The Christian Discussion Thread X: Originally there were 15

[Pope Joan]

By the standards of his Christian supporters, he would not be considered a Christian.

That's some blatant fucking bullshit.

There is nothing else I can do for the damned. Enlighten me with scripture if you feel otherwise.

You could not exert condescending pity on them. Tars has the right idea. Whether or not hell is permanent (torturing someone for eternity as 'punishment' makes no sense, since a punishment implies the ability to demonstrate rehabilitation), people who are there shouldn't be pitied as if any of us are any better than them.

Sometimes punishment is intended to promote rehabiliitation, which is why a penitentiary implies "penance".
But especially these days it is officially justified as simple retribution. It makes us feel good to punish the guilty, and we do not care whether or not it brings them any benefit

[Grenartia]

That's some blatant fucking bullshit.



You could not exert condescending pity on them. Tars has the right idea. Whether or not hell is permanent (torturing someone for eternity as 'punishment' makes no sense, since a punishment implies the ability to demonstrate rehabilitation), people who are there shouldn't be pitied as if any of us are any better than them.

Sometimes punishment is intended to promote rehabiliitation, which is why a penitentiary implies "penance".
But especially these days it is officially justified as simple retribution. It makes us feel good to punish the guilty, and we do not care whether or not it brings them any benefit

And that makes the world a worse place, and it needs to change.

[Northern Davincia]

You could not exert condescending pity on them. Tars has the right idea. Whether or not hell is permanent (torturing someone for eternity as 'punishment' makes no sense, since a punishment implies the ability to demonstrate rehabilitation), people who are there shouldn't be pitied as if any of us are any better than them.

The righteous are objectively better than those in Hell, but that's besides the point. I genuinely feel sorry for the people who made such terrible life choices that they're now condemned to a second death.

[Auristania]

That's some blatant fucking bullshit.



You could not exert condescending pity on them. Tars has the right idea. Whether or not hell is permanent (torturing someone for eternity as 'punishment' makes no sense, since a punishment implies the ability to demonstrate rehabilitation), people who are there shouldn't be pitied as if any of us are any better than them.

Lewis Carroll resolved the Paradox. Infinite punishment for finite Sin is unjust.
All you gotta do is translate the Greek word "aeon" NOT as eternal punishment; translate it as punishment for a very long time,

[Northern Davincia]

Lewis Carroll resolved the Paradox. Infinite punishment for finite Sin is unjust.
All you gotta do is translate the Greek word "aeon" NOT as eternal punishment; translate it as punishment for a very long time,

And what of mentioning eternal life?

[Hakons]

Lewis Carroll resolved the Paradox. Infinite punishment for finite Sin is unjust.
All you gotta do is translate the Greek word "aeon" NOT as eternal punishment; translate it as punishment for a very long time,

Sin is not finite, or a number of sins. It is a qualitative measure, not quantitative. All sin is an infinite transgression against God. When we say that we are sinful, we are not saying that we committed a certain number of sins, but that we are qualitatively sinners, as opposed to righteous. Additionally, I'll prefer the words of Christ over whoever Lewis Carroll is. Alternatively, we could also look at the Church in Greece and see that they interpret Hell as being eternal as well, with the exception of UMN's mentioning of the Orthodox opinion held by some that people may be saved from Hell (though obviously not all people, which is what you claim).

[Nea Byzantia]

Christ Has Risen, my Orthodox Brothers and Sisters!

Last week, someone on my region's Discord server called me a heretic and an infidel for celebrating Easter then.
Just thought I should share that.

You mean Catholic Easter (last Sunday) or Pascha (this past Sunday)?

[The New California Republic]

Lewis Carroll resolved the Paradox. Infinite punishment for finite Sin is unjust.

I'll prefer the words of Christ over whoever Lewis Carroll is.

*SIGH*

[Diopolis]

Lewis Carroll resolved the Paradox. Infinite punishment for finite Sin is unjust.
All you gotta do is translate the Greek word "aeon" NOT as eternal punishment; translate it as punishment for a very long time,

Sin is not finite, or a number of sins. It is a qualitative measure, not quantitative. All sin is an infinite transgression against God. When we say that we are sinful, we are not saying that we committed a certain number of sins, but that we are qualitatively sinners, as opposed to righteous. Additionally, I'll prefer the words of Christ over whoever Lewis Carroll is.

