United Muscovite Nations wrote:Tarsonis wrote:You’re right, cause that’s not what the doctrine claims. You mean those theologians who actually know what it means?
It absolutely is what it claims:
8. Since the Roman Pontiff, by the divine right of the apostolic primacy, governs the whole Church, we likewise teach and declare that he is the supreme judge of the faithful [52] , and that in all cases which fall under ecclesiastical jurisdiction recourse may be had to his judgment [53] . The sentence of the Apostolic See (than which there is no higher authority) is not subject to revision by anyone, nor may anyone lawfully pass judgment thereupon[54]. And so they stray from the genuine path of truth who maintain that it is lawful to appeal from the judgments of the Roman pontiffs to an ecumenical council as if this were an authority superior to the Roman Pontiff.
Sigh... okay I’ll go through this again with you.
Firstly, That is not a proclamation on Papal Infallibility. That is a proclamation on Papal Primacy/Supremacy.
Now It’s not referring to matters of doctrine, nor the Pontiff himself but matters of the Pontiffs “Judgement”. The Pope, when passing Judgement on a member of the Church, i.e, excommunicating someone, that judgment cannot be reversed by someone else. As Supreme Governer of the earthly Church, his excommunication cannot be overridden by an EC.
As for the Pontiff himself it’s more complicated. Canon 1404 of dictates that the First See is judged by no one, because the Pope has no earthy superior. He answers to God alone. If the Pope were to perform an excommunicable offense, he would by nature of latae sententiae, abdicate the See. He’d still be a Pope, but he’d not be a sitting a Pope. But, As we’ve never had
a siting Pope commit an excomunicable offense, we’ve never had to test that.
As for the aforementioned anathamizing of Honorius 1, this happened years after his death, and was accepted by Leo II, making them valid.
Edit: It should also be mentioned that, Vatican I wasn't unilaterally declared dogma by the Pope but was by an Ecumenical Council with the conception that the Orthodox Patriachs are in schism, and thus have no valid authority within the Church proper. However, if reunification were to happen, the Canon laws could be Amended to reflect the restored authority of the other Patriarchs.