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[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Dude if he doesn’t want to believe don’t force it on him. Just let him be

I'm not trying to convert him, or make him believe. This notion of their "Unrepentant evil" is simply an obvious facade.

Nothing about us is unrepentant or evil. There is nothing to repent to the universe for, for our existence is no one’s fault, especially not our own.

[Lower Nubia]

I'm not trying to convert him, or make him believe. This notion of their "Unrepentant evil" is simply an obvious facade.

Nothing about us is unrepentant or evil. There is nothing to repent to the universe for, for our existence is no one’s fault, especially not our own.

Unless there's law by which evil is measured and accounted for.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Nothing about us is unrepentant or evil. There is nothing to repent to the universe for, for our existence is no one’s fault, especially not our own.

Unless there's law by which evil is measured and accounted for.

Demonstrate to me such a natural law.

[Lower Nubia]

Unless there's law by which evil is measured and accounted for.

Demonstrate to me such a natural law.

Who said it was natural?

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Demonstrate to me such a natural law.

Who said it was natural?

You. By natural, I mean that it is accounted for properly within the universe, and that the universe obeys it. Demonstrate that to me. If no part of the universe obeys it, it is not important.

[Lower Nubia]

Who said it was natural?

You. By natural, I mean that it is accounted for properly within the universe, and that the universe obeys it. Demonstrate that to me. If no part of the universe obeys it, it is not important.

Man-made laws are not natural. You should change your statement unless you believe they are also not important.

[Ghost in the Shell]

The satanic idols of Pachamama have been removed from the Church by faithful lay Catholics and thrown into the Tiber! Just as St. Boniface cut down the pagans' tree and as lay Catholics barred heretics from preaching during the early Church, two brave men walked into a church and removed the idols that were disrespectfully placed at the feet of Our Lady. They proceeded to walk out of the church and throw them into the River Tiber.

All glory to God! Ave Maria et Ave Christus Rex!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoB_gjuZgf8 - Video of the idols being removed and thrown into the Tiber!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_loUTdDJT6Y - Dr. Taylor Marshall's video on this great act.

I'm critical of acts like those from two points of view.
1. as much as those statues reek of pagan idols, tossing them away is unrespectful of the persons who did put those there, regardless of their reasons, it sends the message that they aren't welcome
2. making a spectacle of the act is eerily similar to the recording of the massacre of the two mosques in australia, it's an incitation to violence

Side notes on it:
-It was curious how most of the comments from the video are from worldwide, would have guessed it would get more local attention first, but then also noticed reddit is promoting the video..
-from reading a bit about how those statues got there, it seems there was an attempt to merge the "mother earth" amazonian cult into the marian cult, which isn't something new, and would be a sensible way to bridge the amazonia traditions with christianity
-on the upside, the perpetrator does have some smooth camera movement

1. Pagan idols have no place in any church. Pagans can repent and convert, but we will not bend the knee to them.
2. Inciting lay Catholics to reject heresy? Very good.
-It was forwarded to a few well known TradCath personalities like Taylor Marshall immediately after being punished
-We will not merge our devotion to the Holy Mother with a false pagan religion. Ever.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

You. By natural, I mean that it is accounted for properly within the universe, and that the universe obeys it. Demonstrate that to me. If no part of the universe obeys it, it is not important.

Man-made laws are not natural. You should change your statement unless you believe they are also not important.

Perhaps they aren’t, but that still has no bearing on your burden of proof.

[Lower Nubia]

Man-made laws are not natural. You should change your statement unless you believe they are also not important.

Perhaps they aren’t, but that still has no bearing on your burden of proof.

If man-made laws are not natural, and religion is man-made, with the law being a carbon copy of 'divine' law, then within that law the concept of "good" and "evil" can be found, then your statement: "Nothing about us is unrepentant or evil. There is nothing to repent to the universe for, for our existence is no one’s fault, especially not our own." Becomes false, because under the law there is evil to repent of, and goodness to uphold.

