The Christian Discussion Thread X: Originally there were 15

[Lower Nubia]

The problem is that the advancements in our world are from the advancement in human technology, not necessarily the human condition. Which is quite obvious, remove the technological support and humanity enters the middle ages again.

Define “human condition.”

The wisest of apes.

[Luminesa]

Too bad. We love you and we’re gonna pray for you anyway.

You are going to draw the attention of an omnipotent being that dislikes him to him ?

That sounds mean.

God doesn’t dislike him, or you, or anyone.

[Luminesa]

Having knowledge of moral but still being ruled by animalistic instincts

Well, you’re never going to get people to stop breathing.

[Neanderthaland]

The problem is that the advancements in our world are from the advancement in human technology, not necessarily the human condition. Which is quite obvious, remove the technological support and humanity enters the middle ages again.

Define “human condition.”

O wearisome condition of humanity!
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot and yet forbidden vanity;
Created sick, commanded to be sound.

[Kernen]

You are going to draw the attention of an omnipotent being that dislikes him to him ?

That sounds mean.

God doesn’t dislike him, or you, or anyone.

I dunno. Your holy book is full of examples of your god smiting and casting down on folks like me. It hardly makes one feel well-liked.

I mean, it doesn't matter one way or another, but its one of the rhetorical themes that doesn't work in favor of recruitment.

[Sundiata]

God doesn’t dislike him, or you, or anyone.

I dunno. Your holy book is full of examples of your god smiting and casting down on folks like me. It hardly makes one feel well-liked.

I mean, it doesn't matter one way or another, but its one of the rhetorical themes that doesn't work in favor of recruitment.

I think you're wrong.

There is no way that you're even half as depraved and foolish as the people who God punished most harshly in the Bible.

[Pacomia]

I dunno. Your holy book is full of examples of your god smiting and casting down on folks like me. It hardly makes one feel well-liked.

I mean, it doesn't matter one way or another, but its one of the rhetorical themes that doesn't work in favor of recruitment.

I think you're wrong.

There is no way that you're even half as bad as most of the people who God punished most harshly in the Bible.

Lots of them he punished solely for doing things he didn’t like, often minor. Even non-reproductive sex can be defined as sodomy.

Also, doesn’t he torture everyone who doesn’t believe in him for eternity?

[Napkizemlja]

I dunno. Your holy book is full of examples of your god smiting and casting down on folks like me. It hardly makes one feel well-liked.

I mean, it doesn't matter one way or another, but its one of the rhetorical themes that doesn't work in favor of recruitment.

I think you're wrong.

There is no way that you're even half as depraved and foolish as the people who God punished most harshly in the Bible.

Well, he is a defense lawyer.

[Sundiata]

I think you're wrong.

There is no way that you're even half as bad as most of the people who God punished most harshly in the Bible.

Lots of them he punished solely for doing things he didn’t like.

God does not like evil.

[Sundiata]

I think you're wrong.

There is no way that you're even half as bad as most of the people who God punished most harshly in the Bible.

Lots of them he punished solely for doing things he didn’t like, often minor. Even non-reproductive sex can be defined as sodomy.

Also, doesn’t he torture everyone who doesn’t believe in him for eternity?

God does not actively send people to hell. God offers us heaven. In fact, he's metaphorically throwing it in our faces. The gift of heaven is yours to receive.

Despite that, people still unfortunately choose hell.

[Kernen]

I dunno. Your holy book is full of examples of your god smiting and casting down on folks like me. It hardly makes one feel well-liked.

I mean, it doesn't matter one way or another, but its one of the rhetorical themes that doesn't work in favor of recruitment.

I think you're wrong.

There is no way that you're even half as depraved and foolish as the people who God punished most harshly in the Bible.

No, I just steal from the poor to give to the rich.

[Kernen]

Lots of them he punished solely for doing things he didn’t like, often minor. Even non-reproductive sex can be defined as sodomy.

