The Christian Discussion Thread X: Originally there were 15

[Ghost in the Shell]

And Christ said "go forth and sin no more." (John 8:11)
I specified "unrepentant" for a reason. All sinners can be forgiven if they turn to Christ, sincerely ask for his forgiveness and intend with his grace to sin no more. Christ came not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance (Luke 5:32).


It isn't private because God knows what is happening and all sins hurt God.


Murder, in all situations especially that of the Orlando nightclub shooting, is wrong. In fact homicide is a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance. Just like homosexuality.


So St. Paul was being vein?

"Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God." - 1 Cor. 6:9-10

Didn't Christ preach that Homosexuals should be accepted and that even an Ethiopian Eunuch was baptized?

Matthew 19:11-12

11“Not everyone can accept this word,” He replied, “but only those to whom it has been given. 12For there are eunuchs who were born that way; others were made that way by men; and still others live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

Yes we should accept them and help them reject the temptation of sodomy. Church teaching is clear on this: "Homosexual persons are called to chastity." CCC 2359

[Greater Cesnica]

No, but you are just using the words to justify your own hatred and contempt.

And that should say Pederasts, stop reading the King James version.

And you need to know the Greek culture of the time to understand what he was saying.

I did not use KJV, I'm a Catholic. I used NRSV. The Church Fathers, who spoke Greek natively unlike you and I, all knew the word ἀρσενοκοῖται referred to homosexuals.

That's funny, that you're Catholic. Catholic Christians are in fact the sect which believes that all human can be saved- hence why I disagree with Catholicism. But I don't believe that a homosexual who practices privately should go to Hell when a baptized serial killer who repented before his execution could go to Heaven.

[Greater Cesnica]

Only God can make that judgement. Knowing that baptism is a prerequisite for salvation, it is very very very unlikely that the nasibi Omar Mateen went anywhere but hell. As for his victims, God may show mercy on them. But I cannot say because only He knows.

Do you know that there are several layers to hell? Limbo for example is a place in hell for righteous Pagans, who may have not experience the supernatural happiness of heaven but experience natural happiness. It's also a place for babies who were not baptized not through their own fault.

Can it really be called Hell then?

[New Thrinia]

No, but you are just using the words to justify your own hatred and contempt.

And that should say Pederasts, stop reading the King James version.

And you need to know the Greek culture of the time to understand what he was saying.

I did not use KJV, I'm a Catholic. I used NRSV. The Church Fathers, who spoke Greek natively unlike you and I, all knew the word ἀρσενοκοῖται referred to homosexuals.

My Bible says otherwise, and its approved by the Holy Mother Church.

[Isles of Metanoia]

I did not use KJV, I'm a Catholic. I used NRSV. The Church Fathers, who spoke Greek natively unlike you and I, all knew the word ἀρσενοκοῖται referred to homosexuals.

That's funny, that you're Catholic. Catholic Christians are in fact the sect which believes that all human can be saved- hence why I disagree with Catholicism. But I don't believe that a homosexual who practices privately should go to Hell when a baptized serial killer who repented before his execution could go to Heaven.

No the baptized serial killer will still go to purgatory before heaven. He will still suffer, also a homosexual isn't even condemned by Christ he said explicitly that it's a hard teaching to accept but that, homosexuals do exist. Christ himself accepted homosexuals. You're not going to hell for being gay.

[Greater Cesnica]

That's funny, that you're Catholic. Catholic Christians are in fact the sect which believes that all human can be saved- hence why I disagree with Catholicism. But I don't believe that a homosexual who practices privately should go to Hell when a baptized serial killer who repented before his execution could go to Heaven.

No the baptized serial killer will still go to purgatory before heaven. He will still suffer, also a homosexual isn't even condemned by Christ he said explicitly that it's a hard teaching to accept but that, homosexuals do exist. Christ himself accepted homosexuals. You're not going to hell for being gay.

I know I agree with you lol

[New Visayan Islands]

Do you know that there are several layers to hell? Limbo for example is a place in hell for righteous Pagans, who may have not experience the supernatural happiness of heaven but experience natural happiness. It's also a place for babies who were not baptized not through their own fault.

Can it really be called Hell then?

If we go by "Hell as Eternal Separation from The Presence of God," I'm pretty sure it still qualifies.

Although to be fair, Dante did lace his Divine Comedy with some political commentary lest memory fails me.

[Isles of Metanoia]

Do you know that there are several layers to hell? Limbo for example is a place in hell for righteous Pagans, who may have not experience the supernatural happiness of heaven but experience natural happiness. It's also a place for babies who were not baptized not through their own fault.

Can it really be called Hell then?

Yes it is still hell. Hell is disconnection from the purifying grace of God but obviously there will be righteous Pagans who were, through invincible ignorance, denied the grace of knowing Christ and cannot be morally faulted for Christian's lack of preaching.

[New Thrinia]

Can it really be called Hell then?

Yes it is still hell. Hell is disconnection from the purifying grace of God but obviously there will be righteous Pagans who were, through invincible ignorance, denied the grace of knowing Christ and cannot be morally faulted for Christian's lack of preaching.

And a loving God would send BABIES to Hell?

I thought that archaic belief was changed ages ago.

[Greater Cesnica]

Can it really be called Hell then?

Yes it is still hell. Hell is disconnection from the purifying grace of God but obviously there will be righteous Pagans who were, through invincible ignorance, denied the grace of knowing Christ and cannot be morally faulted for Christian's lack of preaching.

Would they ever see that Grace if their predicament is through no fault of their own?

