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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
334
36%
Eastern Orthodox
85
9%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
6
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
57
6%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
96
10%
Methodist
16
2%
Baptist
95
10%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
72
8%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
37
4%
Other Christian
137
15%
 
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:28 pm

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Eh, paganism and satanism are two sides of the same coin more or less.


Paganism is just a derogatory word for a bunch of unrelated religions which happen to believe in multiple deities. There's not one coin with two sides but a bunch of different wildly different coins.

The Catholic view is that all pagan gods are actually demons who tricked mankind into worshipping them, hence why paganism is Satanic.
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:32 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Paganism is just a derogatory word for a bunch of unrelated religions which happen to believe in multiple deities. There's not one coin with two sides but a bunch of different wildly different coins.

The Catholic view is that all pagan gods are actually demons who tricked mankind into worshipping them, hence why paganism is Satanic.

So can I invent my own demon?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:39 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:The Catholic view is that all pagan gods are actually demons who tricked mankind into worshipping them, hence why paganism is Satanic.

So can I invent my own demon?

If an old story around John Chrysostom has any weight, the number humans from Adam to the last human born is only 1% of the number of demons in existence. Odds are your demon already exists.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:39 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:So Judaism and Islam are satanic now? :eyebrow:

In a way, yes. The phrase "Synagogue of Satan" did not originate from nowhere. Judaism nowadays is in error by ignoring the prophets, and Islam is based on the words of a false prophet.

You can’t ignore any prophets when they weren’t a prophet but a blasphemer
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Postby Luminesa » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:41 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:So Judaism and Islam are satanic now? :eyebrow:

In a way, yes. The phrase "Synagogue of Satan" did not originate from nowhere. Judaism nowadays is in error by ignoring the prophets, and Islam is based on the words of a false prophet.

The Catholic Church accepts Jews as our elder brothers in faith, according to the Catechism. They're not Satanists. We think they have some truth, but not all of the revealed truth of the Gospel.
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Postby Luminesa » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:41 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:The Catholic view is that all pagan gods are actually demons who tricked mankind into worshipping them, hence why paganism is Satanic.

So can I invent my own demon?

If you're writing a story, probably. CS Lewis did.
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:41 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:So can I invent my own demon?

If an old story around John Chrysostom has any weight, the number humans from Adam to the last human born is only 1% of the number of demons in existence. Odds are your demon already exists.

Sick. I'm calling him "Kevin". He likes peanut butter and causes your shoes to get wet, even after it rains, because when you walk a little bit of the water leftover splashes onto a part of your shoe that's not covered by the toe. He also enjoys tempting people into talking a bit too much at parties and embarrassing themselves without knowing it.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:42 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:In a way, yes. The phrase "Synagogue of Satan" did not originate from nowhere. Judaism nowadays is in error by ignoring the prophets, and Islam is based on the words of a false prophet.

You can’t ignore any prophets when they weren’t a prophet but a blasphemer

When nearly all your prophets build up to the arrival of the Messiah, and you ignore that Messiah (and execute Him), you are ignoring the prophets. It's pretty simple.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:42 pm

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Life isn't about happyness or pleasure. Happyness and pleasure is more often than not mere salt in our meal. Or a bonus or dessert to indulge in if you will so. No, its about survival and advancement in the face of hardships and an unforgiving and uncaring universe. Only through this determination we can survive and march on. Others may find solace in their idea of an different universe and indulge in it and find happyness within. Let them be so. For us though this is not our way, for we do not remain there amongst them in slavery, for we strive forward regardless of all the odds, towards to new horizons and the stars. This is our curse, our potential, our destiny, our wyrd.

For we shall inherit the world.



Hail Satan, Prince of Life!

Not the satanism thread


No but it was time to offer JPS a choice.

The one opposed to yours.

Free will also comes along with the possibility of a choice. Even if its, from your (or perhaps a christian) perspective the wrong one, its there for a reason. One may like it or not.

And after all, someone has to be the devil's advocate or representative. We both know that, for our own reasons each.

Ghost in the Shell wrote:So satanic then.


No. Not at all. At least from my perspective, and I would know. ; )

It can be assumed that the People who put the Pachamama were "good christians" who did so with good intentions. Not like they were intending to desecrate the church or such.
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:43 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You can’t ignore any prophets when they weren’t a prophet but a blasphemer

When nearly all your prophets build up to the arrival of the Messiah, and you ignore that Messiah (and execute Him), you are ignoring the prophets. It's pretty simple.

He's not the Messiah, he's been a very naughty boy.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:45 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:In a way, yes. The phrase "Synagogue of Satan" did not originate from nowhere. Judaism nowadays is in error by ignoring the prophets, and Islam is based on the words of a false prophet.

The Catholic Church accepts Jews as our elder brothers in faith, according to the Catechism. They're not Satanists. We think they have some truth, but not all of the revealed truth of the Gospel.

The message of the Old Testament is left hollow without Christ. Obviously they're not Satanists, but they are still in error.
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Northern Davincia wrote:When nearly all your prophets build up to the arrival of the Messiah, and you ignore that Messiah (and execute Him), you are ignoring the prophets. It's pretty simple.

He's not the Messiah, he's been a very naughty boy.

Your choice of words concerns me.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:48 pm

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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:He's not the Messiah, he's been a very naughty boy.

Your choice of words concerns me.

Do you get the reference?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:51 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:
Your choice of words concerns me.

Do you get the reference?

I do not, which is disheartening. My encyclopedic knowledge of references has failed me.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:55 pm

Nakena wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:Not the satanism thread


No but it was time to offer JPS a choice.

The one opposed to yours.

