The Christian Discussion Thread X: Originally there were 15

[Benuty]

Very debatable.

Muhammad was influenced greatly by cast-off sects of Christianity, and the Jewish tribes in Arabia. The Ebionites, for example, had contact with Muhammad as well as other potential sects branded a heretical sect.

That doesn’t have anything to do with them being fundamentally opposed . He might have been inspired by these groups but his theology does not match Christianity.

I should have clarified I was addressing the Orthodox Judaism part.

[Benuty]

You aren't very inspired by Orthodox Judaism if you proceed to slaughter them, marry one of the wives of the men you killed, and pull a Pikachu face when said wife poisons you so you can rant about women on your deathbed.

[Greater Loegria]

They're at odd theologically. None of them wish the other to exist.

Well, if your sect doesn't have a welcome in Eastern Rome then you headed to Persia, the deserts of Egypt, or to the tribal lands of Arabia. So while Muhammad had contact with some mainstream Christians, and Jews the majority of contact was with heretics or unorthodox practitioners.

What I mean is, Christianity and Islam are fundamentally at odds because neither thinks the other should exist and they ought to be the sole religion of the world. And Jews broke the Covenant with God and so they are also damned as far as the Church is concerned.

[Benuty]

Well, if your sect doesn't have a welcome in Eastern Rome then you headed to Persia, the deserts of Egypt, or to the tribal lands of Arabia. So while Muhammad had contact with some mainstream Christians, and Jews the majority of contact was with heretics or unorthodox practitioners.

What I mean is, Christianity and Islam are fundamentally at odds because neither thinks the other should exist and they ought to be the sole religion of the world. And Jews broke the Covenant with God and so they are also damned as far as the Church is concerned.

I will agree with you on the first part. A lot of Islamic theology tries to link itself to the cast-off child of Ishmael, and then claim that "No we are the real truth". At least the Mormons aren't as insufferable with the preface "The church got corrupted after the apostolic age, and we are here to restore it". Now to the second part does any major church even concerns themselves with that facet regarding Jews anymore?

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

You aren't very inspired by Orthodox Judaism if you proceed to slaughter them, marry one of the wives of the men you killed, and pull a Pikachu face when said wife poisons you so you can rant about women on your deathbed.

I was referring to Orthodox Christianity.

Regardless, the entire point here was that the Kalam is used by Christians, Muslims, and Jews alike, because on a basal level, to an outsider, the three religions are so similar they might as well be the same.

[Pacomia]

You aren't very inspired by Orthodox Judaism if you proceed to slaughter them, marry one of the wives of the men you killed, and pull a Pikachu face when said wife poisons you so you can rant about women on your deathbed.

I was referring to Orthodox Christianity.

Regardless, the entire point here was that the Kalam is used by Christians, Muslims, and Jews alike, because on a basal level, to an outsider, the three religions are so similar they might as well be the same.

Different practices, same god.

[Neanderthaland]

You aren't very inspired by Orthodox Judaism if you proceed to slaughter them, marry one of the wives of the men you killed, and pull a Pikachu face when said wife poisons you so you can rant about women on your deathbed.

I was referring to Orthodox Christianity.

Regardless, the entire point here was that the Kalam is used by Christians, Muslims, and Jews alike, because on a basal level, to an outsider, the three religions are so similar they might as well be the same.

The historicity of this is dubious, but it has been reported that in the religious debates sponsored by Kublai Khan, Christians and Muslims were forced to compete as a team against Taoists and Confucians.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

I was referring to Orthodox Christianity.

Regardless, the entire point here was that the Kalam is used by Christians, Muslims, and Jews alike, because on a basal level, to an outsider, the three religions are so similar they might as well be the same.

Different practices, same god.

Same magic as well. The eucharist and the crucifixion are both blood magic, and all three religions have some form of the golem spell present in their theology. While many protestant Christians have jettisoned the desert spirits as major players, the Judeo-Christian demons are remarkably similar to the Islamic djinn.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

I was referring to Orthodox Christianity.

Regardless, the entire point here was that the Kalam is used by Christians, Muslims, and Jews alike, because on a basal level, to an outsider, the three religions are so similar they might as well be the same.