[Tarsonis]

I'm critical of acts like those from two points of view.
1. as much as those statues reek of pagan idols, tossing them away is unrespectful of the persons who did put those there, regardless of their reasons, it sends the message that they aren't welcome
2. making a spectacle of the act is eerily similar to the recording of the massacre of the two mosques in australia, it's an incitation to violence

Side notes on it:
-It was curious how most of the comments from the video are from worldwide, would have guessed it would get more local attention first, but then also noticed reddit is promoting the video..
-from reading a bit about how those statues got there, it seems there was an attempt to merge the "mother earth" amazonian cult into the marian cult, which isn't something new, and would be a sensible way to bridge the amazonia traditions with christianity
-on the upside, the perpetrator does have some smooth camera movement

1. Pagan idols have no place in any church. Pagans can repent and convert, but we will not bend the knee to them.
2. Inciting lay Catholics to reject heresy? Very good.
-It was forwarded to a few well known TradCath personalities like Taylor Marshall immediately after being punished
-We will not merge our devotion to the Holy Mother with a false pagan religion. Ever.

This is one instance where I can say I only half agree with the trads. If this was incorporating a traditional figure to represent life, and sanctifying it to be used as a representation of the Blessed Theotokos, as the New Eve, such a thing would have a long and storied history in the Church, such a thing would be perfectly licit.

However, since the Vatican openly admits they weren’t, instead are used in their traditional pagan context as representing a personification of life, they have no business being displayed within the hallowed halls of a church. The only way this could be better if he had burned the idols first so they couldn’t be recovered and replaced.

[Diopolis]

Life isn't about happyness or pleasure. Happyness and pleasure is more often than not mere salt in our meal. Or a bonus or dessert to indulge in if you will so. No, its about survival and advancement in the face of hardships and an unforgiving and uncaring universe. Only through this determination we can survive and march on. Others may find solace in their idea of an different universe and indulge in it and find happyness within. Let them be so. For us though this is not our way, for we do not remain there amongst them in slavery, for we strive forward regardless of all the odds, towards to new horizons and the stars. This is our curse, our potential, our destiny, our wyrd.

For we shall inherit the world.



Hail Satan, Prince of Life!

Pachamama isn’t even satanic, considering that she’s the Inca goddess of life

The Bible says that the gods of other religions are devils.

[Tarsonis]

Pachamama isn’t even satanic, considering that she’s the Inca goddess of life

The Bible says that the gods of other religions are devils.

Eh St. Paul would disagree. He calls them man made self deceptions.

[Ghost in the Shell]

Life isn't about happyness or pleasure. Happyness and pleasure is more often than not mere salt in our meal. Or a bonus or dessert to indulge in if you will so. No, its about survival and advancement in the face of hardships and an unforgiving and uncaring universe. Only through this determination we can survive and march on. Others may find solace in their idea of an different universe and indulge in it and find happyness within. Let them be so. For us though this is not our way, for we do not remain there amongst them in slavery, for we strive forward regardless of all the odds, towards to new horizons and the stars. This is our curse, our potential, our destiny, our wyrd.

For we shall inherit the world.



Hail Satan, Prince of Life!

Pachamama isn’t even satanic, considering that she’s the Inca goddess of life

So satanic then.

[Thermodolia]

Dude if he doesn’t want to believe don’t force it on him. Just let him be

I'm not trying to convert him, or make him believe. This notion of their "Unrepentant evil" is simply an obvious facade.

Kinda hard to be evil and unrepentant when you don’t believe that there’s a overarching moral code and something to be repentant for

[Thermodolia]

Pachamama isn’t even satanic, considering that she’s the Inca goddess of life

So satanic then.

If you want to ignore history and culture sure. Otherwise she’s no different than your god or one of the many Greco-Roman gods of life and fertility.

