The Christian Discussion Thread X: Originally there were 15

[Lower Nubia]

Thoughts on this.

Priest removes inclusive language from the mass; parishioners removed He, Lord, King and referred to him as just ‘creator’ and ‘God’, removes unapproved banners, removes unapproved non religious imagery on Church walls.

Should Priests have the unilateral power to do these things?

Ask that question to yourself again. Should priests have the unilateral power to remove non-Catholic practices and language from their Catholic Parish?

I agree. I just wanted to know the CDT’s opinion on the matter - not even for just Catholic priests but other denominational leaders.

[Salus Maior]

Today's lesson from the Bible is from the Old Testament. (Whenever I post these, they usually be from the OT)

God is extremely anti-human sacrifice. So why did God let Jephthah sacrifice his daughter? Jephthah promised God that if he wins his first military battle, he would sacrifice the first person to come out and greet him. This happened to be his daughter. So, why did God allow this sacrifice? In order to teach the children of Israel the consequences of making idiotic promises. The story of Jephthah serves as "don't be that guy"

Well, the story of Jephthah is most likely a parable to teach that making foolish promises is stupid.

That being said, iirc it never says in the story that God actually accepts his daughter as a sacrifice.

[Lower Nubia]

Today's lesson from the Bible is from the Old Testament. (Whenever I post these, they usually be from the OT)

God is extremely anti-human sacrifice. So why did God let Jephthah sacrifice his daughter? Jephthah promised God that if he wins his first military battle, he would sacrifice the first person to come out and greet him. This happened to be his daughter. So, why did God allow this sacrifice? In order to teach the children of Israel the consequences of making idiotic promises. The story of Jephthah serves as "don't be that guy"

Or she wasn’t sacrificed at all...

[Tarsonis]

Today's lesson from the Bible is from the Old Testament. (Whenever I post these, they usually be from the OT)

God is extremely anti-human sacrifice. So why did God let Jephthah sacrifice his daughter? Jephthah promised God that if he wins his first military battle, he would sacrifice the first person to come out and greet him. This happened to be his daughter. So, why did God allow this sacrifice? In order to teach the children of Israel the consequences of making idiotic promises. The story of Jephthah serves as "don't be that guy"

Well, the story of Jephthah is most likely a parable to teach that making foolish promises is stupid.

That being said, iirc it never says in the story that God actually accepts his daughter as a sacrifice.

The Talmud says she goes off into isolation, a virgin and never married I believe. Basically what ever their version of a nunnery was.

[Australian rePublic]

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[Australian rePublic]

Today's lesson from the Bible is from the Old Testament. (Whenever I post these, they usually be from the OT)

God is extremely anti-human sacrifice. So why did God let Jephthah sacrifice his daughter? Jephthah promised God that if he wins his first military battle, he would sacrifice the first person to come out and greet him. This happened to be his daughter. So, why did God allow this sacrifice? In order to teach the children of Israel the consequences of making idiotic promises. The story of Jephthah serves as "don't be that guy"

Or she wasn’t sacrificed at all...

Judges 11: 38-40

[Australian rePublic]

Why isn't God do ikng His job? Isn't it God's job to look after justice? Why isn't He doing His job?

[Philjia]

Why isn't God do ikng His job? Isn't it God's job to look after justice? Why isn't He doing His job?

He buggered up by designing a reality where morality is meaningless if we know he exists. (I'm being charitable and assuming free will is real as well.)

[The Grims]

Why isn't God do ikng His job? Isn't it God's job to look after justice? Why isn't He doing His job?

He delegates such things to us. Every few millenia he checks how we are doing and if that is not to His satisfaction He gets rid of us. Like a manager.

[Tarsonis]

Why isn't God do ikng His job? Isn't it God's job to look after justice? Why isn't He doing His job?

Why aren’t you?

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Why isn't God do ikng His job? Isn't it God's job to look after justice? Why isn't He doing His job?

Why aren’t you?

We don’t have the power to? God is supposed to be omnipotent. Us not creating justice, when we don’t know how to, is no excuse for God not to.

[Australian rePublic]

Why aren’t you?

We don’t have the power to? God is supposed to be omnipotent. Us not creating justice, when we don’t know how to, is no excuse for God not to.

Then why does He allow the little guy to get crushed by injustice? The little who's too weak to fight back, when others don't know/don't care about the little guy's injustice. I know He can't interfere with free will, but surely He can do something. Those of us actually care/are affected are too weak to do anything. This is where God could step in. So why doesn't He?

[Tarsonis]

Why aren’t you?

We don’t have the power to? God is supposed to be omnipotent. Us not creating justice, when we don’t know how to, is no excuse for God not to.

We know perfectly well how to establish justice. Problem is we fail, a lot. Don’t whinge about God when it’s our own failures.

[The Grims]

We don’t have the power to? God is supposed to be omnipotent. Us not creating justice, when we don’t know how to, is no excuse for God not to.

We know perfectly well how to establish justice.

We do ? Since when ?
Humanity cannot even agree on what justice is.

[Australian rePublic]

We don’t have the power to? God is supposed to be omnipotent. Us not creating justice, when we don’t know how to, is no excuse for God not to.

We know perfectly well how to establish justice. Problem is we fail, a lot. Don’t whinge about God when it’s our own failures.

Humanity as a whole, yes. Individuals, no. I have personally experienced two cases of injustice in the past 12 months, and there is absolurely nothing about it (despite fighting tooth and nail for justice. Tooth and nail. Tooth and nail TOOTH AND NAIL!) And my problems are miniscule compared to the injustices of others. Compared to the injustice to the those who are opposed. Compared to those who face extreme injustices. If I'm powerless, imagine how much powerless everyone else is. Imagine indeed. What about the people who were falsly imprisoned for crimes they haven't comitted (either accidently or through corruption?) What exactly do you propose they do about it? Don't you think they tried everything? It's all well and good to want other people to step in, but who's gonna know about it? Who's gonna care? And if the court was acting with good intent when the innocent person was imprisoned, then there's nothing anyone can do, because they legitimately think that this person is guilty. Isn't this where God should step in? Why isn't He?

