The Christian Discussion Thread X: Originally there were 15

[Luminesa]

Drawing little lines on a map for Paul's journeys is kinda fun

Hey that sounds pretty cool! Now let's imagine scaling that up a billion and try and map out John Paul II's trips.

*Five seconds later map becomes a giant scribble.*

[Kowani]

Calling all Catholics: I see a lot of patron saints called our “lady of wherever” Is this a reference to Mary, or are these individual saints who just happened to all get the same name?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Calling all Catholics: I see a lot of patron saints called our “lady of wherever” Is this a reference to Mary, or are these individual saints who just happened to all get the same name?

If you see “Our Lady Of [Insert Name]” it is referring to Mary, whether it be a statue, apparition, or Church. Our Lady of Akita refers to the Marian apparitions reported in 1973 by Sister Agnes Katsuko Sasagawa in the remote area of Yuzawadai, an outskirt of Akita, Japan (it is also associated with a wooden statue of Mary in Japan that is often venerated by the faithful there).

[Kowani]

Calling all Catholics: I see a lot of patron saints called our “lady of wherever” Is this a reference to Mary, or are these individual saints who just happened to all get the same name?

If you see “Our Lady Of [Insert Name]” it is referring to Mary, whether it be a statue, apparition, or Church. Our Lady of Akita refers to the Marian apparitions reported in 1973 by Sister Agnes Katsuko Sasagawa in the remote area of Yuzawadai, an outskirt of Akita, Japan (it is also associated with a wooden statue of Mary in Japan that is often venerated by the faithful there).

All right, thank you.

[Parsleyprince]

Apparently the Ecumenical Patriarch has recognized Ukraine's autocephaly and Patriarchate.

Not quite.

He's come very close without actually definitively pulling the autocephaly trigger.

If the Catholics here are going to get upset about Orthosplaining, then let's perhaps pause to consider that the reverse might also be true.

Speaking of Orthosplaining...

I'm a little hazy on one aspect of this (among many).

So Patriarch Filaret was defrocked and pronounced anathema by Moscow. Bartholomew lifted that anathema - but does it still stand in the Russian Orthodox Church?

[Lower Nubia]

Not quite.

He's come very close without actually definitively pulling the autocephaly trigger.

If the Catholics here are going to get upset about Orthosplaining, then let's perhaps pause to consider that the reverse might also be true.

Speaking of Orthosplaining...

I'm a little hazy on one aspect of this (among many).

So Patriarch Filaret was defrocked and pronounced anathema by Moscow. Bartholomew lifted that anathema - but does it still stand in the Russian Orthodox Church?

Yes.

[Parsleyprince]

Speaking of Orthosplaining...

I'm a little hazy on one aspect of this (among many).

So Patriarch Filaret was defrocked and pronounced anathema by Moscow. Bartholomew lifted that anathema - but does it still stand in the Russian Orthodox Church?

Yes.

Got it. Wasn't sure if it coming from the Ecumenical Patriarch trumped the Muscovite position or not.

[Luminesa]

A big huzzah for our new canonized saints! Including:



St. Oscar Romero!

[Maineiacs]

A big huzzah for our new canonized saints! Including:

(Image)

St. Oscar Romero!

About time.

[Northern Davincia]

A big huzzah for our new canonized saints! Including:

(Image)

St. Oscar Romero!

That image is peculiar. Still, I was pleased to hear the announcement.

[Angleter]

A big huzzah for our new canonized saints! Including:

(Image)

St. Oscar Romero!

I'm pleased about Romero's canonisation.

Less so about Paul VI's. Considering what happened to the Church in what is now the greatest near-unbroken run of canonised Popes in well over a millennium, I don't think it's that rad trad of me to call for a complete and total shutdown on modern Popes being canonised until we can figure out what the Hell is going on.

[The Archregimancy]

A big huzzah for our new canonized saints! Including:

(Image)

St. Oscar Romero!

I'm pleased about Romero's canonisation.

Less so about Paul VI's. Considering what happened to the Church in what is now the greatest near-unbroken run of canonised Popes in well over a millennium, I don't think it's that rad trad of me to call for a complete and total shutdown on modern Popes being canonised until we can figure out what the Hell is going on.

I'm obviously an outsider, and most Catholics likely won't care too much about what I think - but I agree fully with both sentiments.

