The Christian Discussion Thread X: Originally there were 15

[Narland]

Do Christians watch Supernatural?

Would you find the story too offensive?

t is a fictitious story about fictitious monster hunters in a fictitious monstrous world from the secularized imaginations of the showrunner and scriptwriters from Hollywood. It bears no serious relation to Christianity or to what the universe that God created, revealed Himself to be, or shown how us to live. The setting is so unlike reality there was really no reason to find offence even if offense was given.

I watched a about a dozen episodes in the first 3 seasons with a friend, and perhaps 5 from the last 2 seasons. The early episodes were entertaining as though it were Scooby-Doo for grownups with an ominous tone, but the antagonist isn't necessarily unmasked at the end of the episode. The metanarrative of the later seasons was disappointing but typical of Hollywood culture.

It showed that the creators lacked awareness of plain Christianity, or just didn't care. It came across more as story-tellers struggling outside of their expertise trying to make an engaging story despite their ineptitude with rudimentary religious concepts and without regard to reason or logical consistency. I was more embarrassed for them than offended.

[Lord Dominator]

Nothing has happened that you know of, or you can perceive.

MTG is a card based strategy game, it’s not real dude.

Trading card at that, these suckers are mass-produced things of cardboard. I think real demon conspiracies would have better materials

[The New California Republic]

MTG is a card based strategy game, it’s not real dude.

Trading card at that, these suckers are mass-produced things of cardboard. I think real demon conspiracies would have better materials

Tbh I'd say Cards Against Humanity probably has a higher risk of summoning demons.

[Europa Undivided]

I play 40K.

A story is a story.

You’d think 40K would be the target of more moral outrage, with the Imperial Truth being State Atheism, and the only Gods bring complete and total jerks. (Well, there’s Gork & Mork, but that’s just plain violence.)

Isha and Asuryan aren’t jerks

[Kowani]

You’d think 40K would be the target of more moral outrage, with the Imperial Truth being State Atheism, and the only Gods bring complete and total jerks. (Well, there’s Gork & Mork, but that’s just plain violence.)

The Imperial Truth is more theocratic than it is state atheist (I mean, it's basically Space Juche),

I keep mixing up the Imperial Truth and the Empirical Truth. I should read more post Heresy stuff.

and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in 40k that isn't a xenocidal maniac.
No, the Tau do not count. They are a stratified society built on mind control, and while sterilizing and enslaving xenos is definitely less cruel than exterminating them, it's still evil. They only look nice if you compare them to the Imperium.

Stalin looks nice compared to the Imperium.

You’d think 40K would be the target of more moral outrage, with the Imperial Truth being State Atheism, and the only Gods bring complete and total jerks. (Well, there’s Gork & Mork, but that’s just plain violence.)

Blood for the blood god.

…Don’t you believe that you drink the literal blood of Christ?

You’d think 40K would be the target of more moral outrage, with the Imperial Truth being State Atheism, and the only Gods bring complete and total jerks. (Well, there’s Gork & Mork, but that’s just plain violence.)

Isha and Asuryan aren’t jerks

Remind me when they do anything useful.

[Luminesa]

I play MTG.

And I have a Demon Deck.

"Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire,who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft" (Deuteronomy 18:10)

I don’t think he’s actually sacrificing children by playing a demon deck in a card game, buuuut I play as mostly Light Monsters or Fairies when I play YuGiOh, mostly. A long-time preference.

[Sovaal]

Good thing its just a game then.

Your eternity isn't a game.

Because God will send you to hell over mass produced pieces of paper and cardboard.

[Northern Davincia]

"Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire,who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft" (Deuteronomy 18:10)

I don’t think he’s actually sacrificing children by playing a demon deck in a card game, buuuut I play as mostly Light Monsters or Fairies when I play YuGiOh, mostly. A long-time preference.

I need to update my dragon deck. Dinosaurs are always cool, after all.

[CivitasDei]

"Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire,who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft" (Deuteronomy 18:10)

I don’t think he’s actually sacrificing children by playing a demon deck in a card game, buuuut I play as mostly Light Monsters or Fairies when I play YuGiOh, mostly. A long-time preference.

