The Christian Discussion Thread X: Originally there were 15

[Northern Davincia]

Smith isn't very different from Muhammad

By that logic, most Theologians are the same.

Most theologians don't add onto preexisting scripture for their own benefit.

Smith isn't very different from Muhammad, and Calvin is intolerable.

Right, but he's still technically a founder of a branch of Christianity, and agreed on Calvin

The gap between Christianity and Mormonism is about as wide as the gap between us and Judaism.

[Hakons]

After some feedback, list version two:

Paul the Apostle
Arius
Augustine of Hippo
John Chrysostom
Thomas Aquinas
Martin Luther
John Calvin
John Wesley
Billy Graham
Other

Arius was added because he led Arianism, a very large heretical movement. Other was added as well.

Possible adds:

Nestorius
Arminius
John Bunyan
Origen
Athanasius
Jerome
Bede the Venerable
Swingli
On and on and on...

+Joseph Smith

I don't think you'd get many votes for Arius. Also I think Eastern Christianity is a little underrepresented.

Perhaps it might be worth, given the vast number of potential candidates, having a series of polls for favourite theologians from different eras?

Yes, that would be much better. Trying to balance the different eras of Christianity and the different interpretations during those eras makes it impossible to have one poll.

[Auze]

The short answer is of course that everyone is a heretic (if you include other major world religions)

Oh the protestants hate the catholics
And the catholics hate the protestants
And the hindus hate the muslims
And everybody hates the jews

[Auze]

I don't think you'd get many votes for Arius. Also I think Eastern Christianity is a little underrepresented.

Perhaps it might be worth, given the vast number of potential candidates, having a series of polls for favourite theologians from different eras?

Yes, that would be much better. Trying to balance the different eras of Christianity and the different interpretations during those eras makes it impossible to have one poll.

One way you could make the poll is maybe taking the phrase "Deus vult", and modifying it for each belief?

[Deltanium]

My fave pope is Pope John Paul II

[Pasong Tirad]

Different eras for different theologians sounds like a good idea. 0-999, 1000 - 1500, 1501 - 1800, 1800 - 1899, 1900 - present.

[Hakons]

Poll for early (before the fall of the Western Roman Empire) Christian theologians?

Paul the Apostle
Justin Martyr
Origen
Athanasius
Arius
Augustine of Hippo
John Chrysostom
Irenaeus
Nestorius
Other

Still hard to narrow it down

[Stonok]

For a poll, maybe favorite theologian. Could learn something new from that!

This seems like a good idea.

[Stonok]

Also include heretical theologians so we can sort out who to burn.

[Auze]

By that logic, most Theologians are the same.

Most theologians don't add onto preexisting scripture for their own benefit.

My point was that if we are saying they are the same by how they gained their ideas, one could say that there is really nothing separating St. Augustine or Arius.

Right, but he's still technically a founder of a branch of Christianity, and agreed on Calvin

The gap between Christianity and Mormonism is about as wide as the gap between us and Judaism.

It's official, Northern Davincia is secretly Jewish.

But anyway, this is a bit of a tangent from the true purpose of this thread: what should be our poll?

Also include heretical theologians so we can sort out who to burn.

I have a fire hose ready.

[Hakons]

Also include heretical theologians so we can sort out who to burn.

We will subpoena the poll demographics!

[Northern Davincia]

Also include heretical theologians so we can sort out who to burn.

I like this plan.

[Auze]

Also include heretical theologians so we can sort out who to burn.

I like this plan.

Of course you do.

[Northern Davincia]

I like this plan.

Of course you do.

The inquisition never rests and neither do I.
My sleep schedule is a total mess as a result.

[Angleter]

I don't think you'd get many votes for Arius. Also I think Eastern Christianity is a little underrepresented.

Perhaps it might be worth, given the vast number of potential candidates, having a series of polls for favourite theologians from different eras?