While I acknowledge Paul VI's attempts at dialogue with the Orthodox Church, until the Catholic Church can fully come to grips with the historical child sexual abuse scandal, canonising any Pope whose period in office began after c.1945 is a potential mistake that could backfire terribly.

If you do consider your Church to be an eternal institution - or at least a very long-lived one - then there's surely no rush. Canonisation can wait.

[Lower Nubia]

A big huzzah for our new canonized saints! Including:

(Image)

St. Oscar Romero!

I'm pleased about Romero's canonisation.

Less so about Paul VI's. Considering what happened to the Church in what is now the greatest near-unbroken run of canonised Popes in well over a millennium, I don't think it's that rad trad of me to call for a complete and total shutdown on modern Popes being canonised until we can figure out what the Hell is going on.

Isn’t there a basic rule that canonisation should, in most cases, take at least 100 years anyway?

[Luminesa]

A big huzzah for our new canonized saints! Including:

(Image)

St. Oscar Romero!

I'm pleased about Romero's canonisation.

Less so about Paul VI's. Considering what happened to the Church in what is now the greatest near-unbroken run of canonised Popes in well over a millennium, I don't think it's that rad trad of me to call for a complete and total shutdown on modern Popes being canonised until we can figure out what the Hell is going on.

To be fair he DID try to defend the Church from waves of the sexual revolution in the 60’s, and Humanae Vitae is still a relevant document even today, I’m personally happy for it. But I can see your point. It is a lot of popes being canonized.

[Luminesa]

I'm pleased about Romero's canonisation.

Less so about Paul VI's. Considering what happened to the Church in what is now the greatest near-unbroken run of canonised Popes in well over a millennium, I don't think it's that rad trad of me to call for a complete and total shutdown on modern Popes being canonised until we can figure out what the Hell is going on.

Isn’t there a basic rule that canonisation should, in most cases, take at least 100 years anyway?

USUALLY, the case for canonization can officially open like 25 years after the person has died. In cases such as the Little Flower, John Paul II, and Mother Theresa, we have exceptions, but USUALLY this is the rule.

[Luminesa]

A big huzzah for our new canonized saints! Including:

(Image)

St. Oscar Romero!

That image is peculiar. Still, I was pleased to hear the announcement.

I was trying to find a chibi of St. Oscar Romero and apparently nobody has made chibis of him. I am of sad.

[Diopolis]

I'm pleased about Romero's canonisation.

Less so about Paul VI's. Considering what happened to the Church in what is now the greatest near-unbroken run of canonised Popes in well over a millennium, I don't think it's that rad trad of me to call for a complete and total shutdown on modern Popes being canonised until we can figure out what the Hell is going on.

I'm obviously an outsider, and most Catholics likely won't care too much about what I think - but I agree fully with both sentiments.

While I acknowledge Paul VI's attempts at dialogue with the Orthodox Church, until the Catholic Church can fully come to grips with the historical child sexual abuse scandal, canonising any Pope whose period in office began after c.1945 is a potential mistake that could backfire terribly.

If you do consider your Church to be an eternal institution - or at least a very long-lived one - then there's surely no rush. Canonisation can wait.

There's a decent argument to be made that the newer process of canonization is provides significantly less strong a set of evidence for the veracity of its canonizations; even if canonizations are to be held infallible(an opinion I do not share), the newer process can be easily excluded from such an idea.

[Northern Davincia]

That image is peculiar. Still, I was pleased to hear the announcement.

I was trying to find a chibi of St. Oscar Romero and apparently nobody has made chibis of him. I am of sad.

There are chibi saints?

I want one...

[Luminesa]

I was trying to find a chibi of St. Oscar Romero and apparently nobody has made chibis of him. I am of sad.

There are chibi saints?

I want one...

You can buy Tiny Saints from a local Catholic bookstore. They’re kinda like chibis, and you can use them as keychains, wallet chains, etc. They are quite adorable.

(Arch! As a mod can I link Dav to the Tiny Saints website or is that against site rules? Regarding advertising?)

[Dylar]

Tfw you visit a Catholic parish and the Mass feels a little too...non-Catholic.

Basically, I started working on second shift at a factory, so I need to wake up at noon and go to sleep at 4 AM every day. And as a result, instead of going to morning Mass with my family at our parish, I decided to go to the evening Mass at another parish nearby.