Also, doesn’t he torture everyone who doesn’t believe in him for eternity?

God does not actively send people to hell. God offers us heaven. In fact, he's metaphorically throwing it in our faces. The gift of heaven is yours to receive.

Despite that, people still unfortunately choose hell.

Fair enough. I'm choosing it to definitively exercise free will.

[Sundiata]

God does not actively send people to hell. God offers us heaven. In fact, he's metaphorically throwing it in our faces. The gift of heaven is yours to receive.

Despite that, people still unfortunately choose hell.

Fair enough. I'm choosing it to definitively exercise free will.

That's sad!

God loves you more than anyone can and ever will.

[Luminesa]

God doesn’t dislike him, or you, or anyone.

I dunno. Your holy book is full of examples of your god smiting and casting down on folks like me. It hardly makes one feel well-liked.

I mean, it doesn't matter one way or another, but its one of the rhetorical themes that doesn't work in favor of recruitment.

I don’t really know what “folks like me” means in your case.

[Kernen]

Fair enough. I'm choosing it to definitively exercise free will.

That's sad!

God loves you more than anyone can and ever will.

That isn't relevant to my calculation. The emotions of those I don't care for rarely do.

[Northern Davincia]

I think you're wrong.

There is no way that you're even half as bad as most of the people who God punished most harshly in the Bible.

Lots of them he punished solely for doing things he didn’t like, often minor. Even non-reproductive sex can be defined as sodomy.

Also, doesn’t he torture everyone who doesn’t believe in him for eternity?

No. Hell's torments are self-inflicted, to be separated from the divine by your own accord.

[Tarsonis]

I think you're wrong.

There is no way that you're even half as depraved and foolish as the people who God punished most harshly in the Bible.

Well, he is a defense lawyer.

John Adams defended the soldiers who perpetrated the Boston Massacre. Defense lawyers perform a noble service, even if some of them are slimy. Does Christ not advocate for the Guilty to his Father?

[Nakena]

Despite that, people still unfortunately choose hell.

The question is though if they do so by conscious decision or let get themself drift there.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Fair enough. I'm choosing it to definitively exercise free will.

That's sad!

God loves you more than anyone can and ever will.

I suspect that you show more love for us here on NSG than any god could. I think that displays how foolish a concept of a god loving anyone is.

[Tarsonis]

That's sad!

God loves you more than anyone can and ever will.

I suspect that you show more love for us here on NSG than any god could. I think that displays how foolish a concept of a god loving anyone is.

God loves you too, even if you don’t.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

I suspect that you show more love for us here on NSG than any god could. I think that displays how foolish a concept of a god loving anyone is.

God loves you too, even if you don’t.

He made me trans, Tarsonis. If I were God, I’d not fuck up people’s brains like that, especially not when many of them will get killed someday for it. Any good and intelligent God would have had the sense never to have done or enabled many of the atrocities done in history. No amount of human depravity can account for the grave inherent injustice present in our universe, or the hypothetical injustice present inherently in the concept of Hell. Thus, God is either unintelligent (in which case, why call it God?) or wicked. I am strong in my virtue and convictions. I will under no circumstances grovel at the feet of any creature that causes me pain, for the pain of serving such a monster would be greater than any hellfire. If you are so constitutionally weak to justify that in your mind, you may, but if God does exist, I will burn forever, sure of my moral superiority to both your god and his terrified servants.

[Kernen]

God loves you too, even if you don’t.

He made me trans, Tarsonis. If I were God, I’d not fuck up people’s brains like that, especially not when many of them will get killed someday for it. Any good and intelligent God would have had the sense never to have done or enabled many of the atrocities done in history. No amount of human depravity can account for the grave inherent injustice present in our universe, or the hypothetical injustice present inherently in the concept of Hell. Thus, God is either unintelligent (in which case, why call it God?) or wicked. I am strong in my virtue and convictions. I will under no circumstances grovel at the feet of any creature that causes me pain, for the pain of serving such a monster would be greater than any hellfire. If you are so constitutionally weak to justify that in your mind, you may, but if God does exist, I will burn forever, sure of my moral superiority to both your god and his terrified servants.