Looks like God’s sending you to the shadow realm. </s>

[Hanafuridake]

Your eternity isn't a game.

You are joking right?, A card game can not summon real demons.

To be honest, if card games summons monsters, I feel like Tajiri Satoshi owes me a Mew.

[Tarsonis]

I don’t think he’s actually sacrificing children by playing a demon deck in a card game, buuuut I play as mostly Light Monsters or Fairies when I play YuGiOh, mostly. A long-time preference.

I need to update my dragon deck. Dinosaurs are always cool, after all.

I sold off my Angel EDH deck. Was worth around a grand, but I stopped playing.

[Kowani]

You are joking right?, A card game can not summon real demons.

To be honest, if card games summons monsters, I feel like Tajiri Satoshi owes me a Mew.

>Not picking Ho-oh.
Heresy.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Don't add more layers that don't exist. You can communicate with other Christians in any denomination, I attended a service and coffee hour with some Orthodox in Glasgow the other week, so communication isn't something unique to Baptists or Pentecostals. Therefore the content of the actual service is the marker here for "better Christian and better person". In a Baptist church, there is NO emphasis on holiness apart from "follow Jesus" which though initially means turning from sin, there are no actual consequences to a sinful life while in the congregation, so it's bluster.

I never said you could only communicate with other Christians in low Church denominations. You can communicate with other Christians in any denomination, in that sense every denomination offers something.

Therefore Church is 30 minutes praise songs (which can be hymnal as I forced at my Church) and 30-minute sermon. That's the Church's life and although you say "better Christian, better person" I note that both praise songs and sermons are not unique conditions to a service, I could, if I wished, get those things on my own without stepping foot in those Church's. Which means, for all intents and purposes, that those churches are just people gatherings with an emphasis on worship, but not on providing anything which cannot be gotten elsewhere. So these Church's are just "happy hour" sing some nice songs, listen to a sermon which is either too complicated for new members, or two simple for older members, and then tea time! Rince, Repeat, ad nauseam.

Receiving sermons live and gathering with other Christians can't really be found in many places other than a Church, in my estimation.

James 5:16; "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." How do you become a Righteous man? ; Matthew 7:21; "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." ; What is the Will of the Father? ; Mark 12:29; "And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." And what other commandments were there? The ending to Matthew 5: "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

There. Biblical, and necessary.

He dwelt with sinners because they needed to know of the consequence of their sin. I.e. hell. Literally you've taken a mission of Christ to go to those in most danger of the consequence of their sin, and turned it into a mission where Jesus does not care about consequence? What sought of reading is that? Why do you think he dwelt with sinners? To redeem them from what?

This seems like a Motte Bailey argument. You're arguing that low-Protestants can't provide sanctification or consequences, with the implication that this is because they can't provide the codified Catholic conception of sanctification of consequences. When I argue that the precise, codified Catholic conception of those things aren't necessary for Christian congregation, you retreat into your motte by giving a very broad definition of sanctification and consequences. A definition which a Protestant Church is not precluded from meeting.

No, they do not have communion. There are at least two rules to communion: Those that take part are members of the Church i.e. Baptised. And that anyone who partakes of communion has sought forgiveness for his sins. Seeing as Baptists do not do these as a necessity to be a Baptist Church, they make of communion a sacrilege, as is clearly revealed in 1 Corinthians 11; "Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world."

Do you have to be Baptised to be a member of the Church? And, the implication from taking communion in a Baptist Church, was that you were meant to take the bread and grape juice, then ponder Jesus' sacrifice and ask for forgiveness from your sins, and then eat and drink the flesh and blood of Christ, etc. That seems like it qualifies for the second rule, though in an admittedly less codified sense than under Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy.

Note two things: One, we need to be worthy, two, that being baptised does not de facto make you worthy. Which means Baptised members must do additional things to be able to partake of the bread and wine. Seeing as Baptists as a denomination do not demand either of these things, I can only say they make a mockery of the communion.

It doesn't demand those things, but it heavily recommends them both. In the Churches I went to, they often stressed not to take communion unless you were prepared to ask forgiveness for your sins and accept Christ as your Lord, thereby becoming a member of God's Church.

