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Roman Catholic
334
36%
Eastern Orthodox
85
9%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
6
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
57
6%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
96
10%
Methodist
16
2%
Baptist
95
10%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
72
8%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
37
4%
Other Christian
137
15%
 
Total votes : 935

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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:48 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
True but I mean, I can lay claim to the thrones of France and Scotland, but it’s not like those claims will be recognized by any validating authority.

Assuming you are not in fact some long-lost heir (somehow) to either, claims to Apostolic succession by the relevant churches at least have more validity in that those churches had it in some form (well, some of them) at some point :p


I can trace my lineage to both Thrones. Granted, I’m like 7 millionth in line to both non existent thrones but it’s there
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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:50 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Assuming you are not in fact some long-lost heir (somehow) to either, claims to Apostolic succession by the relevant churches at least have more validity in that those churches had it in some form (well, some of them) at some point :p


I can trace my lineage to both Thrones. Granted, I’m like 7 millionth in line to both non existent thrones but it’s there

Ah, so your point does actually logically follow for my pedant nature
Carry on :)

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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:52 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote: that Eastern Orthodox bishops who broke communion with Rome would not have apostolic succession either?


Let's try and avoid dragging this one up again, and instead of arguing over who broke with whom first, try and agree that we broke with each other.

That's me trying to be conciliatory.

Historically, Cardinal Humbert's excommunication of Patriarch Michael in 1054 came four days before the Patriarch retaliated by excommunicating the Cardinal and his fellow legates.


Well, I am neutral about the split between the Catholic and Orthodox churches. I would say both sides are partially to blame. But yeah, your first sentence is pretty reasonable.

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Angleter
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Postby Angleter » Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:19 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:
Angleter wrote:
At this rate they'll be finishing the synod with a Harlem Shake.


Didn’t they have someone flipping around (some call it dancing) on the stage? And the first row of, clearly aged individuals, tried clapping along?


Yes.

We've also now got whatever this is.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:28 pm

Angleter wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
Didn’t they have someone flipping around (some call it dancing) on the stage? And the first row of, clearly aged individuals, tried clapping along?


Yes.

We've also now got whatever this is.

Can't pay attention, currently being mind-blown that the Vatican has an official Twitter account

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:04 pm

Angleter wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
Didn’t they have someone flipping around (some call it dancing) on the stage? And the first row of, clearly aged individuals, tried clapping along?


Yes.

We've also now got whatever this is.

Oh... oh no... Tagle... what u doin... pls.. no stahp.

I'm trying to get him to stop out of embarrassment more than his character, though. He's been a pretty good cardinal so far.

Of course I'd love for him to be a little more strong in his opposition with our fascist president the way Cardinal Sin was, but that's another thing entirely.

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Postby Dylar » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:24 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Angleter wrote:
Yes.

We've also now got whatever this is.

Oh... oh no... Tagle... what u doin... pls.. no stahp.

I'm trying to get him to stop out of embarrassment more than his character, though. He's been a pretty good cardinal so far.

Of course I'd love for him to be a little more strong in his opposition with our fascist president the way Cardinal Sin was, but that's another thing entirely.

Took me a minute to realize that Cardinal Sin is a person and not a mortal sin or the Powerwolf song...
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:25 pm

Dylar wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Oh... oh no... Tagle... what u doin... pls.. no stahp.

I'm trying to get him to stop out of embarrassment more than his character, though. He's been a pretty good cardinal so far.

Of course I'd love for him to be a little more strong in his opposition with our fascist president the way Cardinal Sin was, but that's another thing entirely.

Took me a minute to realize that Cardinal Sin is a person and not a mortal sin or the Powerwolf song...

Trump is practically the Cardinal Sins incarnate though

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Postby Diopolis » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:25 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Angleter wrote:
Yes.

We've also now got whatever this is.

Oh... oh no... Tagle... what u doin... pls.. no stahp.

