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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
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36%
Eastern Orthodox
85
9%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
6
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
57
6%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
96
10%
Methodist
16
2%
Baptist
95
10%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
72
8%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
37
4%
Other Christian
137
15%
 
Total votes : 935

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Postby Benuty » Fri May 24, 2019 5:01 am

Lost Memories wrote:
Benuty wrote:On another note, there is a particularly interesting video about a man building a cathedral brick by brick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNqRT5hKgQ4

It remains me of the slave chapel on Middleton Plantation, but with something far more grand in mind.

That old guy is amazing. And a madman for what concerns safety regulations :lol2:

I cracked up when he started to rant againts angles while talking with a architect.
"angles, acute angles, sharp corners, they're from the devil, the circle is god's"
"corners must be removed. they're from the devil - and ugly!"
:rofl:

Now there might be an explanation for the anti-angles thing. There used to be a saying the devil cannot hide in the corners so in one of the older church grounds in Charleston the "circular church" gets its name from when one of the buildings was designed in that mindset.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Fri May 24, 2019 9:02 am

This May 29th will be the 566th anniversary of Constantinople's Fall to the Turks
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri May 24, 2019 9:06 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:This May 29th will be the 566th anniversary of Constantinople's Fall to the Turks

Maybe it’s time for some....Deus Vult?
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Fri May 24, 2019 9:12 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:This May 29th will be the 566th anniversary of Constantinople's Fall to the Turks

Maybe it’s time for some....Deus Vult?

As long as its not to restore the Latin Empire...

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Postby The Archregimancy » Fri May 24, 2019 9:22 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:This May 29th will be the 566th anniversary of Constantinople's Fall to the Turks


I never get excited about 566th anniversaries.

Personally, I'm waiting for the 573rd anniversary.

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Fri May 24, 2019 9:56 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:This May 29th will be the 566th anniversary of Constantinople's Fall to the Turks


I never get excited about 566th anniversaries.

Personally, I'm waiting for the 573rd anniversary.

Why?

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Postby Minachia » Fri May 24, 2019 11:27 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:This May 29th will be the 566th anniversary of Constantinople's Fall to the Turks

Maybe it’s time for some....Deus Vult?

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Postby Pope Joan » Fri May 24, 2019 2:45 pm

Benuty wrote:
Lost Memories wrote:That old guy is amazing. And a madman for what concerns safety regulations :lol2:

I cracked up when he started to rant againts angles while talking with a architect.
"angles, acute angles, sharp corners, they're from the devil, the circle is god's"
"corners must be removed. they're from the devil - and ugly!"
:rofl:

Now there might be an explanation for the anti-angles thing. There used to be a saying the devil cannot hide in the corners so in one of the older church grounds in Charleston the "circular church" gets its name from when one of the buildings was designed in that mindset.


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Postby Salus Maior » Sat May 25, 2019 1:21 pm

You know, having gone to Confession a few times I really couldn't recommend it enough. It's a shame that so many people seem to be afraid of it.
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Postby Tarsonis » Sat May 25, 2019 3:13 pm

Salus Maior wrote:You know, having gone to Confession a few times I really couldn't recommend it enough. It's a shame that so many people seem to be afraid of it.


I’m still afraid of it lol.
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Postby Satterthwaite » Sat May 25, 2019 3:15 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:You know, having gone to Confession a few times I really couldn't recommend it enough. It's a shame that so many people seem to be afraid of it.


I’m still afraid of it lol.

Why so, if you don't mind me asking?
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Postby Tarsonis » Sat May 25, 2019 3:25 pm

Satterthwaite wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
I’m still afraid of it lol.

Why so, if you don't mind me asking?


Eh, it can be unnerving telling someone all your mistakes and screwups
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat May 25, 2019 5:45 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:You know, having gone to Confession a few times I really couldn't recommend it enough. It's a shame that so many people seem to be afraid of it.


I’m still afraid of it lol.


Well, if I recall correctly you had a rather bad time with a Dominican, right? That might be understandable haha.

Tbh, I was afraid at first. My first confession I totally bumbled through stuttering, but the priest at the church I go to is a great guy and he's been a lot of help and very patient.
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Postby Minachia » Sat May 25, 2019 5:48 pm

Salus Maior wrote:You know, having gone to Confession a few times I really couldn't recommend it enough. It's a shame that so many people seem to be afraid of it.

A thing that annoys me is the fact that Lutherans - even conservative Lutherans - still sometimes fall into the trap of rejecting things because they're "TOO CATHOLIC," for example how Private Confession is still a thing that we have yet it's not something the typical Lutheran layman goes to often (if ever) and it's not encouraged frequently by our pastors.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat May 25, 2019 10:44 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
I’m still afraid of it lol.


Well, if I recall correctly you had a rather bad time with a Dominican, right? That might be understandable haha.

Tbh, I was afraid at first. My first confession I totally bumbled through stuttering, but the priest at the church I go to is a great guy and he's been a lot of help and very patient.

Most of the ones I’ve gone to, if not all of them, have been very sweet and understanding. Once I went to confession and I was just crying, couldn’t even get words out, and the pastor (this young, joyful, tall beanstalk of a man) just gave me a huge hug. It was the best feeling. Everyone needs pastors like that. We of course are confessing to God in the confessional, but a pastor’s job is to represent God’s role as the High Priest, to bring God to us in that moment. And that’s best done when pastors are kind and merciful toward their bumbling flock.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun May 26, 2019 7:03 am

Minachia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:You know, having gone to Confession a few times I really couldn't recommend it enough. It's a shame that so many people seem to be afraid of it.