If they don't have communion, then their drinking of grape juice (which again, it clearly specifies wine) and their: "remember Jesus' sacrifice for you" line before you partake is simply "guilty grape juice time".

So, those guidelines are not absent, just less codified and less mandatory, which I think is pretty nice.

Depending on your MO, Higher Church Protestants are fine, because communion does something which you can't do on your own, nor merit on your own, it is given. In Low Church Protestants, it doesn't do anything and they take pride in that fact, every communion service I had at a Baptist service always, explicitly told of how communion is just bread, and just 'grape juice', and that it does nothing for you, and that we should use this time to remember Christ's death on the cross. As if that wasn't the whole point of being Christian anyway, i.e. to reveal the good news of Christ's death on the cross and ressurection. Why have a feast for something Christian's need to be remembering and evangelising every day? It's just so bloody pointless.

Well the Baptist Church's you've been to are very different from the ones I've been to. All the Baptist Church's I've been to have stressed that communion does matter, and that the bread is in fact Christ's flesh and the grape juice is in fact Christ's blood.

[San Montalbano]

I think this is a very important discussion to be had in the Christian world
(not speaking as a christian)

What is the Christian world doing about seriously recruiting new followers for the next generation of worshipers?

How is it addressing the mass exodus from Christianity to atheism or Islam?

also, how is it(if it has) been addressing the problems with the Catholic church and it's "issues"(I think we know what I mean)

[Arachkya]

You are joking right?, A card game can not summon real demons.

To be honest, if card games summons monsters, I feel like Tajiri Satoshi owes me a Mew.

And Hasbro owes me a Belzenlok.

[Lost Memories]

Found some stats which could be interesting in understanding why religion is losing some ground to irreligion in US
(assuming it isn't just a matter of labeling and data precision changing, while things have almost always been the same, big chunk of population not being actively religious has been the norm for ages, since ancient ages actually, the actively religious have always been a minority)
https://www.pewforum.org/2018/11/20/whe ... g-in-life/


Failure in addressing family needs?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLisEEwYZvw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=310IvtEGylo


No surprise actually.


religion used as political tool is dumb, or rather shows how open the hostility toward religion is


Obvious again, who has no family doesn't value it, nor understands its value.
Same with the value of marriage, often downplayed.

[Lost Memories]

Some other interesting graphs
from https://www.pewforum.org/2017/02/15/ame ... us-groups/





I'm actually looking back for that graph with the de-re-conversion flux, but i'm finding other stuff in the while.

Another data article: When Americans Say They Believe in God, What Do They Mean?

[Lost Memories]

How is it addressing the mass exodus from Christianity to atheism or Islam?

Before talking about "mass exodus" it's important to know the numbers involved.
(also "atheists" are the "noisy minority" for the irreligious, only a small share of non-religious are atheist)
graphs from The Future of World Religions: Population Growth Projections, 2010-2050 (a 2015 study)
similar data but less detailed from this other 2017 study


While the absolute numbers look big, they're only a little share of the whole religious population growth.
9M net switching over 116M of natural growth for christians. Over a period of 5 years. Around 7% of people lost because of deconversion.
The deconverts taken alone are 13M, and the new converts 5M. That would make the rate of deconversion actually 11%

(the data sets don't really match, 2010-2015 matched with 2015-2020, but couldn't find matching sets, take it as an approximate)

Also, not much of conversion from christianity to islam. As much as these graph don't show the actual flows but just net numbers.
Christianity to irreligious can be inferred, seeing as the numbers out of christianity sort of match the numbers in irreligiousness. But it's hard to deduce anything more, about the other flows. (would love to see a graph with the actual flows)

.
https://religionnews.com/2016/06/28/sou ... one-chart/
https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/ ... stian.html

but sadly the quality is very low, the data old and localized on the US only, which takes out of the picture most other religions, and focuses only on christian irreligious switching

among the flows there was this graph which was interesting

apparently christians don't deconvert a lot, compared to the unreligious, but once they deconvert they keep switching around among undecided, agnostic and atheist, so as little as the deconverts are, they're mostly lost for good.