He was a drug addicted Victorian poet.

[The New California Republic]

Sin is not finite, or a number of sins. It is a qualitative measure, not quantitative. All sin is an infinite transgression against God. When we say that we are sinful, we are not saying that we committed a certain number of sins, but that we are qualitatively sinners, as opposed to righteous. Additionally, I'll prefer the words of Christ over whoever Lewis Carroll is.

He was a drug addicted Victorian poet.

Nope:

The book’s themes and characters are so bizarre that in the 1960’s rumours began to surface that Lewis Carroll wrote the book under the influence of drugs, particularly opium or laudanum.

It’s a tempting theory – after all the story has Alice eating ‘magic’ mushrooms and meeting hookah smoking caterpillars.

However, most experts agree that while the tale is weird, it is simply excellent fanciful writing and there is no evidence to suggest Carroll was a drug user.

http://yestervid.com/was-lewis-carroll- ... onderland/

[Minachia]

Last week, someone on my region's Discord server called me a heretic and an infidel for celebrating Easter then.
Just thought I should share that.

You mean Catholic Easter (last Sunday) or Pascha (this past Sunday)?

I mean Catholic Easter.
The guy was a Russian.

EDIT:

[Nea Byzantia]

You mean Catholic Easter (last Sunday) or Pascha (this past Sunday)?

I mean Catholic Easter.
The guy was a Russian.

While I agree that the Catholics are "heretical", I don't agree with the Methodology. Calling you names isn't going to help anything.

[Minachia]

I mean Catholic Easter.
The guy was a Russian.

While I agree that the Catholics are "heretical", I don't agree with the Methodology. Calling you names isn't going to help anything.

This just occurred to me: I should probably tell you that I'm not a Catholic.
Or at least, if I am a Catholic, then I'm a Catholic of the Augsburg Confession.

[Auristania]

Lewis Carroll resolved the Paradox. Infinite punishment for finite Sin is unjust.
All you gotta do is translate the Greek word "aeon" NOT as eternal punishment; translate it as punishment for a very long time,

Sin is not finite, or a number of sins. It is a qualitative measure, not quantitative. All sin is an infinite transgression against God. When we say that we are sinful, we are not saying that we committed a certain number of sins, but that we are qualitatively sinners, as opposed to righteous. Additionally, I'll prefer the words of Christ over whoever Lewis Carroll is. Alternatively, we could also look at the Church in Greece and see that they interpret Hell as being eternal as well, with the exception of UMN's mentioning of the Orthodox opinion held by some that people may be saved from Hell (though obviously not all people, which is what you claim).

Scripture clearly defines Sin as a measurable quantity: BV Mary committed the sin of bearing a boy-child and sacrificed 2 pigeons. If Jesus had been a girl, Jesa? then BVM would have sacrificed 4 turtle doves. Abraham's sin of spawning the mopey teenager Isaac was kill the child OR a goat will do. Other sins cost one cow, 10 cows, the life of the sinner, the lives of all his family etc. etc. etc. Scripture is replete with numerical evaluations for Sin

[Northern Davincia]

Sin is not finite, or a number of sins. It is a qualitative measure, not quantitative. All sin is an infinite transgression against God. When we say that we are sinful, we are not saying that we committed a certain number of sins, but that we are qualitatively sinners, as opposed to righteous. Additionally, I'll prefer the words of Christ over whoever Lewis Carroll is. Alternatively, we could also look at the Church in Greece and see that they interpret Hell as being eternal as well, with the exception of UMN's mentioning of the Orthodox opinion held by some that people may be saved from Hell (though obviously not all people, which is what you claim).

Scripture clearly defines Sin as a measurable quantity: BV Mary committed the sin of bearing a boy-child and sacrificed 2 pigeons. If Jesus had been a girl, Jesa? then BVM would have sacrificed 4 turtle doves. Abraham's sin of spawning the mopey teenager Isaac was kill the child OR a goat will do. Other sins cost one cow, 10 cows, the life of the sinner, the lives of all his family etc. etc. etc. Scripture is replete with numerical evaluations for Sin

Not quite. Sacrifices aren't equivalent to repentance, and your examples are terrible.

