The Christian Discussion Thread X: Originally there were 15

[Tarsonis]

I did not use KJV, I'm a Catholic. I used NRSV. The Church Fathers, who spoke Greek natively unlike you and I, all knew the word ἀρσενοκοῖται referred to homosexuals.

My Bible says otherwise, and its approved by the Holy Mother Church.

Your bible might use a different word specifically, but it’s always been understood that ἀρσενοκοῖται means ”one who commits homosexual acts. Modern commentary suggesting otherwise is revisionism by pro lgbt sects. ἀρσενοκοῖται is a gerund. In English, its most literal translation is “man bedder” i.e a man who has sex with other men.

[Sundiata]

I was going over the gospel of Matthew and I was reminded of the importance of serving others. Christ was the most important person, the most powerful person, but he did not come to live in luxury or conquer. He came to serve the least amongst us: the poor, the sick, those in need of mercy.

The most merciful king.

[Philjia]

Wait... what?

On a related note, how is this distinguished from acts like exorcism, seeing as Catholic priests can be trained in this?

Because witchcraft is believed to harness the powers and spirit of Satanic deities or Satan himself, whereas exorcism is used to counteract the will and actions of Satan.

Similarly, many old churches are adorned with grotesque figures believed to repel evil, and rowan wood was believed to have a similar effect.

[Arachkya]

My Bible says otherwise, and its approved by the Holy Mother Church.

Your bible might use a different word specifically, but it’s always been understood that ἀρσενοκοῖται means ”one who commits homosexual acts. Modern commentary suggesting otherwise is revisionism by pro lgbt sects. ἀρσενοκοῖται is a gerund. In English, its most literal translation is “man bedder” i.e a man who has sex with other men.

It was men who layed with young boys.

That was the culture in ancient Greece.

[New Thrinia]

Your bible might use a different word specifically, but it’s always been understood that ἀρσενοκοῖται means ”one who commits homosexual acts. Modern commentary suggesting otherwise is revisionism by pro lgbt sects. ἀρσενοκοῖται is a gerund. In English, its most literal translation is “man bedder” i.e a man who has sex with other men.

It was men who layed with young boys.

That was the culture in ancient Greece.

This.

Old men often abused their young students in this way.

Besides, Paul also said women should not speak in church, and in my church they read the epistle.

[Dogmeat]

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You might want to edit the first word of that.

[Arachkya]

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You might want to edit the first word of that.

Thanks.

[Philjia]

Your bible might use a different word specifically, but it’s always been understood that ἀρσενοκοῖται means ”one who commits homosexual acts. Modern commentary suggesting otherwise is revisionism by pro lgbt sects. ἀρσενοκοῖται is a gerund. In English, its most literal translation is “man bedder” i.e a man who has sex with other men.

I was men who layed with young boys.

That was the culture in ancient Greece.

The erômenos were usually ephebes; although they would be considered children by modern standards, in Greek culture they were at the age at which they would undertake military training and gain citizenship.

[Arachkya]

I was men who layed with young boys.

That was the culture in ancient Greece.

The erômenos were usually ephebes; although they would be considered children by modern standards, in Greek culture they were at the age at which they would undertake military training and gain citizenship.

It is not about their age, it was about the abuse of power on the part of the teachers.

[Salus Maior]

Oh no, not Arsenokoitai again.

[New Thrinia]

Oh no, not Arsenokoitai again.

Fear not, I made my point, and I am done.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Oh no, not Arsenokoitai again.

Yeah, why didn't that Paul fella write in modern English so we could all understand him. This guy sounds like a real jerk!

[Salus Maior]

>When apparently you have to explain to another supposed Catholic why depicting Our Mother as a naked nature goddess would be a bad thing.

You know, I've never managed to get into drinking alcohol, but the Church might get me to that point.

[CivitasDei]

>When apparently you have to explain to another supposed Catholic why depicting Our Mother as a naked nature goddess would be a bad thing.

You know, I've never managed to get into drinking alcohol, but the Church might get me to that point.

Yikes. That sounds pretty close to heresy.

[Salus Maior]

>When apparently you have to explain to another supposed Catholic why depicting Our Mother as a naked nature goddess would be a bad thing.

You know, I've never managed to get into drinking alcohol, but the Church might get me to that point.

Yikes. That sounds pretty close to heresy.

It is. Pretty damn terrible heresy.

But the Church isn't doing anything about it. The current generation of Catholic (well, Christian in general imo) leaders are limp wristed and too afraid for their image to do the right thing. A generation unworthy of their positions in my frank opinion.

[Ghost in the Shell]

I did not use KJV, I'm a Catholic. I used NRSV. The Church Fathers, who spoke Greek natively unlike you and I, all knew the word ἀρσενοκοῖται referred to homosexuals.

That's funny, that you're Catholic. Catholic Christians are in fact the sect which believes that all human can be saved- hence why I disagree with Catholicism. But I don't believe that a homosexual who practices privately should go to Hell when a baptized serial killer who repented before his execution could go to Heaven.

