The Christian Discussion Thread X: Originally there were 15

[Salus Maior]

Does anyone still go to the "nice part of Hell", i.e. Abraham's Bosom/Paradise/Sheol? Or did God retire this when Christ's work was finished? I probably asked this before but my memory isn't the sharpest lately.

Limbo? That's reserved for virtuous pagans.

I don't think limbo exists doctrinally.

[Tarsonis]

Limbo? That's reserved for virtuous pagans.

I don't think limbo exists doctrinally.

Eh well then the first circle isn’t horrible.

[Tarsonis]

Does anyone still go to the "nice part of Hell", i.e. Abraham's Bosom/Paradise/Sheol? Or did God retire this when Christ's work was finished? I probably asked this before but my memory isn't the sharpest lately.

All jesting aside, Sheol is Hell and anybody in Sheol is not having a nice time after Christ’s ministry.

[Salus Maior]

I don't think limbo exists doctrinally.

Eh well then the first circle isn’t horrible.

As far as I'm aware the concept of "circles of Hell" isn't doctrinal either. That's just from the Divine Comedy.

[Tarsonis]

Eh well then the first circle isn’t horrible.

As far as I'm aware the concept of "circles of Hell" isn't doctrinal either. That's just from the Divine Comedy.

You’re really taking this too seriously

[Salus Maior]

As far as I'm aware the concept of "circles of Hell" isn't doctrinal either. That's just from the Divine Comedy.

You’re really taking this too seriously

I tired.

[Tarsonis]

You’re really taking this too seriously

I tired.

Me too. I yelled at a customer today, (who’s also a close friend of mine) because we were discusssing the PA situation.

[Stonok]

I tired.

Me too. I yelled at a customer today, (who’s also a close friend of mine) because we were discusssing the PA situation.

Didn't you say at some point that you were a Marine for a few years in one of the CDTs (maybe I'm remembering someone else)? If I'm remembering correctly, that couldn't have been fun for him, me saying this as someone who's had the misfortune of being yelled at by multiple Marine vets, one of them being my own brother.

[Tarsonis]

Me too. I yelled at a customer today, (who’s also a close friend of mine) because we were discusssing the PA situation.

Didn't you say at some point that you were a Marine for a few years in one of the CDTs (maybe I'm remembering someone else)? If I'm remembering correctly, that couldn't have been fun for him, me saying this as someone who's had the misfortune of being yelled at by multiple Marine vets, one of them being my own brother.

Eh he yelled right back. We argue all the time. The key difference here is I was working, so it was extremely unprofessional and something I wouldn’t have done if I were less exhausted.

[Stonok]

Didn't you say at some point that you were a Marine for a few years in one of the CDTs (maybe I'm remembering someone else)? If I'm remembering correctly, that couldn't have been fun for him, me saying this as someone who's had the misfortune of being yelled at by multiple Marine vets, one of them being my own brother.

Eh he yelled right back. We argue all the time. The key difference here is I was working, so it was extremely unprofessional and something I wouldn’t have done if I were less exhausted.

Happens to everyone, I think. Were I not so fearful of confrontation I would have yelled at both bosses and employees at my job for similar reasons.

[Nordengrund]

Does anyone still go to the "nice part of Hell", i.e. Abraham's Bosom/Paradise/Sheol? Or did God retire this when Christ's work was finished? I probably asked this before but my memory isn't the sharpest lately.

Jesus does seem to imply that hell will be more tolerable for some than it will be for others. I think all sins are equal in the sense that any sin, no matter how small, separates you from God is enough to keep you out of heaven, but some sins will be punished more harshly in hell than others, especially those that were done with the individual fully aware that it is a sin and committed it anyway. Fortunately, God is merciful.

[Kowani]

Does anyone still go to the "nice part of Hell", i.e. Abraham's Bosom/Paradise/Sheol? Or did God retire this when Christ's work was finished? I probably asked this before but my memory isn't the sharpest lately.

Jesus does seem to imply that hell will be more tolerable for some than it will be for others. I think all sins are equal in the sense that any sin, no matter how small, separates you from God is enough to keep you out of heaven, but some sins will be punished more harshly in hell than others, especially those that were done with the individual fully aware that it is a sin and committed it anyway. Fortunately, God is merciful.

Yeah, that really sucks for those people who were so unlucky as to be born in a part of the world that wasn’t touched by Christianity. I mean, they totally sinned by believing in Ahura Mazda because they were born in Iran and not Germany. And of course, everyone who committed minor Old Testament sins like eating shellfish and mixing fabrics up until Jesus’s birth. Screw them, they get to sit in hell for a very, very long time, because they drew the wrong cards in the genetic lottery.

