The Christian Discussion Thread X: Originally there were 15

[Hakons]

That's cool you guys have daily masses too! Is Seabury a saint?

Nah, we recognize the validity of the pre-Reformation saints, and some post-Reformation saints, but no Anglican that I know have has ever been de facto given the title of saint. There is no process to do so within the Communion or the Continuing Movement though there are societies dedicated to persons such as the link I have for the Society of King Charles the Martyr and of course being included on the calendar.

If you claim to be the apostolic Church, and that Church conclusively canonized saints, why would you cease to canonize saints? Why venerate the saints of antiquity and the medieval era, but not uplift and venerate saints from ages since?

[Lower Nubia]

Nah, we recognize the validity of the pre-Reformation saints, and some post-Reformation saints, but no Anglican that I know have has ever been de facto given the title of saint. There is no process to do so within the Communion or the Continuing Movement though there are societies dedicated to persons such as the link I have for the Society of King Charles the Martyr and of course being included on the calendar.

If you claim to be the apostolic Church, and that Church conclusively canonized saints, why would you cease to canonize saints? Why venerate the saints of antiquity and the medieval era, but not uplift and venerate saints from ages since?

The Lambeth conferences have set out metrics for sainthood. It’s completely devolved to the local Church’s in a manner even less coordinated than the Orthodox Church’s canonisation process.

[Camelone]

Nah, we recognize the validity of the pre-Reformation saints, and some post-Reformation saints, but no Anglican that I know have has ever been de facto given the title of saint. There is no process to do so within the Communion or the Continuing Movement though there are societies dedicated to persons such as the link I have for the Society of King Charles the Martyr and of course being included on the calendar.

Would the Ugandan Martyrs count?

Yes they would count because they are martyrs for the Faith.

Nah, we recognize the validity of the pre-Reformation saints, and some post-Reformation saints, but no Anglican that I know have has ever been de facto given the title of saint. There is no process to do so within the Communion or the Continuing Movement though there are societies dedicated to persons such as the link I have for the Society of King Charles the Martyr and of course being included on the calendar.

If you claim to be the apostolic Church, and that Church conclusively canonized saints, why would you cease to canonize saints? Why venerate the saints of antiquity and the medieval era, but not uplift and venerate saints from ages since?

We just do not really have a process for it, sure the Lambeth conference has some guidelines but they are so decentralized they can not really be binding at all for the whole of the Church. It is more a lack of coordination than anything else, plus remember we also have the tug of war reality of Evangelicals v. High Churchmen v. Anglo-Catholics v. Liberal Churchmen v. Broadchurchmen so canonizing anyone would be supremely difficult. The best we can do is recognize great Christians on our calendar and remember them in our services and Masses, there is a lot of leniency and my jurisdiction is very Anglo-Catholic so venerating saints and asking them to pray for us are common, as well as treating great Christians as saints without the title.

[Diopolis]

Would the Ugandan Martyrs count?

Yes they would count because they are martyrs for the Faith.

If you claim to be the apostolic Church, and that Church conclusively canonized saints, why would you cease to canonize saints? Why venerate the saints of antiquity and the medieval era, but not uplift and venerate saints from ages since?

We just do not really have a process for it, sure the Lambeth conference has some guidelines but they are so decentralized they can not really be binding at all for the whole of the Church. It is more a lack of coordination than anything else, plus remember we also have the tug of war reality of Evangelicals v. High Churchmen v. Anglo-Catholics v. Liberal Churchmen v. Broadchurchmen so canonizing anyone would be supremely difficult. The best we can do is recognize great Christians on our calendar and remember them in our services and Masses, there is a lot of leniency and my jurisdiction is very Anglo-Catholic so venerating saints and asking them to pray for us are common, as well as treating great Christians as saints without the title.