Yes. A baptised serial killer who sincerely repented before his execution can go to heaven. Just as a a baptised man who commit homosexual acts through out his life but repented on his death bed could go to heaven. However for one who takes pleasure in his sins and does not repent, they are lowering their chance of salvation.

And I should correct you... There is no denomination of Christianity that believes some humans can't be saved. Anyone who believes that isn't a Christian.

[Ghost in the Shell]

I did not use KJV, I'm a Catholic. I used NRSV. The Church Fathers, who spoke Greek natively unlike you and I, all knew the word ἀρσενοκοῖται referred to homosexuals.

My Bible says otherwise, and its approved by the Holy Mother Church.

Cool. Who knows more? The Church Fathers, native Greek speakers, or your Bible translator? Unfortunately for you, the answer is the former.

It was men who layed with young boys.

That was the culture in ancient Greece.

This.

Old men often abused their young students in this way.

Besides, Paul also said women should not speak in church, and in my church they read the epistle.

Your church sucks lmao. Saint Paul was right, you and your local clergy are wrong.
ἀρσενοκοῖται refers to homosexuality. There is no way to get around that unless you believe Church teaching was wrong until the 1960s. Though knowing some of you lot, that wouldn't surprise me. The quote from Pope St. Pius X in my signature should make it clear my stance on Church teaching

[Greater Cesnica]

Okay so my backstory: I was born an Ahmadi Muslim. In Grade 7, I finally read the Quran in English, and did not like many suras. Hence, I began to see myself as an agnostic. I don't think I'm a bad person. I've been relatively outcast from the Christian tradition, though I have been present within Orthodox and Catholic congregations and masses through friends and acquaintances. I wish to not burn in Hellfire.

[Europa Undivided]

That's funny, that you're Catholic. Catholic Christians are in fact the sect which believes that all human can be saved- hence why I disagree with Catholicism. But I don't believe that a homosexual who practices privately should go to Hell when a baptized serial killer who repented before his execution could go to Heaven.

Yes. A baptised serial killer who sincerely repented before his execution can go to heaven. Just as a a baptised man who commit homosexual acts through out his life but repented on his death bed could go to heaven. However for one who takes pleasure in his sins and does not repent, they are lowering their chance of salvation.

And I should correct you... There is no denomination of Christianity that believes some humans can't be saved. Anyone who believes that isn't a Christian.

*Those Who believe in predestination wave at you*

[Europa Undivided]

>When apparently you have to explain to another supposed Catholic why depicting Our Mother as a naked nature goddess would be a bad thing.

You know, I've never managed to get into drinking alcohol, but the Church might get me to that point.

We Protestants don’t see Mary as our mother but we would see this as just disrespectful to the core.

[Ghost in the Shell]

Yes. A baptised serial killer who sincerely repented before his execution can go to heaven. Just as a a baptised man who commit homosexual acts through out his life but repented on his death bed could go to heaven. However for one who takes pleasure in his sins and does not repent, they are lowering their chance of salvation.

And I should correct you... There is no denomination of Christianity that believes some humans can't be saved. Anyone who believes that isn't a Christian.

*Those Who believe in predestination wave at you*

While I believe Lutherans and Anglicans etc. are Christians, just misguided, there are many Protestant denominations I struggle to consider to be Christian. Among them, Calvinism.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Without talking any positions at all. Worried I’m gonna get “heat for this”.... here goes


Is it possible to prove god exists.






I could be atheist/agnostic, or I could be trying to convince someone, point is, can it be logically proven ?

[Sundiata]

Without talking any positions at all. Worried I’m gonna get “heat for this”.... here goes


Is it possible to prove god exists.






I could be atheist/agnostic, or I could be trying to convince someone, point is, can it be logically proven ?

Summa Theologica: Thomas Aquinas

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Without talking any positions at all. Worried I’m gonna get “heat for this”.... here goes


Is it possible to prove god exists.






I could be atheist/agnostic, or I could be trying to convince someone, point is, can it be logically proven ?

Summa Theologica: Thomas Aquinas

The book ?

[Lower Nubia]

Without talking any positions at all. Worried I’m gonna get “heat for this”.... here goes

Is it possible to prove god exists.

I could be atheist/agnostic, or I could be trying to convince someone, point is, can it be logically proven ?

Tar’s gonna love you for bringing the “Does God exist?” Question back into the thread.

You can’t test for proof God exists, as any observable possibility can be accounted for by multiple hypothesis (some atheistical, some theistical). However, you can prove it by logical characteristics. Seeing as we know that an atheistical universe must stretch back effectively for eternity, without accounting for any quality of “eternity” within those systems. Basically that means seeing as there is not eternity in any object without admitting to the existence of aseity, the origin of everything becomes a catch 22, between the origin of laws, and those laws being a necessity to “allow” something, rather than nothing, to happen.