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[Tarsonis]

What do you all think of Halloween? Personally, I regard it as a festivity of pagan witchcraft. It has its origins in Irish mythical religions, where it was a day to celebrate the dead. And it is one of the major holidays of the Wicca religion

That's because Wicca was founded by 20th century occultist fanboy Gerald Gardner. He incorporated Halloween because it's "spooky" not for any really ancient religious custom. While the Jack O' Lantern and the custom of putting out food might have originated in Celtic Pagan myth, to scare away /feed the dead today they're little more than harmless fun, just like Christmas decorations.

Halloween is a contemporary way of saying "Hallow's eve," the night before All Saint's Day. It's based off the Liturgical Calendar.

[United Muscovite Nations]

What do you all think of Halloween? Personally, I regard it as a festivity of pagan witchcraft. It has its origins in Irish mythical religions, where it was a day to celebrate the dead. And it is one of the major holidays of the Wicca religion

That's because Wicca was founded by 20th century occultist fanboy Gerald Gardner. He incorporated Halloween because it's "spooky" not for any really ancient religious custom. While the Jack O' Lantern and the custom of putting out food might have originated in Celtic Pagan myth, to scare away /feed the dead today they're little more than harmless fun, just like Christmas decorations.

Halloween is a contemporary way of saying "Hallow's eve," the night before All Saint's Day. It's based off the Liturgical Calendar.

What Tars said. Continuing to associate certain days of the week with Pagan superstitions centuries after those superstitions have died is giving way too much credence to said pagan superstitions.

[Hakons]

I have voted 'Lutheran or reformed' because I am still a member of the Protestant Church of the Netherlands. However, I haven't been in church for years and would classify myself more as being somewhere between a Christian, a socialist, and a humanist.

Welcome to the CDT! I would of course encourage you to go to Church. They will talk about Christ, some parts of socialism, and original humanism (that is, the Christian humanism developed in the Renaissance).

As for the trouble with things contrary to science as we understand it, it is important to know that they Bible does not need to be understood literally for everything. Scripture has literal, moral, and prophetic meaning, and I don't think the Protestant Church of the Netherlands dogmatically enforces a literal view of creation.

[Diopolis]

Douay-Rheims with Challoner notes is the master race of bible translations.

I'm curious about the DR Bible, heard a lot of traditionally-minded Catholics are a fan of it. Is it pretty easy to understand/accurate translation? I know it's an older translation so I don't know if it'll be like the KJV and be hard to understand.

Depends on the version of Douay-Rheims. There are several that use the same fundamental translations made in the colleges at Douay and Rheims.
The original Douay-Rheims is... basically still in Latin, only also in middle English. The style of the 1611 KJV was very loosely based on it, without the latinisms.
The Douay-Rheims was revised several times over the years. In the nineteenth century, shortly after the reestablishment of the Catholic hierarchy in England, bishop Challoner revised it again- making the language easier to understand while keeping the stylistic choices reminiscent of the KJV, several Latinisms(particularly in transliterations of originally Hebrew names- Joshua is transliterated as Josue, for instance), and adding commentary notes at points throughout the text(these are clearly labeled as commentary and no part of the biblical text; in many ways they're essentially footnotes). The DRC also keeps the older, traditional Catholic way of numbering psalms. It's an accurate translation from the Vulgate and it sounds a lot like KJV.

[Nordengrund]

Sorta. I’m no expert on Mormonism, but I think they believe that the Christian God (specifically the Father) was once mortal like us but ascended to Godhood. You could argue they do believe in the Trinity, but define it differently from traditional Christianity. You could compare to the U.S. government where it has three separate branches but there is only one government. So in Mormonism, you’d have three separate individuals working together as as one God.

So where’d the universe come from?

Supposedly, there were Gods prior to the Christian God, so maybe one of them made the universe. Again though, I’m not an authority on Mormonism.

[Diopolis]

What do you all think of Halloween? Personally, I regard it as a festivity of pagan witchcraft. It has its origins in Irish mythical religions, where it was a day to celebrate the dead. And it is one of the major holidays of the Wicca religion

Halloween is a day of remembering Hell. On that day we should remember that Hell is real and people go there; we should pray that we do not and begin our vigil of prayer for those in purgatory.
Trick-or-treating is just secular custom that came out of ruffianism.