Yes, that would be much better. Trying to balance the different eras of Christianity and the different interpretations during those eras makes it impossible to have one poll.

Perhaps for the ante-Nicene era (those who flourished before c. 300 c.350):

Paul the Apostle
Justin Martyr
Irenaeus
Origen
Tertullian
Marcion
Ignatius Athanasius
Polycarp Arius
Clement of Rome Hilary of Poitiers
Other

[Auze]

Of course you do.

The inquisition never rests and neither do I.
My sleep schedule is a total mess as a result.

I recommend melatonin, and maybe trying out the 28 hour day for short term increase in inquisition time. In the meantime I am going to settle in the middle of the desert.

[Stonok]

I don't think you'd get many votes for Arius.

You never know, back when I tried my hand at the whole theology game I found myself arguing for Arianism by complete accident. Perhaps some know-it-alls similar to myself will stumble upon the thread.

[Lord Dominator]

Of course you do.

The inquisition never rests and neither do I.
My sleep schedule is a total mess as a result.

My sleep schedule is a mess and I barely do any burning of things

[NewLakotah]

Yes, that would be much better. Trying to balance the different eras of Christianity and the different interpretations during those eras makes it impossible to have one poll.

Perhaps for the ante-Nicene era (those who flourished before c. 300 c.350):

Paul the Apostle
Justin Martyr
Irenaeus
Origen
Tertullian
Marcion
Ignatius Athanasius
Polycarp Arius
Clement of Rome Hilary of Poitiers
Other

That's not too bad of a list. Though I would keep Ignatius.

[Pope Joan]

"Jesus is God".

Anybody who cannot say those three words out loud is either an Arian or an adoptionist.


Which I think would include most of the Presbyterian Church.

[Stonok]

"Jesus is God".

Anybody who cannot say those three words out loud is either an Arian or an adoptionist.


Which I think would include most of the Presbyterian Church.

I've never met a Presbyterian who didn't believe in the Trinity. In fact I've watched some Presbyterians berate nontrinitarians.

[Pope Joan]

"Jesus is God
Anybody who cannot say those three words out loud is either an Arian or an adoptionist.


Which I think would include most of the Presbyterian Church.

I've never met a Presbyterian who didn't believe in the Trinity. In fact I've watched some Presbyterians berate nontrinitarians.

Oh sure there is the Trinity, but there is often an implicit hierarchy. Why do we insist on always adding "Son of"? Does that not imply "lesser than"? It often does imply that, when we speak of families.

I am even one inch shorter than my own father.

[Stonok]

I've never met a Presbyterian who didn't believe in the Trinity. In fact I've watched some Presbyterians berate nontrinitarians.

Oh sure there is the Trinity, but there is often an implicit hierarchy. Why do we insist on always adding "Son of"? Does that not imply "lesser than"? It often does imply that, when we speak of families.

I am even one inch shorter than my own father.

Because that's the particular term used most often in the Gospels, the primary source of knowledge about Christ for the average Christian?

[Pope Joan]

Oh sure there is the Trinity, but there is often an implicit hierarchy. Why do we insist on always adding "Son of"? Does that not imply "lesser than"? It often does imply that, when we speak of families.

I am even one inch shorter than my own father.

Because that's the particular term used most often in the Gospels, the primary source of knowledge about Christ for the average Christian?

Hpw often do you hear anybody say "very God of very God"? Not often.
It is like he is a handmedown version of the Father who is the REAL God.
Muslims also call Hesus the Son of GOd, which is nice, but not quite enough.

[Hakons]

Because that's the particular term used most often in the Gospels, the primary source of knowledge about Christ for the average Christian?

Hpw often do you hear anybody say "very God of very God"? Not often.
It is like he is a handmedown version of the Father who is the REAL God.
Muslims also call Hesus the Son of GOd, which is nice, but not quite enough.

Referring to Christ as the Son of God does not diminish Him. The Son is one part of the Trinity. Praising God or praising the Son of God is the same thing.