The historicity of this is dubious, but it has been reported that in the religious debates sponsored by Kublai Khan, Christians and Muslims were forced to compete as a team against Taoists and Confucians.

I hope the Taoists won. Taoism is cooler than Christianity.

[Greater Loegria]

What I mean is, Christianity and Islam are fundamentally at odds because neither thinks the other should exist and they ought to be the sole religion of the world. And Jews broke the Covenant with God and so they are also damned as far as the Church is concerned.

I will agree with you on the first part. A lot of Islamic theology tries to link itself to the cast-off child of Ishmael, and then claim that "No we are the real truth". At least the Mormons aren't as insufferable with the preface "The church got corrupted after the apostolic age, and we are here to restore it". Now to the second part does any major church even concerns themselves with that facet regarding Jews anymore?

The issue of Jews is largely hushed up because most modern day people would rather stuff a bunch of thorns under their foreskin than be accused of anti Semitism thanks to the actions of that prize cunt Adolf Hitler.

That said the fact they broke the New Covenant, killed Christ and occupy the Holy Land is very much still a point of contention.

[Salus Maior]

You aren't very inspired by Orthodox Judaism if you proceed to slaughter them, marry one of the wives of the men you killed, and pull a Pikachu face when said wife poisons you so you can rant about women on your deathbed.

I was referring to Orthodox Christianity.

Regardless, the entire point here was that the Kalam is used by Christians, Muslims, and Jews alike, because on a basal level, to an outsider, the three religions are so similar they might as well be the same.

To the ignorant, you mean.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

I was referring to Orthodox Christianity.

Regardless, the entire point here was that the Kalam is used by Christians, Muslims, and Jews alike, because on a basal level, to an outsider, the three religions are so similar they might as well be the same.

To the ignorant, you mean.

If an alien were to come to Earth and take a look at your bronze age god, they very well might call them sects of the same religion. As I’ve said before, small differences in mental gymnastics mean little to those who recognize them for what they are.

[Pacomia]

The historicity of this is dubious, but it has been reported that in the religious debates sponsored by Kublai Khan, Christians and Muslims were forced to compete as a team against Taoists and Confucians.

I hope the Taoists won. Taoism is cooler than Christianity.

I did some research on Taoism last year, pretty cool religion. Not even sure if it could be called a religion.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

I hope the Taoists won. Taoism is cooler than Christianity.

I did some research on Taoism last year, pretty cool religion. Not even sure if it could be called a religion.

It’s a philosophy as opposed to a religion, though some of it is tied up in ancestor worship. I personally find it very helpful for meditation. A welcome change from the stifling puritanism of the religion of my youth.

[Benuty]

I hope the Taoists won. Taoism is cooler than Christianity.

I did some research on Taoism last year, pretty cool religion. Not even sure if it could be called a religion.

Philosophical Taoism maybe, but a lot of taoists integrated the Chinese pantheon, folk practices, and customs to the point it is definitely a religion. It's partly a reason the Chinese government is lenient toward them since in their view it isn't as alienating as some others.

[Neanderthaland]

I did some research on Taoism last year, pretty cool religion. Not even sure if it could be called a religion.

It’s a philosophy as opposed to a religion, though some of it is tied up in ancestor worship. I personally find it very helpful for meditation. A welcome change from the stifling puritanism of the religion of my youth.

I usually just think of it as "the one Buddhism always beats in Journey to the West."

[Salus Maior]

To the ignorant, you mean.

If an alien were to come to Earth and take a look at your bronze age god, they very well might call them sects of the same religion. As I’ve said before, small differences in mental gymnastics mean little to those who recognize them for what they are.

Then you don't give aliens much credit. And as usual you're giving yourself too much, and understand way less than you claim to.

There are fundamental differences in theological understanding that differentiate Islam and Judaism, with Christianity.

[First American Empire]

I will agree with you on the first part. A lot of Islamic theology tries to link itself to the cast-off child of Ishmael, and then claim that "No we are the real truth". At least the Mormons aren't as insufferable with the preface "The church got corrupted after the apostolic age, and we are here to restore it". Now to the second part does any major church even concerns themselves with that facet regarding Jews anymore?