I'm trying to get him to stop out of embarrassment more than his character, though. He's been a pretty good cardinal so far.

Of course I'd love for him to be a little more strong in his opposition with our fascist president the way Cardinal Sin was, but that's another thing entirely.

Duterte being out of the news for a little while actually had me confused there for a minute.
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Dylar
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Postby Dylar » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:27 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Dylar wrote:Took me a minute to realize that Cardinal Sin is a person and not a mortal sin or the Powerwolf song...

Trump is practically the Cardinal Sins incarnate though

Meh...I preferred him over the other candidates 2 years ago, but this isn't the place to discuss that...
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:46 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Assuming you are not in fact some long-lost heir (somehow) to either, claims to Apostolic succession by the relevant churches at least have more validity in that those churches had it in some form (well, some of them) at some point :p


I can trace my lineage to both Thrones. Granted, I’m like 7 millionth in line to both non existent thrones but it’s there


Well, technically the throne of Scotland and the throne of England are merged, so the throne of Scotland technically does still exist.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:49 pm

Angleter wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
Didn’t they have someone flipping around (some call it dancing) on the stage? And the first row of, clearly aged individuals, tried clapping along?


Yes.

We've also now got whatever this is.


I'm dying inside.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Postby Diopolis » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:02 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
I can trace my lineage to both Thrones. Granted, I’m like 7 millionth in line to both non existent thrones but it’s there


Well, technically the throne of Scotland and the throne of England are merged, so the throne of Scotland technically does still exist.

Long live Max of Bavaria!
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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:08 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
I can trace my lineage to both Thrones. Granted, I’m like 7 millionth in line to both non existent thrones but it’s there


Well, technically the throne of Scotland and the throne of England are merged, so the throne of Scotland technically does still exist.


We of Clan Bruce will have our independence
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:23 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Well, technically the throne of Scotland and the throne of England are merged, so the throne of Scotland technically does still exist.


We of Clan Bruce will have our independence

That is the best name for a clan I've heard yet

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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:53 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Well, technically the throne of Scotland and the throne of England are merged, so the throne of Scotland technically does still exist.


We of Clan Bruce will have our independence


But what if I told you it was Scotland that inherited England?
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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:54 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
We of Clan Bruce will have our independence


But what if I told you it was Scotland that inherited England?


We of Clan Bruce will rid ourselves of that baggage. Give it to France.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:36 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
But what if I told you it was Scotland that inherited England?


We of Clan Bruce will rid ourselves of that baggage. Give it to France.

You imply France wants it

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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:37 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
We of Clan Bruce will rid ourselves of that baggage. Give it to France.

You imply France wants it


As the descendant of Henry II I claim England for France
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
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James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Kowani » Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:37 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
We of Clan Bruce will rid ourselves of that baggage. Give it to France.

You imply France wants it

I have a suspicion Russia’d be a very good customer.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:38 pm

Kowani wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:You imply France wants it

I have a suspicion Russia’d be a very good customer.

Russia in the market for another Monarchy?

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Postby Kowani » Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:41 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Kowani wrote:I have a suspicion Russia’d be a very good customer.

Russia in the market for another Monarchy?

As subordinates to Putin, of course.
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Postby Lower Nubia » Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:51 am

Angleter wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
Didn’t they have someone flipping around (some call it dancing) on the stage? And the first row of, clearly aged individuals, tried clapping along?


Yes.

We've also now got whatever this is.


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Postby The Archregimancy » Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:25 am

Tarsonis wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
Let's try and avoid dragging this one up again, and instead of arguing over who broke with whom first, try and agree that we broke with each other.

That's me trying to be conciliatory.

Historically, Cardinal Humbert's excommunication of Patriarch Michael in 1054 came four days before the Patriarch retaliated by excommunicating the Cardinal and his fellow legates.


Confounded by the fact that the Pope was dead at the time.


Which of course rendered Cardinal Humbert's attempt to serve an excommunication canonically invalid.

So technically there never was a schism...


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