[Hakons]

I'll prefer the words of Christ over whoever Lewis Carroll is.

*SIGH*

I should have known that

Sin is not finite, or a number of sins. It is a qualitative measure, not quantitative. All sin is an infinite transgression against God. When we say that we are sinful, we are not saying that we committed a certain number of sins, but that we are qualitatively sinners, as opposed to righteous. Additionally, I'll prefer the words of Christ over whoever Lewis Carroll is. Alternatively, we could also look at the Church in Greece and see that they interpret Hell as being eternal as well, with the exception of UMN's mentioning of the Orthodox opinion held by some that people may be saved from Hell (though obviously not all people, which is what you claim).

Scripture clearly defines Sin as a measurable quantity: BV Mary committed the sin of bearing a boy-child and sacrificed 2 pigeons. If Jesus had been a girl, Jesa? then BVM would have sacrificed 4 turtle doves. Abraham's sin of spawning the mopey teenager Isaac was kill the child OR a goat will do. Other sins cost one cow, 10 cows, the life of the sinner, the lives of all his family etc. etc. etc. Scripture is replete with numerical evaluations for Sin

Sins isn't tallied up for a "score." Sin is a state, not a quantitative value. Christians don't do sacrifices, because Christ is our sacrificial Lamb. All of our sins are forgiven by His crucifixion, whether we committed one sin or a million. Starting your examples with claiming Mary committed a sin is a great way to get Catholics to ignore you, though having children isn't even a sin.

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

Scripture clearly defines Sin as a measurable quantity: BV Mary committed the sin of bearing a boy-child and sacrificed 2 pigeons. If Jesus had been a girl, Jesa? then BVM would have sacrificed 4 turtle doves. Abraham's sin of spawning the mopey teenager Isaac was kill the child OR a goat will do. Other sins cost one cow, 10 cows, the life of the sinner, the lives of all his family etc. etc. etc. Scripture is replete with numerical evaluations for Sin

Not quite. Sacrifices aren't equivalent to repentance, and your examples are terrible.

If I'm correct, sacrifices are like """pay debt cards" which you can bascially replace you from being punished for your sins by having someone be in your place. While repentance are more like "I won't get more debt" where you want to change your life to follow Christ.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Hello, non-Gnostics

[Minachia]

Hello, non-Gnostics

Hallo. Welcome to the CDT. I'm your friendly neighborhood Confessional Lutheran.

[Northern Davincia]

Hello, non-Gnostics

Daily reminder that Gnosticism is heresy.

[Tarsonis]

Sin is not finite, or a number of sins. It is a qualitative measure, not quantitative. All sin is an infinite transgression against God. When we say that we are sinful, we are not saying that we committed a certain number of sins, but that we are qualitatively sinners, as opposed to righteous. Additionally, I'll prefer the words of Christ over whoever Lewis Carroll is. Alternatively, we could also look at the Church in Greece and see that they interpret Hell as being eternal as well, with the exception of UMN's mentioning of the Orthodox opinion held by some that people may be saved from Hell (though obviously not all people, which is what you claim).

Scripture clearly defines Sin as a measurable quantity: BV Mary committed the sin of bearing a boy-child and sacrificed 2 pigeons. If Jesus had been a girl, Jesa? then BVM would have sacrificed 4 turtle doves. Abraham's sin of spawning the mopey teenager Isaac was kill the child OR a goat will do. Other sins cost one cow, 10 cows, the life of the sinner, the lives of all his family etc. etc. etc. Scripture is replete with numerical evaluations for Sin

St. Mary was sinless. Your argument is invalid.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Hello, non-Gnostics

Daily reminder that Gnosticism is heresy.

That's exactly what someone lacking knowledge would say.

[Northern Davincia]

Daily reminder that Gnosticism is heresy.

That's exactly what someone lacking knowledge would say.

Belief in a demiurge is paganism at its finest. There's no scriptural basis for it whatsoever.

[Benuty]

Hello, non-Gnostics

As if that's something to be proud of, I would rather be a Bahai because at least they didn't get kinky for the sake of spiritual expression.

[Benuty]

That's exactly what someone lacking knowledge would say.

Belief in a demiurge is paganism at its finest. There's no scriptural basis for it whatsoever.

It's not the worst gnostic belief out there.