[Lord Dominator]

Pretty sure only the former and latter are close to being contradictory, so I'm not sure how one can be somewhere between them

Christian humanism is a thing, and has been a thing for centuries. Indeed, one of its more prominent proponents was Dutch, so I see nothing inherently contradictory there for someone who professes to still be a member of the Protestant Church of the Netherlands.

The application of 'humanism' to a non-theistic worldview is a very recent phenomenon.

My point was indeed that I didn't see any inherent contradiction between the three, more or less

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What do you all think of Halloween? Personally, I regard it as a festivity of pagan witchcraft. It has its origins in Irish mythical religions, where it was a day to celebrate the dead. And it is one of the major holidays of the Wicca religion

Halloween is a day of remembering Hell. On that day we should remember that Hell is real and people go there; we should pray that we do not and begin our vigil of prayer for those in purgatory.
Trick-or-treating is just secular custom that came out of ruffianism.

Is Halloween, All Hallow's Eve, not a part of the 3 day period of remembrance of saints and martyrs that occurs at the beginning of November? I do not think it is common Christian doctrine to associate it with hell.

[Diopolis]

Halloween is a day of remembering Hell. On that day we should remember that Hell is real and people go there; we should pray that we do not and begin our vigil of prayer for those in purgatory.
Trick-or-treating is just secular custom that came out of ruffianism.

Is Halloween, All Hallow's Eve, not a part of the 3 day period of remembrance of saints and martyrs that occurs at the beginning of November? I do not think it is common Christian doctrine to associate it with hell.

The triduum of death begins on halloween and lasts until the end of all souls day. Of the three, Halloween is dedicated to remembering those in Hell, All Saints day is dedicated to remembering those in Heaven, and All Souls day is dedicated to remembering those in purgatory.

[Stonok]

Wait, Mormons are polytheists?

They believe that they can become like Christ as a God (IIRC, from earlier instances where this was discussed).

Yes, after which they think they can rule over a planet. If you read Joseph's partial translation of the Bible from the forged Egyptian papyri (Now called the Pearl of Great Price) he also describes Earth as being created by "The Gods" rather than God.

[VW53Aland]

Welcome to the CDT!
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I don't think the Protestant Church of the Netherlands dogmatically enforces a literal view of creation.

Thanks.

No, I don't think so neither. At least not where I come from. But people tend to think of reformed people as stiff headed literalists.

[Tarsonis]

To know Mormonism is false, we need only look at the hypothesis of Christ, as told by St. Ireneaus. Mormonism twists scripture towards unGodly ends. There is no unrevealed Heavenly Father above YHWH. Indeed there is none greater than YHWH. Lucifer is not Christ’s brother, indeed the devils name isn’t even Lucifer. Deification means we become holy, with minds toward that of Godly things, instead of earthly things. Not that we become gods ourselves. Indeed there is no god but the blessed Trinity. Mormonism is simply incompatible with the Gospel.

[Lower Nubia]

To know Mormonism is false, we need only look at the hypothesis of Christ, as told by St. Ireneaus. Mormonism twists scripture towards unGodly ends. There is no unrevealed Heavenly Father above YHWH. Indeed there is none greater than YHWH. Lucifer is not Christ’s brother, indeed the devils name isn’t even Lucifer. Deification means we become holy, with minds toward that of Godly things, instead of earthly things. Not that we become gods ourselves. Mormonism is simply incompatible with the Gospel.

That's why they added a fourth book to the desert trilogy, a spin-off series worse than the third book.

[Salus Maior]

Perhaps. They believe that while the three beings are physically distinct, in Mormon theology they are one in thoughts, actions, and purpose and commonly referred to collectively as the "Godhead".

Huh. So, that session where Jesus pleaded with God to save him, and God was basically “fuck that, you’re on your own”, how does that fit in?

Nowhere? Cause it didn't happen?