The issue of Jews is largely hushed up because most modern day people would rather stuff a bunch of thorns under their foreskin than be accused of anti Semitism thanks to the actions of that prize cunt Adolf Hitler.

That said the fact they broke the New Covenant, killed Christ and occupy the Holy Land is very much still a point of contention.

The Jews didn't kill Jesus. People from my religion did. Unless you're seriously arguing that Pontius Pilate was secretly a Jew instead of a Pagan.

[Pacomia]

If an alien were to come to Earth and take a look at your bronze age god, they very well might call them sects of the same religion. As I’ve said before, small differences in mental gymnastics mean little to those who recognize them for what they are.

Then you don't give aliens much credit. And as usual you're giving yourself too much, and understand way less than you claim to.

There are fundamental differences in theological understanding that differentiate Islam and Judaism, with Christianity.

Cultural practices are different, origin story might be somewhat different, otherwise the three are pretty much the same.

[Benuty]

Then you don't give aliens much credit. And as usual you're giving yourself too much, and understand way less than you claim to.

There are fundamental differences in theological understanding that differentiate Islam and Judaism, with Christianity.

Cultural practices are different, origin story might be somewhat different, otherwise, the three are pretty much the same.

Not at all, you honestly expect me to believe telling a Jew to commence Hajj would go over well? Much less telling a Muslim who doesn't even accept trinitarian monotheism or in the sacrificial lessons of Jesus on the night of his betrayal to partake in the eucharist. It would go beyond the pale of disrespectful to outright controversial, and this is why groups such as Unitarian Universalists are stereotyped for attempting to reconcile differences.

[Greater Loegria]

The issue of Jews is largely hushed up because most modern day people would rather stuff a bunch of thorns under their foreskin than be accused of anti Semitism thanks to the actions of that prize cunt Adolf Hitler.

That said the fact they broke the New Covenant, killed Christ and occupy the Holy Land is very much still a point of contention.

The Jews didn't kill Jesus. People from my religion did. Unless you're seriously arguing that Pontius Pilate was secretly a Jew instead of a Pagan.

The Romans did the crucifixion, at the behest of the Jewish mob and the Sanhedrin.

[Benuty]

The Jews didn't kill Jesus. People from my religion did. Unless you're seriously arguing that Pontius Pilate was secretly a Jew instead of a Pagan.

The Romans did the crucifixion, at the behest of the Jewish mob and the Sanhedrin.

To be fair, the gospels pretty much lay it out that the mob was whipped into a fervor by the Sanhedrin much to Pilates annoyance.

[Pacomia]

Cultural practices are different, origin story might be somewhat different, otherwise, the three are pretty much the same.

Not at all, you honestly expect me to believe telling a Jew to commence Hajj would go over well? Much less telling a Muslim who doesn't even accept trinitarian monotheism or in the sacrificial lessons of Jesus on the night of his betrayal to partake in the eucharist. It would go beyond the pale of disrespectful to outright controversial, and this is why groups such as Unitarian Universalists are stereotyped for attempting to reconcile differences.

I literally said "cultural practices". The Hajj and other things count as cultural practices.

[Neanderthaland]

The issue of Jews is largely hushed up because most modern day people would rather stuff a bunch of thorns under their foreskin than be accused of anti Semitism thanks to the actions of that prize cunt Adolf Hitler.

That said the fact they broke the New Covenant, killed Christ and occupy the Holy Land is very much still a point of contention.

The Jews didn't kill Jesus. People from my religion did. Unless you're seriously arguing that Pontius Pilate was secretly a Jew instead of a Pagan.

As silly as it is, the charge of deicide against the Jewish people is something that has a long history in Christianity.

The Catholic Church did not repudiate it until the 1960s. Which... arguably was a little late.

[Benuty]

The Jews didn't kill Jesus. People from my religion did. Unless you're seriously arguing that Pontius Pilate was secretly a Jew instead of a Pagan.

As silly as it is, the charge of deicide against the Jewish people is something that has a long history in Christianity.

The Catholic Church did not repudiate it until the 1960s. Which... arguably was a little late.

I mean the '60s were a time of upheaval for the Catholics in general. You had the Vatican II, and other issues arising in the middle of the cold war that necessitated reform but brought with them a great cost.