The Christian Discussion Thread X: Originally there were 15

[Stonok]

Apparently Protestants are only tied with Evangelicals, and behind Baptists and Eastern Orthodoxy. I guess I can be happy to be ahead of the Anglicans?

Also, going to a religious college is pretty interesting, pretty fun so far

Baptists, Anglicans, and most Evangelicals are Protestant.

[Lost Memories]

Apparently Protestants are only tied with Evangelicals, and behind Baptists and Eastern Orthodoxy. I guess I can be happy to be ahead of the Anglicans?

Also, going to a religious college is pretty interesting, pretty fun so far

It isn't a competition, though it's interesting to think about how different denominations may be more or less active and widespread on the web.

Which kind of religious college? Anything standing out to make it look 'religious', or it's just a matter of administration?

[Thyerata]

Do we have any traditionalist Catholics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradition ... atholicism) here? What are peoples' views on this approach to the Roman Church?

Same with sedevacantism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/sedevacantism) - any sedevacantists here?

More generally, what do Catholics here think of the Second Vatican Council?

My favourite canonisation has to the one of Saints John Paul II and John XXIII - if only because the coverage by the vatican media was stellar.

[Stonok]

Pope John Paul II was someone that I think all Christians can take a liking to fairly easily.

[Philjia]

Pope John Paul II was someone that I think all Christians can take a liking to fairly easily.

In before it turns out he helped cover up historical child abuse.

[United Christian America]

Pope John Paul II was someone that I think all Christians can take a liking to fairly easily.

In before it turns out he helped cover up historical child abuse.

Sure? But is it really wise to dismiss everything a person did because of a few crimes?

That's the issue with public figures I guess. They do some good works, they pull quite a bit of terrible deeds. Do we ignore all the good works because of the terrible deeds?

I suppose one could say the terrible deeds could outweigh the good works, but on the other hand don't the flaws and crimes of a person give context to the good they did? Humans are flawed after all.

[Kowani]

In before it turns out he helped cover up historical child abuse.

Sure? But is it really wise to dismiss everything a person did because of a few crimes?

That's the issue with public figures I guess. They do some good works, they pull quite a bit of terrible deeds. Do we ignore all the good works because of the terrible deeds?

I suppose one could say the terrible deeds could outweigh the good works, but on the other hand don't the flaws and crimes of a person give context to the good they did? Humans are flawed after all.

Well, pretending that everything he did was good would just be a complete lie. Pretending that he was the agent of Satan, however, now that would be a lie as well. It really comes down to how much good they did in their life compared to how much bad. However, you can’t just look at their direct actions, but the effects of this actions as well.

[Lost Memories]

But is it really wise to dismiss everything a person did because of a few crimes?

Precisely, what good a person did remains in history, same for the bad.

The same as the world isn't black and white, so neither any person is black and white.
The ability of making good is indipendent to the inclination to make bad.

While the bad done isn't to be ignored, christianity is about highlighting the good of everyone, both the done and the potential for good.

[Diopolis]

Do we have any traditionalist Catholics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradition ... atholicism) here? What are peoples' views on this approach to the Roman Church?

You called?

[Salus Maior]

Apparently Protestants are only tied with Evangelicals, and behind Baptists and Eastern Orthodoxy. I guess I can be happy to be ahead of the Anglicans?

Also, going to a religious college is pretty interesting, pretty fun so far

Protestants and Evangelicals are the same thing? As are Baptists?

[Pasong Tirad]

Pope John Paul II was someone that I think all Christians can take a liking to fairly easily.

In before it turns out he helped cover up historical child abuse.

Did he really, though?

[Lord Dominator]

Apparently Protestants are only tied with Evangelicals, and behind Baptists and Eastern Orthodoxy. I guess I can be happy to be ahead of the Anglicans?

Also, going to a religious college is pretty interesting, pretty fun so far

Protestants and Evangelicals are the same thing? As are Baptists?

Apparently Protestants are only tied with Evangelicals, and behind Baptists and Eastern Orthodoxy. I guess I can be happy to be ahead of the Anglicans?

Also, going to a religious college is pretty interesting, pretty fun so far

Baptists, Anglicans, and most Evangelicals are Protestant.

Yes, I was too lazy to put in the 'Protestant' for Evangelicals. Really though, it was meant to be a little joke on the poll

Apparently Protestants are only tied with Evangelicals, and behind Baptists and Eastern Orthodoxy. I guess I can be happy to be ahead of the Anglicans?

Also, going to a religious college is pretty interesting, pretty fun so far

It isn't a competition, though it's interesting to think about how different denominations may be more or less active and widespread on the web.

Which kind of religious college? Anything standing out to make it look 'religious', or it's just a matter of administration?

I know it's not a competition, but it's fun to joke like it is anyways (that, and it's a fairly different result from the last thread). As for religious, it'd be the direct ties to the LCMS church, the daily (optional) chapel, etc

[Nordengrund]

Apparently Protestants are only tied with Evangelicals, and behind Baptists and Eastern Orthodoxy. I guess I can be happy to be ahead of the Anglicans?

Also, going to a religious college is pretty interesting, pretty fun so far

Protestants and Evangelicals are the same thing? As are Baptists?

All Evangelicals are Protestants, but not all Protestants are Evangelicals. Baptists are generally considered to be Protestants (though some of us will firmly deny it) and can be Evangelical, Mainline, Reformed, or Fundamentalist.

[Northern Davincia]

In before it turns out he helped cover up historical child abuse.

Did he really, though?

Not to my knowledge.

[TESTTEST]

Protestants and Evangelicals are the same thing? As are Baptists?