So would, say, broad churchmen recognize an Anglo-catholic saint, or no?
What I’m wondering is if this is a situation like Catholicism, where saints might be recognized by one particular church but not another(Constantine for the most unambiguous, recognizable, obvious example).

[Camelone]

Yes they would count because they are martyrs for the Faith.


We just do not really have a process for it, sure the Lambeth conference has some guidelines but they are so decentralized they can not really be binding at all for the whole of the Church. It is more a lack of coordination than anything else, plus remember we also have the tug of war reality of Evangelicals v. High Churchmen v. Anglo-Catholics v. Liberal Churchmen v. Broadchurchmen so canonizing anyone would be supremely difficult. The best we can do is recognize great Christians on our calendar and remember them in our services and Masses, there is a lot of leniency and my jurisdiction is very Anglo-Catholic so venerating saints and asking them to pray for us are common, as well as treating great Christians as saints without the title.

So would, say, broad churchmen recognize an Anglo-catholic saint, or no?
What I’m wondering is if this is a situation like Catholicism, where saints might be recognized by one particular church but not another(Constantine for the most unambiguous, recognizable, obvious example).

They would, like the majority, of Anglicans recognize what would be considered saints but their conduct would differ. Anglo-Catholics would venerate while others are less likely to do so. For an example all Anglicans would recognize Richard Baxter or Thomas Cranmer and commemorate their lives but in different ways. Though King Charles is considered a martyr by some and not by others, generally depending on the churchmanship of the Anglican. Churchmanship is also different than the separate rites and churches within the Roman sphere, they are not autonomous entities but more descriptors of the individual believers.

[Minachia]

Nah, we recognize the validity of the pre-Reformation saints, and some post-Reformation saints, but no Anglican that I know have has ever been de facto given the title of saint. There is no process to do so within the Communion or the Continuing Movement though there are societies dedicated to persons such as the link I have for the Society of King Charles the Martyr and of course being included on the calendar.

If you claim to be the apostolic Church, and that Church conclusively canonized saints, why would you cease to canonize saints? Why venerate the saints of antiquity and the medieval era, but not uplift and venerate saints from ages since?

I think it's mostly because Protestants are already uncomfortable with the honoring of saints, even more traditional prots.
That said, we (or at least Lutherans) still grant people titles like "Renewer of Society" and set aside a day in the calendar for them.

[CivitasDei]

Just want to thank the Christian community on NS for being so welcoming to me. Blessings and peace on you all!

[Salus Maior]

Just want to thank the Christian community on NS for being so welcoming to me. Blessings and peace on you all!

Of course. We'll be happy to help you however we can.

[Lower Nubia]

Just want to thank the Christian community on NS for being so welcoming to me. Blessings and peace on you all!

God bless. Hopefully everyone here continues to use this thread to be used constructively and for Christ.

[MadisonN14]

There should be a non-denominational category in your poll due to the amount of Christians that don't feel strongly about individual denominations but love Christianity as a whole. I love the idea though! I am worried as to if people will troll on this thread and lash out on Christianity, it seems to me that a lot of people on here are very set in their ways and don't care about those that they may offend with their words.

[Farnhamia]

There should be a non-denominational category in your poll due to the amount of Christians that don't feel strongly about individual denominations but love Christianity as a whole. I love the idea though! I am worried as to if people will troll on this thread and lash out on Christianity, it seems to me that a lot of people on here are very set in their ways and don't care about those that they may offend with their words.

The people posting here can take of themselves, don't worry. And they have the intrepid, fearless Mod Team to fall back on.

Oh, and Non-denominational will have to go under "Other Christian." You can only have ten choices.

[Tarsonis]

There should be a non-denominational category in your poll due to the amount of Christians that don't feel strongly about individual denominations but love Christianity as a whole. I love the idea though! I am worried as to if people will troll on this thread and lash out on Christianity, it seems to me that a lot of people on here are very set in their ways and don't care about those that they may offend with their words.