Now I have no idea what icons of an Incan goddess is doing in Iraq of all places. Makes me wonder if they mistook the icons for a different deity or they where Christian icons that some idiot mistook for something else

[The New California Republic]

Pachamama isn’t even satanic, considering that she’s the Inca goddess of life

So satanic then.

No.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Pachamama isn’t even satanic, considering that she’s the Inca goddess of life

So satanic then.

It's hard to worship Satan when you don't believe that Satan exists.

[Tarsonis]

So satanic then.

It's hard to worship Satan when you don't believe that Satan exists.

I’m inclined to agree with that. But the case could be made that it’s satanic in a round about way. Satan as the father of lies who deceived mankind at the beginning, would ultimately be responsible for people going astray and “forgetting God”

[Lower Nubia]

I'm not trying to convert him, or make him believe. This notion of their "Unrepentant evil" is simply an obvious facade.

Kinda hard to be evil and unrepentant when you don’t believe that there’s a overarching moral code and something to be repentant for

Seeing as this is a discussion within Christian forgiveness, which presumes such a code, then this becomes irrelevant.

[Diopolis]

So satanic then.

If you want to ignore history and culture sure. Otherwise she’s no different than your god or one of the many Greco-Roman gods of life and fertility.

Now I have no idea what icons of an Incan goddess is doing in Iraq of all places. Makes me wonder if they mistook the icons for a different deity or they where Christian icons that some idiot mistook for something else

The Greco-Roman gods are demons. And these idols were enshrined in a Catholic Church in Rome because shenanigans.

[Lower Nubia]

If you want to ignore history and culture sure. Otherwise she’s no different than your god or one of the many Greco-Roman gods of life and fertility.

Now I have no idea what icons of an Incan goddess is doing in Iraq of all places. Makes me wonder if they mistook the icons for a different deity or they where Christian icons that some idiot mistook for something else

The Greco-Roman gods are demons. And these idols were enshrined in a Catholic Church in Rome because shenanigans.

The Greco-Roman gods don’t exist. Saying they’re demons gives them more power than they deserve.

[Thermodolia]

If you want to ignore history and culture sure. Otherwise she’s no different than your god or one of the many Greco-Roman gods of life and fertility.

Now I have no idea what icons of an Incan goddess is doing in Iraq of all places. Makes me wonder if they mistook the icons for a different deity or they where Christian icons that some idiot mistook for something else

The Greco-Roman gods are demons. And these idols were enshrined in a Catholic Church in Rome because shenanigans.

Um the Greco-Roman gods are definitely not demons. They aren’t anything, just a bunch of stories. The vast majority of which are pretty harmless if not odd

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

It's hard to worship Satan when you don't believe that Satan exists.

I’m inclined to agree with that. But the case could be made that it’s satanic in a round about way. Satan as the father of lies who deceived mankind at the beginning, would ultimately be responsible for people going astray and “forgetting God”

It's also hard to forget God when the concept was never introduced to you in the first place, but that comes with its own set of theological issues.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

If you want to ignore history and culture sure. Otherwise she’s no different than your god or one of the many Greco-Roman gods of life and fertility.

Now I have no idea what icons of an Incan goddess is doing in Iraq of all places. Makes me wonder if they mistook the icons for a different deity or they where Christian icons that some idiot mistook for something else

The Greco-Roman gods are demons. And these idols were enshrined in a Catholic Church in Rome because shenanigans.

Man, I tried praying to Zeus once and it didn’t work. You’re out of luck there, too.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Perhaps they aren’t, but that still has no bearing on your burden of proof.

If man-made laws are not natural, and religion is man-made, with the law being a carbon copy of 'divine' law, then within that law the concept of "good" and "evil" can be found, then your statement: "Nothing about us is unrepentant or evil. There is nothing to repent to the universe for, for our existence is no one’s fault, especially not our own." Becomes false, because under the law there is evil to repent of, and goodness to uphold.

You have not proved that man made laws are all natural by necessity. That is the mistake in your argument. Now will you answer the question?