And then there’s the omniscient/ Free Will argument, which, and I’m simplifying here, is basically, “If God knows everything, than would include the future, and therefore, he knows any and all actions before they ever happen. Therefore, he knows exactly who will commit sins and their lifetime, and knowing exactly what would happen, allows it to happen anyway and then punishes the sinner for going through with their predetermined behavior.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

I don't think limbo exists doctrinally.

Eh well then the first circle isn’t horrible.

The Divine Comedy is an allegory representing the soul's journey towards God, not literal Catholic dogma

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Eh well then the first circle isn’t horrible.

The Divine Comedy is an allegory representing the soul's journey towards God, not literal Catholic dogma

As far as I'm aware the concept of "circles of Hell" isn't doctrinal either. That's just from the Divine Comedy.

You’re really taking this too seriously

[Nordengrund]

Jesus does seem to imply that hell will be more tolerable for some than it will be for others. I think all sins are equal in the sense that any sin, no matter how small, separates you from God is enough to keep you out of heaven, but some sins will be punished more harshly in hell than others, especially those that were done with the individual fully aware that it is a sin and committed it anyway. Fortunately, God is merciful.

Yeah, that really sucks for those people who were so unlucky as to be born in a part of the world that wasn’t touched by Christianity. I mean, they totally sinned by believing in Ahura Mazda because they were born in Iran and not Germany. And of course, everyone who committed minor Old Testament sins like eating shellfish and mixing fabrics up until Jesus’s birth. Screw them, they get to sit in hell for a very, very long time, because they drew the wrong cards in the genetic lottery.

And then there’s the omniscient/ Free Will argument, which, and I’m simplifying here, is basically, “If God knows everything, than would include the future, and therefore, he knows any and all actions before they ever happen. Therefore, he knows exactly who will commit sins and their lifetime, and knowing exactly what would happen, allows it to happen anyway and then punishes the sinner for going through with their predetermined behavior.

Our God is a merciful God, so He might be more lenient on those who sin or do not believe in Him out of ignorance, but harsher on those who know but reject Him anyway. Ultimately, the fate of those who die without jearong about Jesus is a mystery.

[The Black Forrest]

Well, in shitty news, we got the Pennsylvania Grand Jury calling out the Catholic Church for the 70 year pattern of sexual assault and subsequent coverups.

https://cbspittsburgh.files.wordpress.c ... ponses.pdf

And by shitty, I mean both the fact that the abuse happened, and the really deep systemic corruption built into the church. See, this sort of thing is why the Catholic Church isn’t the most trusted organization in the West. Now, these abusive priests are obviously not representative of all Catholics. However, they do show quite a few problems within the Church, as well as its hierarchy.

The Grand Jury also wants to release the names of the abusers, despite the statute of limitations having expired. Now, personally, I’m all for it. You abused children, and although you can’t be charged because it happened years ago, that’s no reason why you should get off scot-free. Personally, I believe that for sexual abuse against minors, there should be no statute of limitations, but I feel like that’d be a whole other debate.

Well? You also have people like this guy.

https://nypost.com/2018/08/17/catholic- ... t-scandal/

And people wonder why I left?

[Pasong Tirad]

Well, in shitty news, we got the Pennsylvania Grand Jury calling out the Catholic Church for the 70 year pattern of sexual assault and subsequent coverups.

https://cbspittsburgh.files.wordpress.c ... ponses.pdf

And by shitty, I mean both the fact that the abuse happened, and the really deep systemic corruption built into the church. See, this sort of thing is why the Catholic Church isn’t the most trusted organization in the West. Now, these abusive priests are obviously not representative of all Catholics. However, they do show quite a few problems within the Church, as well as its hierarchy.

The Grand Jury also wants to release the names of the abusers, despite the statute of limitations having expired. Now, personally, I’m all for it. You abused children, and although you can’t be charged because it happened years ago, that’s no reason why you should get off scot-free. Personally, I believe that for sexual abuse against minors, there should be no statute of limitations, but I feel like that’d be a whole other debate.

Well? You also have people like this guy.

https://nypost.com/2018/08/17/catholic- ... t-scandal/

And people wonder why I left?

You're not gonna like his full statement, then.

Apparently kids only being "groped" and not "penetrated" is a valid defense.