Its like you reach into my brain and say what I feel. Is there a not creepy way I can ask you to go camping with me?

[Tarsonis]

God loves you too, even if you don’t.

He made me trans, Tarsonis. If I were God, I’d not fuck up people’s brains like that, especially not when many of them will get killed someday for it.

God doesn’t kill them, wicked men do.

Any good and intelligent God would have had the sense never to have done or enabled many of the atrocities done in history.

In order for us to choose good there has to be an alternate choice doesn’t there?

No amount of human depravity can account for the grave inherent injustice present in our universe, or the hypothetical injustice present inherently in the concept of Hell.

Hell is a choice, choose it or don’t. There is no injustice.

Thus, God is either unintelligent (in which case, why call it God?) or wicked.

Or the existence of evil is part of a larger design we’ve not gleaned.

I am strong in my virtue and convictions. I will under no circumstances grovel at the feet of any creature that causes me pain, for the pain of serving such a monster would be greater than any hellfire.

God doesn’t cause pain, nor did God ever promise our lives would be painless.

If you are so constitutionally weak to justify that in your mind,

you may, but if God does exist, I will burn forever, sure of my moral superiority to both your god and his terrified servants.

The sad part is once the veil is lifted, you’ll look back on this moment and regret it for eternity, and so will God.

[Kernen]

The sad part is once the veil is lifted, you’ll look back on this moment and regret it for eternity, and so will God.

And yet, one must imagine Sisyphus happy.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

He made me trans, Tarsonis. If I were God, I’d not fuck up people’s brains like that, especially not when many of them will get killed someday for it.

God doesn’t kill them, wicked men do.

Any good and intelligent God would have had the sense never to have done or enabled many of the atrocities done in history.

In order for us to choose good there has to be an alternate choice doesn’t there?

No amount of human depravity can account for the grave inherent injustice present in our universe, or the hypothetical injustice present inherently in the concept of Hell.

Hell is a choice, choose it or don’t. There is no injustice.

Thus, God is either unintelligent (in which case, why call it God?) or wicked.

Or the existence of evil is part of a larger design we’ve not gleaned.

I am strong in my virtue and convictions. I will under no circumstances grovel at the feet of any creature that causes me pain, for the pain of serving such a monster would be greater than any hellfire.

God doesn’t cause pain, nor did God ever promise our lives would be painless.

If you are so constitutionally weak to justify that in your mind,

you may, but if God does exist, I will burn forever, sure of my moral superiority to both your god and his terrified servants.

The sad part is once the veil is lifted, you’ll look back on this moment and regret it for eternity, and so will God.

Why does there have to be creation at all? Life is fundamentally suffering and regret, and I shame the God that made another consciousness that was cursed with the twin vices of intelligence and mortality, without the virtues that come with either. Animals that have shorter lives, or are much dumber, live without the higher-level pain that we all fundamentally experience. Similarly, any being untied to the body would be happy in its intelligence, for it would have no constraint on the time to learn. It would be content to be with itself, without change. We, however, are cursed to the dual fate, having been force-fed two fruits, not just one. Escape that terrible fact how you may try, with religion, life projects, work, or relationships. I am happy in one fundamental fact: that one day, we will have no more capacity to regret.

Neither does God have that capacity, though. For any god would be timeless, and regret implies both having made a mistake and being within time. God is neither. He is always in the present, if he does exist. But you have again high-lighted the simplicity and hilarity that is your god: for he acts like a human who is within time, and yet, if I were in his place, I would not act to create at all. Being content with myself in total perfection, I would have no incentive to. Just as Donald Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, Jehovah is the mortal's idea of an immortal.