[Greater Cesnica]

Yes it is still hell. Hell is disconnection from the purifying grace of God but obviously there will be righteous Pagans who were, through invincible ignorance, denied the grace of knowing Christ and cannot be morally faulted for Christian's lack of preaching.

And a loving God would send BABIES to Hell?

I thought that archaic belief was changed ages ago.

It's strict dogmatic interpretation. Of course the Lord knows better.

[New Thrinia]

And a loving God would send BABIES to Hell?

I thought that archaic belief was changed ages ago.

It's strict dogmatic interpretation. Of course the Lord knows better.

Seems more like a Evangelical interpretation to me.....

[Greater Cesnica]

It's strict dogmatic interpretation. Of course the Lord knows better.

Seems more like a Evangelical interpretation to me.....

Hey I'm not even Christian, I just had the fortune of attending a Catholic school growing up.

[New Thrinia]

Seems more like a Evangelical interpretation to me.....

Hey I'm not even Christian, I just had the fortune of attending a Catholic school growing up.

Just saying, nothing personal.

[Isles of Metanoia]

Yes it is still hell. Hell is disconnection from the purifying grace of God but obviously there will be righteous Pagans who were, through invincible ignorance, denied the grace of knowing Christ and cannot be morally faulted for Christian's lack of preaching.

And a loving God would send BABIES to Hell?

I thought that archaic belief was changed ages ago.

The baby still inherits the Original sin of our Forefathers Adam and Eve, allthough they have pure souls. Limbo isn't even a suffering place it is a state of perfect natural happiness; albeit disconnected from the supernatural happiness in God. Heaven is the Saint's participation with God, but God has still imbued his image and likeness in all creation even when that creation is fallen or disconnected from him. Limbo being perfect natural happiness may subsist in an image or imprint of a idealic creation that is pure but not divinized via Christ.

[Greater Cesnica]

Hey I'm not even Christian, I just had the fortune of attending a Catholic school growing up.

Just saying, nothing personal.

Yeah yeah.

I personally feel that a lot of interpretation of Judeo-Christian scriptures and especially Islamic scriptures nowadays is heavily skewed and decidedly inaccurate due to the lack of contextual understanding of the era and time of these texts being given to us.

[New Thrinia]

Just saying, nothing personal.

Yeah yeah.

I personally feel that a lot of interpretation of Judeo-Christian scriptures and especially Islamic scriptures nowadays is heavily skewed and decidedly inaccurate due to the lack of contextual understanding of the era and time of these texts being given to us.

True.

Very true.

[Isles of Metanoia]

Yes it is still hell. Hell is disconnection from the purifying grace of God but obviously there will be righteous Pagans who were, through invincible ignorance, denied the grace of knowing Christ and cannot be morally faulted for Christian's lack of preaching.

Would they ever see that Grace if their predicament is through no fault of their own?

The only thing impending their entrance into hell and damning the righteous Pagans to be merely in Limbo, a nice place for righteous Pagans but not as great as Christians' heaven are the Christians' own lack of fervor and effort to save souls.

[Tarsonis]

Yes it is still hell. Hell is disconnection from the purifying grace of God but obviously there will be righteous Pagans who were, through invincible ignorance, denied the grace of knowing Christ and cannot be morally faulted for Christian's lack of preaching.

And a loving God would send BABIES to Hell?

I thought that archaic belief was changed ages ago.

Just gonna chime in with limbo is not an official Doctrine of the Church. It was a popular theological opinion up through the 19th century, but largely fell out of favor in the 20th century. The Church’s official stance is that while we have hope for the fate of the unborn and unbaptized infants, we cannot say for sure. Popular opinion though does seem to be that they are admitted to heaven.

[New Thrinia]

And a loving God would send BABIES to Hell?

I thought that archaic belief was changed ages ago.

Just gonna chime in with limbo is not an official Doctrine of the Church. It was a popular theological opinion up through the 19th century, but largely fell out of favor in the 20th century. The Church’s official stance is that while we have hope for the fate of the unborn and unbaptized infants, we cannot say for sure. Popular opinion though does seem to be that they are admitted to heaven.

Thank you, that makes sense.

[Elmwood]

And a loving God would send BABIES to Hell?

I thought that archaic belief was changed ages ago.

Just gonna chime in with limbo is not an official Doctrine of the Church. It was a popular theological opinion up through the 19th century, but largely fell out of favor in the 20th century. The Church’s official stance is that while we have hope for the fate of the unborn and unbaptized infants, we cannot say for sure. Popular opinion though does seem to be that they are admitted to heaven.

With all due respect, most of orthodox catholic doctrine fell out of favour in the mid twentieth century.

[New Thrinia]

Also, I recently saw Catholic/Christian themed Witchcraft books, and I do not think that is a good thing.

Understatement btw.

[Arachkya]

Also, I recently saw Catholic/Christian themed Witchcraft books, and I do not think that is a good thing.

Understatement btw.

Oh I know, I have seem them.

Agreed.

[Diarcesia]

Also, I recently saw Catholic/Christian themed Witchcraft books, and I do not think that is a good thing.

Understatement btw.

Wait... what?

On a related note, how is this distinguished from acts like exorcism, seeing as Catholic priests can be trained in this?

[Greater Cesnica]

Also, I recently saw Catholic/Christian themed Witchcraft books, and I do not think that is a good thing.

Understatement btw.

Wait... what?

On a related note, how is this distinguished from acts like exorcism, seeing as Catholic priests can be trained in this?

Because witchcraft is believed to harness the powers and spirit of Satanic deities or Satan himself, whereas exorcism is used to counteract the will and actions of Satan.