[Tarsonis]

Well, in shitty news, we got the Pennsylvania Grand Jury calling out the Catholic Church for the 70 year pattern of sexual assault and subsequent coverups.

https://cbspittsburgh.files.wordpress.c ... ponses.pdf

And by shitty, I mean both the fact that the abuse happened, and the really deep systemic corruption built into the church. See, this sort of thing is why the Catholic Church isn’t the most trusted organization in the West. Now, these abusive priests are obviously not representative of all Catholics. However, they do show quite a few problems within the Church, as well as its hierarchy.

The Grand Jury also wants to release the names of the abusers, despite the statute of limitations having expired. Now, personally, I’m all for it. You abused children, and although you can’t be charged because it happened years ago, that’s no reason why you should get off scot-free. Personally, I believe that for sexual abuse against minors, there should be no statute of limitations, but I feel like that’d be a whole other debate.

Well? You also have people like this guy.

https://nypost.com/2018/08/17/catholic- ... t-scandal/

And people wonder why I left?

To be fair the Catholic League does not speak for the Church and this statement is contradictory to what’s coming out of the Vatican.

Ultra-Conservatives can’t cope with scandal and don’t know what do with the situation. They are grasping at anything they can smash to try to come out ahead of the situation. Church screwed up. The only thing to do is embrace the pain and penance, and come out of this time better and stronger .

[The Black Forrest]

Well? You also have people like this guy.

https://nypost.com/2018/08/17/catholic- ... t-scandal/

And people wonder why I left?

To be fair the Catholic League does not speak for the Church and this statement is contradictory to what’s coming out of the Vatican.

Ultra-Conservatives can’t cope with scandal and don’t know what do with the situation. They are grasping at anything they can smash to try to come out ahead of the situation. Church screwed up. The only thing to do is embrace the pain and penance, and come out of this time better and stronger .

The problem is there are a great many who think like this guy or it's over-rated.

This is going on probably in all States and of course other countries.

In the 90's they talked about it. Pope Francis talks about Zero tolerance.

Talk is easy.....

[Tarsonis]

To be fair the Catholic League does not speak for the Church and this statement is contradictory to what’s coming out of the Vatican.

Ultra-Conservatives can’t cope with scandal and don’t know what do with the situation. They are grasping at anything they can smash to try to come out ahead of the situation. Church screwed up. The only thing to do is embrace the pain and penance, and come out of this time better and stronger .

The problem is there are a great many who think like this guy or it's over-rated.

This is going on probably in all States and of course other countries.

In the 90's they talked about it. Pope Francis talks about Zero tolerance.

Talk is easy.....

Perhaps it’s time to revive the Inquisition.

[The Black Forrest]

The problem is there are a great many who think like this guy or it's over-rated.

This is going on probably in all States and of course other countries.

In the 90's they talked about it. Pope Francis talks about Zero tolerance.

Talk is easy.....

Perhaps it’s time to revive the Inquisition.

[Stonok]

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There are so many Spanish Inqusition memes that I think everyone expects it by now

[Lost Memories]

You're not gonna like his full statement, then.

Apparently kids only being "groped" and not "penetrated" is a valid defense.

Donohue may be in full on apologetic mode, but he raises a good point, the same precision and morbid interest for crude details should be applied to any institution, religious or not, public or private, where adults regularly interact with minors. Public and private schools to name just one.

If it's a matter of justice, security and trust in institutions, it has to go the whole way, or it's justice only in part, and in part something else.

[Auristania]

The problem is there are a great many who think like this guy or it's over-rated.

This is going on probably in all States and of course other countries.

In the 90's they talked about it. Pope Francis talks about Zero tolerance.

Talk is easy.....

Perhaps it’s time to revive the Inquisition.

Inquisition is still going strong, Pope Benedict's previous job was Chief of the Holy Office.

[url]You're not gonna like his full statement, then.[/url]

Here is what's going on. There are many vicious critics of the Catholic Church who would like to weaken its moral authority, and will seize on any problem it has to discredit its voice. Why? They hate its teachings on sexuality, marriage, and the family.

I hate the church's teaching that raping children is OK.

Myth: The report was warranted because of the on-going crisis in the Catholic Church.

Fact: There is no on-going crisis—it's a total myth. In fact, there is no institution, private or public, that has less of a problem with the sexual abuse of minors today than the Catholic Church.

Indeed, there is no problem, priest rapes children, cover it up, no problem.

[Lost Memories]

I've just found a site with all the versions of the bible in multiple languages, it's pretty funny to pick passages from odd languages and retranslate them back to see how much google and the translations can be accurate.

Mt 10:16 “내가 너희를 보내는 것이 양을 이리떼 속으로 보내는 것과 같다. 그러므로 너희는 뱀처럼 지혜롭고 비둘기처럼 순결하여라.