The conversion to christianity is still bigger than in other religions, but there seems to be a big problem in retention.
There is some real issue in modern christianity's way to evangelize and educate, makes it look superficial, if so many more move out than moving in.

Projections have a similar trend.

2010-2050: 66M net switching over 749M of christian population growth. Around 8% lost to deconversion from christianity.
Raw deconverts 106M, new converts 40M. Over a period of 40 years. So scaled down to a 5 years frame, around again 13M deconverts and 5M converts every 5 years.

On a global scale it's a big movement but not so huge to call it an exodus, while it may be more impactful in specific areas, like america and europe.

Clearly, where the population growth is weak the impact of conversions and deconversions is bigger.
Without adding that the most of deconversions may actually be happening in america and europe.

Aging population is something which should be discussed more, it hardly gets attention.

Was it not for the high number of deaths, from the high share of old people, christianity would be growing like islam.

source

Ideally births and deaths should be more or less balanced, in favor of births, but the current state just shows Europe and its wish to shot itself in the foot.
Most of those nations with christian deaths overnumbering births are in europe.
The causes for demographic loss in europe are two ways, low birthrate (below 2.1 replacement rate) and older population (a drawback from the post war births boom)


That said, it would be nice if the (western) christians (unclear which branch more than others) would stop fueling the (western) unreligious numbers.
Given their projected natural growth.

https://www.pewforum.org/2017/04/05/the ... ate-00-00/

The "one child" policy will do a number on the chinese. China the glorious cradle of non-religiousness.

[East Ustya]

To be honest, if card games summons monsters, I feel like Tajiri Satoshi owes me a Mew.

And Hasbro owes me a Belzenlok.

And me a few more, like priest of the blood rite.

But no its just a card game.

[Tarsonis]

The Imperial Truth is more theocratic than it is state atheist (I mean, it's basically Space Juche),

I keep mixing up the Imperial Truth and the Empirical Truth. I should read more post Heresy stuff.

and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in 40k that isn't a xenocidal maniac.
No, the Tau do not count. They are a stratified society built on mind control, and while sterilizing and enslaving xenos is definitely less cruel than exterminating them, it's still evil. They only look nice if you compare them to the Imperium.

Stalin looks nice compared to the Imperium.

Blood for the blood god.

…Don’t you believe that you drink the literal blood of Christ?

Isha and Asuryan aren’t jerks

Remind me when they do anything useful.

Ahem. The appropriate response is “skulls for the skull throne.”

[Lower Nubia]

Don't add more layers that don't exist. You can communicate with other Christians in any denomination, I attended a service and coffee hour with some Orthodox in Glasgow the other week, so communication isn't something unique to Baptists or Pentecostals. Therefore the content of the actual service is the marker here for "better Christian and better person". In a Baptist church, there is NO emphasis on holiness apart from "follow Jesus" which though initially means turning from sin, there are no actual consequences to a sinful life while in the congregation, so it's bluster.

I never said you could only communicate with other Christians in low Church denominations. You can communicate with other Christians in any denomination, in that sense every denomination offers something.

Except you said: “Happy Sundays and the ability to communicate with other Christians and find out how to be a better Christian and a better person. Isn't that the whole point of Church?”

Yet here you admit that that communication happens in any denomination, including in Catholic services which you said were: “with really stuffy, prudish, outdated sermon and aesthetics with a worship“. If communication is available in both, what were you actually saying here about Happy Sunday’s, if the highlighted area can be removed?

“Happy Sundays and the ability to communicate with other Christians and find out how to be a better Christian and a better person. Isn't that the whole point of Church?”

Therefore Church is 30 minutes praise songs (which can be hymnal as I forced at my Church) and 30-minute sermon. That's the Church's life and although you say "better Christian, better person" I note that both praise songs and sermons are not unique conditions to a service, I could, if I wished, get those things on my own without stepping foot in those Church's. Which means, for all intents and purposes, that those churches are just people gatherings with an emphasis on worship, but not on providing anything which cannot be gotten elsewhere. So these Church's are just "happy hour" sing some nice songs, listen to a sermon which is either too complicated for new members, or two simple for older members, and then tea time! Rince, Repeat, ad nauseam.