All Evangelicals are Protestants, but not all Protestants are Evangelicals. Baptists are generally considered to be Protestants (though some of us will firmly deny it) and can be Evangelical, Mainline, Reformed, or Fundamentalist.

Evangelical, can confirm. Although there are Catholics with similar views, most don't call themselves Evangelicals, they identify with the New Evangelization.

[Stonok]

Protestants and Evangelicals are the same thing? As are Baptists?

All Evangelicals are Protestants, but not all Protestants are Evangelicals. Baptists are generally considered to be Protestants (though some of us will firmly deny it) and can be Evangelical, Mainline, Reformed, or Fundamentalist.

As someone who grew up in the Southern Baptist Church and has attended Independent Baptist churches, I've never seen Baptists deny being Protestant. Why would a Baptist deny it?

[Tarsonis]

All Evangelicals are Protestants, but not all Protestants are Evangelicals. Baptists are generally considered to be Protestants (though some of us will firmly deny it) and can be Evangelical, Mainline, Reformed, or Fundamentalist.

As someone who grew up in the Southern Baptist Church and has attended Independent Baptist churches, I've never seen Baptists deny being Protestant. Why would a Baptist deny it?

Because “Protestant” implicitly recognizes the Catholic Church as a Church, and all under the banner of Protestant as opposed to said Church.

Some Protestants rather prefer to see themselves as “followers of the true path” with all other Christians as those who don’t follow the true path.

[Nordengrund]

All Evangelicals are Protestants, but not all Protestants are Evangelicals. Baptists are generally considered to be Protestants (though some of us will firmly deny it) and can be Evangelical, Mainline, Reformed, or Fundamentalist.

As someone who grew up in the Southern Baptist Church and has attended Independent Baptist churches, I've never seen Baptists deny being Protestant. Why would a Baptist deny it?

Well, it’s rare, and seems more prevalent on the Internet, which rarely reflects the views of the actual majority, but I think some of the common arguments is that Baptists, unlike most Prot extant denominations , rejects the practice of infant baptism and were persecuted by Protestants. Some Baptists were jailed for preaching their beliefs, but I don’t know any who were outright executed, and it was usually done by the Anglican Church. It’s conncextrd with Landmarkism, which was associated with Southern Baptists, but it’s been largely discredited among them, but the gist of it is that the Baptist Church has always existed in some form prior tomthenReformation, even if those churches did not always call themselves Baptist.

I doubt it is a majority position at all, even among the more fundamentalist Baptists.

[Blanco-Campeon]

One of my ancestors founded the Second Baptist Church of Scituate, Massachusetts after a schism with the First Baptist Church over infant baptism (apparently they were baptizing infants in buckets of icy water).

[Stonok]

My grandmother claims we're descended from an early Baptist minister who was jailed and defended in court by Patrick Henry, but this information comes from Ancestry.com which I find....dubious, to say the least.

[Tarsonis]

My grandmother claims we're descended from an early Baptist minister who was jailed and defended in court by Patrick Henry, but this information comes from Ancestry.com which I find....dubious, to say the least.

But I’m descended from Robert the Bruce, Henry II of France, and Caesar Augustus!

[Blanco-Campeon]

My grandmother claims we're descended from an early Baptist minister who was jailed and defended in court by Patrick Henry, but this information comes from Ancestry.com which I find....dubious, to say the least.

But I’m descended from Robert the Bruce, Henry II of France, and Caesar Augustus!

I heard a conspiracy theory that Ancestry.com was started by Mormons who wanted to "baptize" everyone's ancestors. Like most conspiracy theories I hear about the Mormons, I assume it's true.

[Auristania]

As someone who grew up in the Southern Baptist Church and has attended Independent Baptist churches, I've never seen Baptists deny being Protestant. Why would a Baptist deny it?

Because “Protestant” implicitly recognizes the Catholic Church as a Church, and all under the banner of Protestant as opposed to said Church.

Some Protestants rather prefer to see themselves as “followers of the true path” with all other Christians as those who don’t follow the true path.

It's more nuanced than that. Most Prods consider Romanists as a Church in error and of course my own denomination has a few errors because nobody's perfect but Roman error's are WAY bigger than my denomination's errors.

In the good old days, when beer was twopence a pint and God was a little boy, Prods knew that Romanists were the Synagogue of Satan and NOT a real church at all.

And to my shame, SOME Prod denominations are indeed pulling the "we are the One true Church TM" shtick and missing the whole point of the Reformation.

[Blanco-Campeon]

Because “Protestant” implicitly recognizes the Catholic Church as a Church, and all under the banner of Protestant as opposed to said Church.

Some Protestants rather prefer to see themselves as “followers of the true path” with all other Christians as those who don’t follow the true path.

It's more nuanced than that. Most Prods consider Romanists as a Church in error and of course my own denomination has a few errors because nobody's perfect but Roman error's are WAY bigger than my denomination's errors.

In the good old days, when beer was twopence a pint and God was a little boy, Prods knew that Romanists were the Synagogue of Satan and NOT a real church at all.

And to my shame, SOME Prod denominations are indeed pulling the "we are the One true Church TM" shtick and missing the whole point of the Reformation.

major citation needed there, pal

[Tarsonis]

It's more nuanced than that. Most Prods consider Romanists as a Church in error and of course my own denomination has a few errors because nobody's perfect but Roman error's are WAY bigger than my denomination's errors.

In the good old days, when beer was twopence a pint and God was a little boy, Prods knew that Romanists were the Synagogue of Satan and NOT a real church at all.

And to my shame, SOME Prod denominations are indeed pulling the "we are the One true Church TM" shtick and missing the whole point of the Reformation.

major citation needed there, pal

You’re gonna be waiting a long time from this one