While I don’t very many times of us will intentionally offend people, at the same time being offended is kind of a you problem.

[Camelone]

I just looked at my calendar recently and I noticed that this year the Conception of Blessed Virgin Mary was transferred to my birthday, December 9th, and also the day I am giving my final sermon for my preaching class! The levels of my excitement are very high right now and I truly know what it is that I will be preaching about!

[Isles of Metanoia]

I just looked at my calendar recently and I noticed that this year the Conception of Blessed Virgin Mary was transferred to my birthday, December 9th, and also the day I am giving my final sermon for my preaching class! The levels of my excitement are very high right now and I truly know what it is that I will be preaching about!

That's so great! I would just like to congratulate you.

[Hakons]

I just looked at my calendar recently and I noticed that this year the Conception of Blessed Virgin Mary was transferred to my birthday, December 9th, and also the day I am giving my final sermon for my preaching class! The levels of my excitement are very high right now and I truly know what it is that I will be preaching about!

You're in seminary? That's so cool! For the Anglican Church in America, right?

[Camelone]

I just looked at my calendar recently and I noticed that this year the Conception of Blessed Virgin Mary was transferred to my birthday, December 9th, and also the day I am giving my final sermon for my preaching class! The levels of my excitement are very high right now and I truly know what it is that I will be preaching about!

That's so great! I would just like to congratulate you.

Thank you very much!

I just looked at my calendar recently and I noticed that this year the Conception of Blessed Virgin Mary was transferred to my birthday, December 9th, and also the day I am giving my final sermon for my preaching class! The levels of my excitement are very high right now and I truly know what it is that I will be preaching about!

You're in seminary? That's so cool! For the Anglican Church in America, right?

Sort of, I'm studying education and history at a Wesleyan college while training under my parish priest for the diaconate in a sort of apprenticeship style. After I get my undergraduate and my masters in history I'll be heading off to seminary proper for the priesthood if my bishop and superior believe I am truly called for it. You are right though it is for the Anglican Church in America.

[Diopolis]

I just looked at my calendar recently and I noticed that this year the Conception of Blessed Virgin Mary was transferred to my birthday, December 9th, and also the day I am giving my final sermon for my preaching class! The levels of my excitement are very high right now and I truly know what it is that I will be preaching about!

Immaculate conception doesn’t trump the Sunday in advent?

[Nioya]

I'm gonna ask dale b Martin what John Boswell was like as a bottom.

[Luminesa]

I'm gonna ask dale b Martin what John Boswell was like as a bottom.

...I'm sorry, as a what now?

[Salus Maior]

I'm gonna ask dale b Martin what John Boswell was like as a bottom.

Ya'll alright there?

[Nioya]

I'm gonna ask dale b Martin what John Boswell was like as a bottom.

Ya'll alright there?

I've never felt better.

[Lower Nubia]

I'm gonna ask dale b Martin what John Boswell was like as a bottom.

When you die?

[Camelone]

I just looked at my calendar recently and I noticed that this year the Conception of Blessed Virgin Mary was transferred to my birthday, December 9th, and also the day I am giving my final sermon for my preaching class! The levels of my excitement are very high right now and I truly know what it is that I will be preaching about!

Immaculate conception doesn’t trump the Sunday in advent?

Based on my calendar it does not appear so because it has the annotation "Transferred" underneath it. Also for Anglicans it is simply the feast of the Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

I'm gonna ask dale b Martin what John Boswell was like as a bottom.

...I'm sorry, as a what now?

Let's not ask that particular question.

[San Montalbano]

Saudi arabia is building non stop mosques in europe

What are historically christian nations doing to counter this? How many cathedrals and church s are they building in the middle east?

[Salus Maior]

Saudi arabia is building non stop mosques in europe

What are historically christian nations doing to counter this? How many cathedrals and church s are they building in the middle east?

There are no historically Christian nations that still act as such. Except maybe Poland.

Poland is bae.