[Northern Davincia]

To know Mormonism is false, we need only look at the hypothesis of Christ, as told by St. Ireneaus. Mormonism twists scripture towards unGodly ends. There is no unrevealed Heavenly Father above YHWH. Indeed there is none greater than YHWH. Lucifer is not Christ’s brother, indeed the devils name isn’t even Lucifer. Deification means we become holy, with minds toward that of Godly things, instead of earthly things. Not that we become gods ourselves. Mormonism is simply incompatible with the Gospel.

That's why they added a fourth book to the desert trilogy, a spin-off series worse than the third book.

Can't wait for the Disney reboot.

[Tarsonis]

Huh. So, that session where Jesus pleaded with God to save him, and God was basically “fuck that, you’re on your own”, how does that fit in?

Nowhere? Cause it didn't happen?

I believe he's crudely referring to Gethsemane and lets face it, Ian Gillan or bust.

[Kowani]

Huh. So, that session where Jesus pleaded with God to save him, and God was basically “fuck that, you’re on your own”, how does that fit in?

Nowhere? Cause it didn't happen?

And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. ...
O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. Matthew 26:36-42
And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him. And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. Mark 14:35-36

And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luke 22:41-42

Look at that, Christ got crucified.

[Northern Davincia]

Nowhere? Cause it didn't happen?

And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. ...
O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. Matthew 26:36-42
And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him. And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. Mark 14:35-36

And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luke 22:41-42

Look at that, Christ got crucified.

As was the will of the Father, which Christ prayed be done.

[Luminesa]

Nowhere? Cause it didn't happen?

And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. ...
O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. Matthew 26:36-42
And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him. And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. Mark 14:35-36

And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luke 22:41-42

Look at that, Christ got crucified.

I bolded the important bit. Christ struggled because His human nature instinctively feared death. But He overcame it, and of His own volition God Himself chose to die for us on a cross.

[Kowani]

And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. ...
O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. Matthew 26:36-42
And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him. And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. Mark 14:35-36

And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luke 22:41-42

Look at that, Christ got crucified.

I bolded the important bit. Christ struggled because His human nature instinctively feared death. But He overcame it, and of His own volition God Himself chose to die for us on a cross.

The point I originally made was that Jesus did plead with God to avoid death. He may have accepted it later, but he did fight it.

[Luminesa]

I bolded the important bit. Christ struggled because His human nature instinctively feared death. But He overcame it, and of His own volition God Himself chose to die for us on a cross.

The point I originally made was that Jesus did plead with God to avoid death. He may have accepted it later, but he did fight it.

Right. The Passion of the Christ does a good job I think, with depicting how harrowing the idea of crucifixion was, and how the Devil amplified the fear in His mind, as he does with all of us.

[Kowani]

The point I originally made was that Jesus did plead with God to avoid death. He may have accepted it later, but he did fight it.

Right. The Passion of the Christ does a good job I think, with depicting how harrowing the idea of crucifixion was, and how the Devil amplified the fear in His mind, as he does with all of us.

Only pro-Christian movie I actually enjoyed. (Although, the Spanish dub actors are just as shitty as always.)

[Luminesa]

Right. The Passion of the Christ does a good job I think, with depicting how harrowing the idea of crucifixion was, and how the Devil amplified the fear in His mind, as he does with all of us.

Only pro-Christian movie I actually enjoyed. (Although, the Spanish dub actors are just as shitty as always.)

The decision to do the movie in Aramaic/Hebrew/Latin/one of them was a really cool idea.

[Negarakita]

Only pro-Christian movie I actually enjoyed. (Although, the Spanish dub actors are just as shitty as always.)

The decision to do the movie in Aramaic/Hebrew/Latin/one of them was a really cool idea.

If its latin I'm watching it that sounds cool

[Tarsonis]

Right. The Passion of the Christ does a good job I think, with depicting how harrowing the idea of crucifixion was, and how the Devil amplified the fear in His mind, as he does with all of us.

Only pro-Christian movie I actually enjoyed. (Although, the Spanish dub actors are just as shitty as always.)

You might enjoy Risen.

Though I don't know why PotC would have spanish dub and not just spanish subtitles.