A thing that annoys me is the fact that Lutherans - even conservative Lutherans - still sometimes fall into the trap of rejecting things because they're "TOO CATHOLIC," for example how Private Confession is still a thing that we have yet it's not something the typical Lutheran layman goes to often (if ever) and it's not encouraged frequently by our pastors.


I actually didn't even know that Lutherans do confession.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun May 26, 2019 7:45 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
I never get excited about 566th anniversaries.

Personally, I'm waiting for the 573rd anniversary.

Why?


Because I like joking about pointless anniversaries.

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Postby Salus Maior » Sun May 26, 2019 7:46 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Why?


Because I like joking about pointless anniversaries.


Ah, good ol' Archaeologist humor.
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Postby Minachia » Sun May 26, 2019 7:50 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Minachia wrote:A thing that annoys me is the fact that Lutherans - even conservative Lutherans - still sometimes fall into the trap of rejecting things because they're "TOO CATHOLIC," for example how Private Confession is still a thing that we have yet it's not something the typical Lutheran layman goes to often (if ever) and it's not encouraged frequently by our pastors.


I actually didn't even know that Lutherans do confession.

Yeah, we usually just have corporate confession at the beginning of service, but there's still private confession for people who want it. Although, we usually don't use confessional boxes, instead the pastor just does it in his office.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun May 26, 2019 11:21 am

Minachia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
I actually didn't even know that Lutherans do confession.

Yeah, we usually just have corporate confession at the beginning of service, but there's still private confession for people who want it. Although, we usually don't use confessional boxes, instead the pastor just does it in his office.


Ah, right. I've done that before in an Anglican service.

I kind of hesitate to call corporate confession real confession though. Not because "muh Catholicism" but it's just a regular statement that we sinned and want forgiveness. I mean, yeah of course we've all sinned, that's the human condition.

I think confession in the traditional sense (or private confession as you call it) is more meaningful because it's particular. It's an admission of the sins that you struggle with most, and it helps one realize the weight of those sins on their own life (especially if you keep finding yourself confessing the same sins again and again). As opposed to just being like "Oh yeah, I sinned and want forgiveness" and then getting to receive the Eucharist.
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Postby Tarsonis » Sun May 26, 2019 4:48 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Minachia wrote:Yeah, we usually just have corporate confession at the beginning of service, but there's still private confession for people who want it. Although, we usually don't use confessional boxes, instead the pastor just does it in his office.


Ah, right. I've done that before in an Anglican service.

I kind of hesitate to call corporate confession real confession though. Not because "muh Catholicism" but it's just a regular statement that we sinned and want forgiveness. I mean, yeah of course we've all sinned, that's the human condition.

I think confession in the traditional sense (or private confession as you call it) is more meaningful because it's particular. It's an admission of the sins that you struggle with most, and it helps one realize the weight of those sins on their own life (especially if you keep finding yourself confessing the same sins again and again). As opposed to just being like "Oh yeah, I sinned and want forgiveness" and then getting to receive the Eucharist.


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Postby Nea Byzantia » Mon May 27, 2019 5:22 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Why?


Because I like joking about pointless anniversaries.

Why is the Fall of New Rome to the Muslims pointless? 1 year in Captivity is too long, let alone 566.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon May 27, 2019 5:30 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
Because I like joking about pointless anniversaries.

Why is the Fall of New Rome to the Muslims pointless? 1 year in Captivity is too long, let alone 566.


The fall of Constantinople to the Turks is one of the most significant markers in European history.

But generally 566th anniversaries don't loom large in the historical imagination; I doubt the Czechs will be making a fuss of the 566th anniversary of the crowning of Ladislas the Posthumous as King of Bohemia this October.

550th anniversaries are a different matter; and though it's highly unlikely I'll be alive to see it, I imagine the 600th anniversary will also be remembered by Orthodox and Turks alike - though for very different reasons, of course.

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Mon May 27, 2019 6:00 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Why is the Fall of New Rome to the Muslims pointless? 1 year in Captivity is too long, let alone 566.


The fall of Constantinople to the Turks is one of the most significant markers in European history.

But generally 566th anniversaries don't loom large in the historical imagination; I doubt the Czechs will be making a fuss of the 566th anniversary of the crowning of Ladislas the Posthumous as King of Bohemia this October.

550th anniversaries are a different matter; and though it's highly unlikely I'll be alive to see it, I imagine the 600th anniversary will also be remembered by Orthodox and Turks alike - though for very different reasons, of course.

Let's hope Constantinople is back in legitimate hands by the time the 600th anniversary (May 29th, 2053 AD) rolls around...Let's hope we Greeks can get our shit together by then.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon May 27, 2019 6:30 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
The fall of Constantinople to the Turks is one of the most significant markers in European history.

But generally 566th anniversaries don't loom large in the historical imagination; I doubt the Czechs will be making a fuss of the 566th anniversary of the crowning of Ladislas the Posthumous as King of Bohemia this October.

550th anniversaries are a different matter; and though it's highly unlikely I'll be alive to see it, I imagine the 600th anniversary will also be remembered by Orthodox and Turks alike - though for very different reasons, of course.

Let's hope Constantinople is back in legitimate hands by the time the 600th anniversary (May 29th, 2053 AD) rolls around...Let's hope we Greeks can get our shit together by then.


I wish the best of luck to the remaining c.3000 Greeks in Constantinople in wresting control of Istanbul from its c.15 million Turks.

I also wish the best of luck to all Nahuatl speakers in wresting control of Mexico City from the Spanish, and restoring Tenochtitlan to its rightful glory as capital of the Triple Alliance.

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