Receiving sermons live and gathering with other Christians can't really be found in many places other than a Church, in my estimation.

A sermon being “Live” is an irrelevant factor in the efficacy/truth of a sermon. Gathering needn’t be Church based either. Technically a family of four Low Church Protestants at home counts as a gathering, and such a situation can be found outside their Church easily. Whereas if you want the Eucharist as a Catholic (need is the better word as it is necessary for salvation) you must go to a Catholic Church. So far you haven’t bought any evidence that going to a Low Church Protestant Church is even necessary as a low Church Protestant.

James 5:16; "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." How do you become a Righteous man? ; Matthew 7:21; "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." ; What is the Will of the Father? ; Mark 12:29; "And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." And what other commandments were there? The ending to Matthew 5: "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

There. Biblical, and necessary.

He dwelt with sinners because they needed to know of the consequence of their sin. I.e. hell. Literally you've taken a mission of Christ to go to those in most danger of the consequence of their sin, and turned it into a mission where Jesus does not care about consequence? What sought of reading is that? Why do you think he dwelt with sinners? To redeem them from what?

This seems like a Motte Bailey argument. You're arguing that low-Protestants can't provide sanctification or consequences, with the implication that this is because they can't provide the codified Catholic conception of sanctification of consequences.

Incorrect. I utilised the Bible, not the catechism, to emphasise sanctification and repentance, I've already put sanctification in the Low Church Protestants court. I’m further saying that Low Church Protestants talk of repentance but that there are no consequences for no repentance. This is evidence I have as a speaker and Baptist across multiple Church’s over 10 years. There is no discipline for sin. Full stop. Nor any means to force members into questioning their sin. Therefore Baptist Church’s do not focus on the matter and instead focus on evangelism to counter the void from such issues.

If it is a focus in the Church as I emphasised as a speaker, it is an independent initiative of that Church and not the focus of that denomination. Which is the issue.

When I argue that the precise, codified Catholic conception of those things aren't necessary for Christian congregation, you retreat into your motte by giving a very broad definition of sanctification and consequences. A definition which a Protestant Church is not precluded from meeting.

My line of prior argument already established that the motte and bailey exists only in your imagination.

Sanctification is simply - achieving holiness, I’m not Catholic, therefore you argument that I argue for Catholic sanctification is clearly false, because I certainly did not advocate the Catholic catechism in my speaking to Baptist congregation. Again, the motte and bailey does not exist.

No, they do not have communion. There are at least two rules to communion: Those that take part are members of the Church i.e. Baptised. And that anyone who partakes of communion has sought forgiveness for his sins. Seeing as Baptists do not do these as a necessity to be a Baptist Church, they make of communion a sacrilege, as is clearly revealed in 1 Corinthians 11; "Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world."

Do you have to be Baptised to be a member of the Church? And, the implication from taking communion in a Baptist Church, was that you were meant to take the bread and grape juice, then ponder Jesus' sacrifice and ask for forgiveness from your sins, and then eat and drink the flesh and blood of Christ, etc. That seems like it qualifies for the second rule, though in an admittedly less codified sense than under Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy.

Yes, you must be baptised to be a member of a Baptist Church.

I already revealed in scripture that it is necessary, if the Baptist denomination does not require it then they have failed to provide communion without making of it a sacrilege.

The “ponder Jesus’ sacrifice and ask forgiveness from your sins” is not true, only the first part is true, the ‘ask forgiveness’ is not a necessity of the denomination, but of individual Church’s. As is revealed on the SBC’s statement of faith communion is:

“The Lord's Supper is a symbolic act of obedience whereby members of the church, through partaking of the bread and the fruit of the vine, memorialize the death of the Redeemer and anticipate His second coming.”

If it is not required to seek forgiveness for sins then my statement concerning “Eat’s unworthily” is correct and they fail the second requirement. Ergo they have no rules concerning communion, and thus it is “guilty grape juice time”.