Free will also comes along with the possibility of a choice. Even if its, from your (or perhaps a christian) perspective the wrong one, its there for a reason. One may like it or not.

And after all, someone has to be the devil's advocate or representative. We both know that, for our own reasons each.

Ghost in the Shell wrote:So satanic then.


No. Not at all. At least from my perspective, and I would know. ; )

It can be assumed that the People who put the Pachamama were "good christians" who did so with good intentions. Not like they were intending to desecrate the church or such.



Still posting “Hail Satan” in the CDT? You don’t see how that can be seen as antagonistic?
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:56 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Do you get the reference?

I do not, which is disheartening. My encyclopedic knowledge of references has failed me.

It's Monty Python's "Life of Brain". I recommend.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:56 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You can’t ignore any prophets when they weren’t a prophet but a blasphemer

When nearly all your prophets build up to the arrival of the Messiah, and you ignore that Messiah (and execute Him), you are ignoring the prophets. It's pretty simple.

If you want to completely ignore all of the Jewish history regarding the messiah sure go ahead. In Judaism a messiah can be literally just a savior or great person that jewish people hold in high regard, like Cyrus the Great. Messiah can also refer to the end times. When the messiah comes the world will end. As the world didn’t end when Jesus appeared it’s safe to say that he’s not the king messiah.

Also Jesus was put to death because he blasphemed by claiming he was god.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:57 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:When nearly all your prophets build up to the arrival of the Messiah, and you ignore that Messiah (and execute Him), you are ignoring the prophets. It's pretty simple.

He's not the Messiah, he's been a very naughty boy.

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Postby Celritannia » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:59 pm

Ghost in the Shell wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Pachamama isn’t even satanic, considering that she’s the Inca goddess of life

So satanic then.


So other cultures who held different gods are satanic simply because they never heard or knew of Christianity?
The majority of the world did not know what Christianity was until Imperial Expansionism.
Do you know how many great cultures were lost simply because of that ideology?

The great Roman Empire where the head of the Catholic Church sits was once Pagan, and helped develop modern Europe and the Mediterranean as we know it.
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:59 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Ghost in the Shell wrote:So satanic then.


So other cultures who held different gods a satanic simply because they never heard or knew of Christianity?
The majority of the world did not know what Christianity was until Imperial Expansionism.
The Great Roman Empire where the head of the Catholic Church sits was once Pagan, and helped develop modern Europe and the Mediterranean as we know it.

Welcome to the cannibalistic pure ideology that is Christianity.
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Postby Luminesa » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:00 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Luminesa wrote:The Catholic Church accepts Jews as our elder brothers in faith, according to the Catechism. They're not Satanists. We think they have some truth, but not all of the revealed truth of the Gospel.

The message of the Old Testament is left hollow without Christ. Obviously they're not Satanists, but they are still in error.
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:He's not the Messiah, he's been a very naughty boy.

Your choice of words concerns me.

Well then it wasn't necessarily proper to equate Judaism with Satanism.
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Postby Luminesa » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:03 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:When nearly all your prophets build up to the arrival of the Messiah, and you ignore that Messiah (and execute Him), you are ignoring the prophets. It's pretty simple.

If you want to completely ignore all of the Jewish history regarding the messiah sure go ahead. In Judaism a messiah can be literally just a savior or great person that jewish people hold in high regard, like Cyrus the Great. Messiah can also refer to the end times. When the messiah comes the world will end. As the world didn’t end when Jesus appeared it’s safe to say that he’s not the king messiah.

Also Jesus was put to death because he blasphemed by claiming he was god.

Do Jews believe in anything like a rapture?
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Postby Nakena » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:04 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
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No but it was time to offer JPS a choice.

The one opposed to yours.

Free will also comes along with the possibility of a choice. Even if its, from your (or perhaps a christian) perspective the wrong one, its there for a reason. One may like it or not.

And after all, someone has to be the devil's advocate or representative. We both know that, for our own reasons each.



No. Not at all. At least from my perspective, and I would know. ; )

It can be assumed that the People who put the Pachamama were "good christians" who did so with good intentions. Not like they were intending to desecrate the church or such.



Still posting “Hail Satan” in the CDT? You don’t see how that can be seen as antagonistic?


I like how this petite addition to my post in response to JPS appears to have gotten more attention than the rest. Even moreso as if was in response to Dios and Ghosts praise of christianity as reaction to the throwing of the Pachamama statuettes into the Tiber.

If they praise their revered ones so I may and shall. :p

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Postby Celritannia » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:04 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:If you want to completely ignore all of the Jewish history regarding the messiah sure go ahead. In Judaism a messiah can be literally just a savior or great person that jewish people hold in high regard, like Cyrus the Great. Messiah can also refer to the end times. When the messiah comes the world will end. As the world didn’t end when Jesus appeared it’s safe to say that he’s not the king messiah.

Also Jesus was put to death because he blasphemed by claiming he was god.

Do Jews believe in anything like a rapture?


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Postby Diarcesia » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:07 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Ghost in the Shell wrote:So satanic then.


So other cultures who held different gods are satanic simply because they never heard or knew of Christianity?
The majority of the world did not know what Christianity was until Imperial Expansionism.
Do you know how many great cultures were lost simply because of that ideology?

The great Roman Empire where the head of the Catholic Church sits was once Pagan, and helped develop modern Europe and the Mediterranean as we know it.


If we go really really technical, it is satanic in the sense of "the Codex Astartes Bible does not support this action".

However, this does not mean imo that they are mustache-twirling comic villain evil just because it ain't Christian. In most cases it ain't satanic in that sense.

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