It was a pretty normal Mass, but there were a few things that struck me as odd. Before the Mass started, the person who gets on the mic and welcomes eveyone to the parish invited everyone to go around and introduce themselves to each other when we're already settled in our pews. Later on in the Mass, after Communion to be precise, I noticed the extraordinary ministers purifying their cups and ceboriums. That makes me want to know if that's even allowed at all. Because, I remember being taught that only the clergy can purify, seeing as they're taking care of the leftover Blood. The other thing that made me nervous was that, at the end of Mass the preist was giving a blessing to the people who are celebrating their wedding anniversary, but it wasn't just the preist raising his hand to administer the blessings, it was the entire congregation. And that made it feel like I was in a Protestant church instead of a Catholic Church. Only other problem I had was the music. Mainly because the music sounded like hymns I'd hear at a youth group retreat. And they had a giant organ and somebody to play the organ, but they never even used it for any of the hymns...instead it was acoustic guitars, electric guitars and maracas being used as instruments. So that's my experience at Mass yesterday.

Homily was good though

[Pasong Tirad]

A big huzzah for our new canonized saints! Including:

(Image)

St. Oscar Romero!

Bless that man! It feels good to see some light in these strange times.

[Tarsonis]

I know we friendly joke about the problems in each others churches, but I think we should all take time to pray for the Orthodox Church. Troubling times are looming

https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-orthodo ... 45003.html

[Lower Nubia]

I know we friendly joke about the problems in each others churches, but I think we should all take time to pray for the Orthodox Church. Troubling times are looming

https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-orthodo ... 45003.html

It can be hoped that this draws the Patriarchs closer together in the future to resolve this and like issues, and codify the procedure and jurisdictions of granting autocephaly. Restoring the conciliarity that has been lossed recently, alongside further condemnation, and action, against ethnophylitism.

Though I wouldn’t get ones hopes up.

[Hakons]

Tfw you visit a Catholic parish and the Mass feels a little too...non-Catholic.

Basically, I started working on second shift at a factory, so I need to wake up at noon and go to sleep at 4 AM every day. And as a result, instead of going to morning Mass with my family at our parish, I decided to go to the evening Mass at another parish nearby.

It was a pretty normal Mass, but there were a few things that struck me as odd. Before the Mass started, the person who gets on the mic and welcomes eveyone to the parish invited everyone to go around and introduce themselves to each other when we're already settled in our pews. Later on in the Mass, after Communion to be precise, I noticed the extraordinary ministers purifying their cups and ceboriums. That makes me want to know if that's even allowed at all. Because, I remember being taught that only the clergy can purify, seeing as they're taking care of the leftover Blood. The other thing that made me nervous was that, at the end of Mass the preist was giving a blessing to the people who are celebrating their wedding anniversary, but it wasn't just the preist raising his hand to administer the blessings, it was the entire congregation. And that made it feel like I was in a Protestant church instead of a Catholic Church. Only other problem I had was the music. Mainly because the music sounded like hymns I'd hear at a youth group retreat. And they had a giant organ and somebody to play the organ, but they never even used it for any of the hymns...instead it was acoustic guitars, electric guitars and maracas being used as instruments. So that's my experience at Mass yesterday.

Homily was good though

That... sounds a little odd. I recently attended a teaching Mass, and different forms of worship were discussed. As I learned from my priest, you're not really supposed to copy the blessing gesture of the priest. However, if you're in a parish with a tradition of doing so, it's best to do what the other parishioners do and don't set yourself apart from them.

Maybe the Church I go to is more traditional, but we've yet to have accompanied music. In fact, I don't think we've even had English music. I still don't understand most of the Latin, but it is beautiful. The design of the Church is modern and all the laymen come from the university, so I don't think it would be excessively traditional. I'm hoping it's about the standard for Catholicism, because I really like it.

Also, working full shifts at a factory!?!? That's really cool!

[The Hebrew Roots]

My denomination is I am a member of the Hebrew Roots Movement (as my subtle name implies lol). Basically we believe that Jesus did not get rid of the old testament law and that the new covenant does not nullify the law of the old, just that some changes were made such as the changing of the priesthood and the abolishing of the punishments of the law. Not to be confused with Hebrew Israelites, Jews, or Seventh Day Adventist. More info here. https://hubpages.com/religion-philosoph ... on-and-FAQ