Note two things: One, we need to be worthy, two, that being baptised does not de facto make you worthy. Which means Baptised members must do additional things to be able to partake of the bread and wine. Seeing as Baptists as a denomination do not demand either of these things, I can only say they make a mockery of the communion.

It doesn't demand those things, but it heavily recommends them both. In the Churches I went to, they often stressed not to take communion unless you were prepared to ask forgiveness for your sins and accept Christ as your Lord, thereby becoming a member of God's Church.

This is stupid. If eating unworthily effects the soul so gravely, then the Church’s job is to mitigate this damnation as much as possible, if a Church does not have such requirements to partake in communion, they have failed as a church. By allowing the soul in any respect to enter into condemnation.

If they don't have communion, then their drinking of grape juice (which again, it clearly specifies wine) and their: "remember Jesus' sacrifice for you" line before you partake is simply "guilty grape juice time".

So, those guidelines are not absent, just less codified and less mandatory, which I think is pretty nice.

They are clearly absent. It would be stupid not to have such guidelines.

Depending on your MO, Higher Church Protestants are fine, because communion does something which you can't do on your own, nor merit on your own, it is given. In Low Church Protestants, it doesn't do anything and they take pride in that fact, every communion service I had at a Baptist service always, explicitly told of how communion is just bread, and just 'grape juice', and that it does nothing for you, and that we should use this time to remember Christ's death on the cross. As if that wasn't the whole point of being Christian anyway, i.e. to reveal the good news of Christ's death on the cross and ressurection. Why have a feast for something Christian's need to be remembering and evangelising every day? It's just so bloody pointless.

Well the Baptist Church's you've been to are very different from the ones I've been to. All the Baptist Church's I've been to have stressed that communion does matter, and that the bread is in fact Christ's flesh and the grape juice is in fact Christ's blood.

Well, you’ve just met the issue about being Baptist 101, no two Baptist Church’s are alike doctrinally, and with proper communion (again by just the two requirements I emphasised), so good look finding one with your beliefs, unlike the ancient Churches, which have uniform doctrine.

In addition, your experience is a very clear minority in Baptist Church’s.

Especially seeing as memorialism is the doctrine of the SBC, IMB, ABC and BUoGB.

[Europa Undivided]

I think this is a very important discussion to be had in the Christian world
(not speaking as a christian)

What is the Christian world doing about seriously recruiting new followers for the next generation of worshipers?

How is it addressing the mass exodus from Christianity to atheism or Islam?

also, how is it(if it has) been addressing the problems with the Catholic church and it's "issues"(I think we know what I mean)

Asia, Africa, and Latin America have seen a huge conversion rate to Christianity. China in particular is actually poised to The the planet’s most Christian nation in 15 or so years.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldn ... years.html

[Kowani]

I think this is a very important discussion to be had in the Christian world
(not speaking as a christian)

What is the Christian world doing about seriously recruiting new followers for the next generation of worshipers?

How is it addressing the mass exodus from Christianity to atheism or Islam?

also, how is it(if it has) been addressing the problems with the Catholic church and it's "issues"(I think we know what I mean)

Asia, Africa, and Latin America have seen a huge conversion rate to Christianity. China in particular is actually poised to The the planet’s most Christian nation in 15 or so years.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldn ... years.html

I’m sure the CCP definitely won’t pull a Uyghur 2.0.

[Nioya]

Yesterday my church honored Samuel Seabury.

https://www.lectionarypage.net/LesserFF ... abury.html

[Hakons]

Asia, Africa, and Latin America have seen a huge conversion rate to Christianity. China in particular is actually poised to The the planet’s most Christian nation in 15 or so years.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldn ... years.html

I’m sure the CCP definitely won’t pull a Uyghur 2.0.

The CCP's persecution of Christians is different than the mass concentration camps for Uyghurs, but I guess it's a possibility. The government continues to shut down Churches and imprison priests/pastors. The Vatican negotiated an agreement with the CCP, where the Pope was recognized as the head of Catholics in China, and in turn the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association had their bishops recognized as valid. This was controversial among Catholics, and Catholics that aren't in the association have faced increased persecution.