The Christian Discussion Thread X: Originally there were 15

[Diarcesia]

The fear that persecution will be inevitable because of minority status.

Dutch secularists and atheists should learn how to be tolerant then.

"I am a very tolerant person, and your religion is intolerant. Therefore, I will jeer and mock you."

Has the Paradox of Intolerance gone too far?

Most atheists are not like like that, just as most Christians don't wish harm or ridicule on nonbelievers.

[Camelone]

There doesn’t seem to be anything bad at all with the Four Articles and it definitely was more of a reform movement than a rebel sect, well the moderates not the radicals.

Yeah, it's a pity they aren't very present anymore

I don’t think there would be any reason for them to exist anymore. The problems they rose up against aren’t really a problem anymore. Historically yes they should be taught about because it is rather interesting.

[Camelone]

Dutch secularists and atheists should learn how to be tolerant then.

"I am a very tolerant person, and your religion is intolerant. Therefore, I will jeer and mock you."

Has the Paradox of Intolerance gone too far?

Most atheists are not like like that, just as most Christians don't wish harm or ridicule on nonbelievers.

No the jeering and mocking is pretty present and normal from my own experience. Granted it’s even worse when I inform people I’m training for the priesthood but that may be for different reasons. You can already assume the jokes I’ve heard all the time, it’s mostly those who are younger the older ones are more respectful. Again my own experiences so take it with a grain of salt.

[Diarcesia]

Has the Paradox of Intolerance gone too far?

Most atheists are not like like that, just as most Christians don't wish harm or ridicule on nonbelievers.

No the jeering and mocking is pretty present and normal from my own experience.

I see.

Granted it’s even worse when I inform people I’m training for the priesthood but that may be for different reasons.

I notice this at least in the case of the Catholic priesthood. They need to address their issues and stop putting on the blinders.

[Tarsonis]

and of course you misread context. Hakons is trying to offer support, Salus pointing out that Hakons isn’t realizing the direness of the kids position. He’s supporting the kid, you aren’t. There’s a time to debate about semantics, this isn’t one of them. Read the ducking room

FYI I am 22, so I am a adult

Sorry, in America we would still say you’re just a kid. It’s a weird thing.

[Luminesa]

FYI I am 22, so I am a adult

Sorry, in America we would still say you’re just a kid. It’s a weird thing.

I'm the same age and I still call myself a kid. When I finally get a job I'll just be a big kid with a job. XD

[Camelone]

No the jeering and mocking is pretty present and normal from my own experience.

I see.

Granted it’s even worse when I inform people I’m training for the priesthood but that may be for different reasons.

I notice this at least in the case of the Catholic priesthood. They need to address their issues and stop putting on the blinders.

Do wish to stress that’s my own experience and it may differ from place to place. The scandals in the Catholic priesthood effects even us who are training for the Anglican priesthood. Hopefully things are sorted out sooner rather than later because it is an absolutely horrid tragedy for this to continue.

[Diarcesia]

Do wish to stress that’s my own experience and it may differ from place to place.

Same here... Thought it goes without saying

The scandals in the Catholic priesthood effects even us who are training for the Anglican priesthood. Hopefully things are sorted out sooner rather than later because it is an absolutely horrid tragedy for this to continue.

Praying that they be guided on dealing with this.

[Diopolis]

Hey there, in my country I am constantly getting discriminated just because I am a Christian, and because of that I am afraid of going to the church, afraid to be beaten, but I want to be a good-living Christian who reads the bible a lot, and go to the church every Sunday without being afraid, and pray a lot. I did baptize myself, but I don't know if I am still a Christian then, because I am afraid to ask the pastor of my church because I've heard he will ask you many many questions, and that you have to study the bible. And I know a little about praying because I am not fed up as a Christian but rather someone with a mind of my own. I went to the catholic school so I know a very little bit about it. Has someone tips? I've been on crosswalk but that's in English and I can't find any Dutch website which helps me praying and I can read the prayer because I can't remember them properly

In the Gospel today St. Peter warns us that as Christians, we will be persecuted by the world. Remember your ancestors in the faith who suffered worse than beatings for being Christians.
Yes, the pastor of a church will most likely ask you questions and insist that you are catechized before baptism. But baptism and entry into the church community is a command. Perhaps your pastor can instruct you on the way of prayer?

[Nordengrund]

There doesn’t seem to be anything bad at all with the Four Articles and it definitely was more of a reform movement than a rebel sect, well the moderates not the radicals.

Yeah, it's a pity they aren't very present anymore

There is the Moravian Church, or Unitas Fratum, which is based on the teachings of Jan Huss.