And all of this in the modern age, if we go back even further, I've got even more questions. So why doesn't God do anything about injustice. That's what I wanna know

[Australian rePublic]

We know perfectly well how to establish justice.

We do ? Since when ?
Humanity cannot even agree on what justice is.

This is true too. For example, we can't even agree on whether it's wrong for a starving to steal a loaf of bread to feed his starving family, let alone more complex matters

[Australian rePublic]

Why isn't God do ikng His job? Isn't it God's job to look after justice? Why isn't He doing His job?

Why aren’t you?

Unlike God, I'm not omnipotent. I've fought tooth and nail for my own justice, and I've fought for the justice of others too. All of this was to no avail. I've prayed for justice (both for myself and for the others) nothing. God's different, God's omnipotent.

[Hakons]

I hope you're doing well! You seem very alarmed, so feel free to tg any of us if you would prefer to talk about these things in private.

We know perfectly well how to establish justice. Problem is we fail, a lot. Don’t whinge about God when it’s our own failures.

Humanity as a whole, yes. Individuals, no. I have personally experienced two cases of injustice in the past 12 months, and there is absolurely nothing about it (despite fighting tooth and nail for justice. Tooth and nail. Tooth and nail TOOTH AND NAIL!) And my problems are miniscule compared to the injustices of others. Compared to the injustice to the those who are opposed. Compared to those who face extreme injustices. If I'm powerless, imagine how much powerless everyone else is. Imagine indeed. What about the people who were falsly imprisoned for crimes they haven't comitted (either accidently or through corruption?) What exactly do you propose they do about it? Don't you think they tried everything? It's all well and good to want other people to step in, but who's gonna know about it? Who's gonna care? And if the court was acting with good intent when the innocent person was imprisoned, then there's nothing anyone can do, because they legitimately think that this person is guilty. Isn't this where God should step in? Why isn't He?

And all of this in the modern age, if we go back even further, I've got even more questions. So why doesn't God do anything about injustice. That's what I wanna know

As you have found, striving for justice by ourselves doesn't necessarily lead to justice. We, humans, are fallen by our sinful nature. We oppress people, we grind down the poor, and we create systems of extreme injustice. As an individual, however, I doubt your striving has led to nothing. If you or another have experienced wrong, and you've done your utmost to alleviate that ill, it is very likely that you helped improve the situation in some way. If you have been going tooth and nail, something had to improve, even if it wasn't the overarching goal.

It is incorrect to say God doesn't do anything about injustice. Scripture, tradition, the witness of the saints, and even the sacrafice of the martyrs demonstrate the opposite. God, the supreme Judge of the divine order, never ceases to deliver justice and mercy. From our position, limited in time and perspective, who are we to say that God does not prevent injustice? Who are we to know what grave injustice was denied existence by the Creator of existence? Countless are the injustices that have been abolished, the evil that was prevented to form, and the saints that have done the will of God to prevent wrongdoing, all by the providence of our all-knowing omnipotent God!

[Kowani]

From our position, limited in time and perspective, who are we to say that God does not prevent injustice? Who are we to know what grave injustice was denied existence by the Creator of existence? Countless are the injustices that have been abolished, the evil that was prevented to form, and the saints that have done the will of God to prevent wrongdoing, all by the providence of our all-knowing omnipotent God!

This is a terrible argument, regardless of the rhetoric you pile on.

[Lower Nubia]

Or she wasn’t sacrificed at all...

Judges 11: 38-40

Verse 38 betrays the narrative:

“Go,” he said and sent her away for two months. So she departed, she and her companions, and bewailed her virginity on the mountains.”

You’re about to be executed, what do you wail about? Your virginity? Sorry. That’s nonsensical.

[Benuty]

On a lighter note, I want everyone to know I am considering undergoing the process of ordination for the Episcopalian priesthood. Now obviously this will be a several years process in the making due to current circumstances, but nevertheless, I feel called to it.

[Salus Maior]

Why aren’t you?

Unlike God, I'm not omnipotent. I've fought tooth and nail for my own justice, and I've fought for the justice of others too. All of this was to no avail. I've prayed for justice (both for myself and for the others) nothing. God's different, God's omnipotent.

Don't worry, God is not mocked. All people will reap what they sow.

[Australian rePublic]

Unlike God, I'm not omnipotent. I've fought tooth and nail for my own justice, and I've fought for the justice of others too. All of this was to no avail. I've prayed for justice (both for myself and for the others) nothing. God's different, God's omnipotent.

Don't worry, God is not mocked. All people will reap what they sow.

I'm not trying to mock God. I am asking a legitimate question. If my intent was to mock God, then there are far easier methods of doing so. However, I will not be implementing any of these methods, because my intent isn't to mock God

[Australian rePublic]

On a lighter note, I want everyone to know I am considering undergoing the process of ordination for the Episcopalian priesthood. Now obviously this will be a several years process in the making due to current circumstances, but nevertheless, I feel called to it.

Are you sure? Priest is a very difficult life. Seriously consider it before making any decisions

[Salus Maior]

Don't worry, God is not mocked. All people will reap what they sow.

I'm not trying to mock God. I am asking a legitimate question. If my intent was to mock God, then there are far easier methods of doing so. However, I will not be implementing any of these methods, because my intent isn't to mock God

I'm not saying you are?

I'm saying that those who deserve justice will receive it, even if it's not on this side of things.