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:31 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:That's debated but interested in your view.

I've told God "fuck it whatever is true I'm fine with I'm confused and there are many good arguments."

It’s not really debated so much as broken along sectarian lines. People tend to believe which version their side does.

I've given up and said "fuck it I'm down for whatever God does."
Last edited by Eternal Lotharia on Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Keyboard being a pain. Will take longer to do stuff until further notice.
This flag does not represent my nation being evil or nazi, fascist, etc., it's not. I'm also not any of those.
This nation's Policies partially represent my views, partially are experimental, same thing with how my nation is in RP.
Left-Wing Christian Pro-Life Pragmatic Populist. Oregonian.
Candidate for City Council of a large city.
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Just like your life.

Woah. Okay. Harsh. True, but harsh.


Telconi wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Will you all knock it off? Leave reruns where they belong, on Basic Cable.


It's the election thread. It is literally the basic cable of our society.

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Uiiop
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Uiiop » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:32 pm


You're going to have to sell me on it.

From what i understand the offensive pandering crap is in both. The movies(Well the non-cage ones) are only better because of the portrayal of the anti-Christ and "So-bad it's goodness" within it.

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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:32 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Aeritai wrote:
Interesting so after the tribulation we will all be beamed up into heaven?

After the Last Judgment.

Second coming actually. The going up is what precedes the final judgement
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Democratic Socialists

Postby Eternal Lotharia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:34 pm

Uiiop wrote:

You're going to have to sell me on it.

From what i understand the offensive pandering crap is in both. The movies(Well the non-cage ones) are only better because of the portrayal of the anti-Christ and "So-bad it's goodness" within it.

Ok the premise I love haven't read them.

Like it's a good idea with good interesting possibilities.
Keyboard being a pain. Will take longer to do stuff until further notice.
This flag does not represent my nation being evil or nazi, fascist, etc., it's not. I'm also not any of those.
This nation's Policies partially represent my views, partially are experimental, same thing with how my nation is in RP.
Left-Wing Christian Pro-Life Pragmatic Populist. Oregonian.
Candidate for City Council of a large city.
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Just like your life.

Woah. Okay. Harsh. True, but harsh.


Telconi wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Will you all knock it off? Leave reruns where they belong, on Basic Cable.


It's the election thread. It is literally the basic cable of our society.

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Tarsonis
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Founded: Sep 20, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:35 pm

Uiiop wrote:

You're going to have to sell me on it.

From what i understand the offensive pandering crap is in both. The movies(Well the non-cage ones) are only better because of the portrayal of the anti-Christ and "So-bad it's goodness" within it.


Depends which movie you watched: the Nick Cage version, or the lame version
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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