[Hakons]

You can already assume the jokes I’ve heard all the time

I got one of those when I just posted a picture with my Bishop. The abuse crisis is a grave matter, not a joking matter, and associating every image of a clergyman with it is terrible in itself, so I was really at a loss on what to say. It's obviously a minor gripe, but it does show general societal attitudes are somewhat anticlerical.

[Duhon]

Apparently this is a thing that happened.

[Nea Byzantia]

Today I went to an Orthodox service for a recently deceased member of the Russian community (not particularly close, but my parents were and I know her son). Even though the Church itself was modest, it was bedecked with beautiful icons and representations of Saints and Apostles, and the service itself was masterfully carried out be the priest, his wife and another singer (singing prayers, incense, bowing and signing the Cross). Very spiritual. I was impressed.

Glad to hear.

[Luminesa]

Apparently this is a thing that happened.

This man is based.

[Luminesa]

You can already assume the jokes I’ve heard all the time

I got one of those when I just posted a picture with my Bishop. The abuse crisis is a grave matter, not a joking matter, and associating every image of a clergyman with it is terrible in itself, so I was really at a loss on what to say. It's obviously a minor gripe, but it does show general societal attitudes are somewhat anticlerical.

I’m sorry, who does that at someone who just got brought into the Church on Easter Vigil?!

[Nea Byzantia]

I got one of those when I just posted a picture with my Bishop. The abuse crisis is a grave matter, not a joking matter, and associating every image of a clergyman with it is terrible in itself, so I was really at a loss on what to say. It's obviously a minor gripe, but it does show general societal attitudes are somewhat anticlerical.

I’m sorry, who does that at someone who just got brought into the Church on Easter Vigil?!

A godless atheist...

[Minachia]

Apparently this is a thing that happened.

This man is based.

"I didn't do it because I was drunk," he reportedly added.
What, does Rome have a drunk Cardinal problem?

[Nea Byzantia]

This man is based.

"I didn't do it because I was drunk," he reportedly added.
What, does Rome have a drunk Cardinal problem?

Probably...Not the only issue either.

[Diopolis]

This man is based.

"I didn't do it because I was drunk," he reportedly added.
What, does Rome have a drunk Cardinal problem?

Vatican city has the world's highest per capita wine consumption. And most priests I've known have been a hop, skip and a jump away from alcoholism.
So probably.

[Duhon]

This man is based.

"I didn't do it because I was drunk," he reportedly added.
What, does Rome have a drunk Cardinal problem?

Well, if drunk cardinals lead to random acts of sewer-crawling generosity then I say ply them with the finest red wine.

[Hakons]

I’m sorry, who does that at someone who just got brought into the Church on Easter Vigil?!

A godless atheist...

No, it was a photo about two months before Easter, and the comment came from a Protestant friend. Protestants tend to be anticlerical too, though my friend was trying to make a joke and not acting in bad faith, it just was a bit jarring.

[Benuty]

A godless atheist...

No, it was a photo about two months before Easter, and the comment came from a Protestant friend. Protestants tend to be anticlerical too, though my friend was trying to make a joke and not acting in bad faith, it just was a bit jarring.

Protestants tend to be too anticlerical, and schismatic for my liking. I mean the initial wave of Protestantism had a point, but eventually, it just devolved into a madhouse that gave way for cults to arise such as the Jehovah Witnesses.

[Bienenhalde]

Protestants tend to be too anticlerical, and schismatic for my liking. I mean the initial wave of Protestantism had a point, but eventually, it just devolved into a madhouse that gave way for cults to arise such as the Jehovah Witnesses.

So true. I completely agree. #High-church Anglo-Lutheran Gang

[Tarsonis]

No, it was a photo about two months before Easter, and the comment came from a Protestant friend. Protestants tend to be anticlerical too, though my friend was trying to make a joke and not acting in bad faith, it just was a bit jarring.

Protestants tend to be too anticlerical, and schismatic for my liking. I mean the initial wave of Protestantism had a point, but eventually, it just devolved into a madhouse that gave way for cults to arise such as the Jehovah Witnesses.

One thing I’ll say for Luther is he never intended to separate from the Church, the Church forced his hand on that one... but after that he kinda just ran with it.

[Nea Byzantia]

Protestants tend to be too anticlerical, and schismatic for my liking. I mean the initial wave of Protestantism had a point, but eventually, it just devolved into a madhouse that gave way for cults to arise such as the Jehovah Witnesses.

One thing I’ll say for Luther is he never intended to separate from the Church, the Church forced his AJ demon that one... but after that he kinda just ran with it.

If only the Pope didn't start all this shit in 1054...