The Christian Discussion Thread X: Originally there were 15

[Tarsonis]

Here we actually believe in consistent truth, so not sharing in this truth is deeply harmful and dangerous. One may think it is nice to not try to correct people, but that's just lazy apathy, precisely something we cannot do when we are concerned with the eternal. This is one of the most stupid things created by the modern western world, the idea that the best thing to do is not care about what other people do and agnostically fail to commit to much of anything. The throw away culture, as Pope Francis says.

Nothing wrong with calling someone wrong, just don't do it in such a ridiculous way.

Now who’s gatekeeping?

[Nea Byzantia]

Would atheists be heathens, or is that only for people of other religions?

Heathen is the German equivalent to the Latin Pagan. Basically it means local religion.

Cool...I didn't know the etymology of that word. Now I do. I will add that to my repertoire. Thanks.

[Hakons]

Heathen is the German equivalent to the Latin Pagan. Basically it means local religion.

Cool...I didn't know the etymology of that word. Now I do. I will add that to my repertoire. Thanks.

What have we done

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Nothing wrong with calling someone wrong, just don't do it in such a ridiculous way.

Why is calling somebody heretical, ridiculous?

Because it makea you sound like a 1500s fundamentalist, and because it's not a good way of convincing people they're wrong.

[Tarsonis]

Why is calling somebody heretical, ridiculous?

Because it makea you sound like a 1500s fundamentalist, and because it's not a good way of convincing people they're wrong.

As the left has yet to figure out, Calling people anything doesn’t convince them they’re wrong. That’s why we have use arguments for that.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Okay, fair enough. Heretic is a word that's technically accurate there. Still, using the word makes you sound like a parody of a 1500s fundamentalist, and calling an atheist a heretic is like trying to drown a fish. Calling a Christian who got something wrong a heretic is probably only going to offend them and make the retrench further into their incorrect position.

Good thing I didn’t call an atheist a heretic, I called “Reformed Theology” heretical. How about you reel in your triggered feelings and stop projecting.

I know, but just as a general rule of thumb to keep in mind. I see people calling atheists heretics a fair amount and it makes no sense to me. I don't see how I'm projecting, but I have been acting overly triggered, and I went on an angry rang where I was kind of wrong. And for that, I apologize.

[Tarsonis]

Good thing I didn’t call an atheist a heretic, I called “Reformed Theology” heretical. How about you reel in your triggered feelings and stop projecting.

I know, but just as a general rule of thumb to keep in mind. I see people calling atheists heretics a fair amount and it makes no sense to me. I don't see how I'm projecting, but I have been acting overly triggered, and I went on an angry rang where I was kind of wrong. And for that, I apologize.

Calling an atheist a heretic, for being an atheist, would not be an accurate statement so yeah that would be rightfully confusing. You’re projecting because you’re using me as a stand in for everyone whose used that word in a way you didn’t like/understand.

As for your rule of thumb is say nyet. While in general discourse that maybe, this is the Christian Discussion Thread where Christians of many stripes debate Christian theology. The word heretic flies freely in here.

[Hakons]

The word heretic flies freely in here.

It's truly the wild west here, debating Christian theology and all

[Lower Nubia]

Thank you for that completely ignorant take. Heresy means “wrong teaching” or “wrong belief.” When we call something heretical we are calling it contrary to true Christian teaching. It’s not “gatekeeping” this isn’t the lgbt thread. There’s no subjective reality index here. There’s right and wrong doctrine.

Okay, fair enough. Heretic is a word that's technically accurate there. Still, using the word makes you sound like a parody of a 1500s fundamentalist, and calling an atheist a heretic is like trying to drown a fish. Calling a Christian who got something wrong a heretic is probably only going to offend them and make the retrench further into their incorrect position.

Atheists by definition cannot be heretics. A heretic is someone who was in the Church, but then fell away to false teachings. A more accurate term for Church’s outside the “true” church, whatever you believe that is, is heterodox, or if it’s is just ecclesiastical separation, rather than doctrine, a schismatic.

[Nakena]

Okay, fair enough. Heretic is a word that's technically accurate there. Still, using the word makes you sound like a parody of a 1500s fundamentalist, and calling an atheist a heretic is like trying to drown a fish. Calling a Christian who got something wrong a heretic is probably only going to offend them and make the retrench further into their incorrect position.

Atheists by definition cannot be heretics. A heretic is someone who was in the Church, but then fell away to false teachings. A more accurate term for Church’s outside the “true” church, whatever you believe that is, is heterodox, or if it’s is just ecclesiastical separation, rather than doctrine, a schismatic.

What about Satanists? After all they follow the rebellion of someone whos part of christian mythology. They just pick the "bad" side.

[Lower Nubia]

Atheists by definition cannot be heretics. A heretic is someone who was in the Church, but then fell away to false teachings. A more accurate term for Church’s outside the “true” church, whatever you believe that is, is heterodox, or if it’s is just ecclesiastical separation, rather than doctrine, a schismatic.

What about Satanists? After all they follow the rebellion of someone whos part of christian mythology. They just pick the "bad" side.

They’d be henotheists. Worshipping a specific god of a pantheon. It’s just the “god” in this pantheon is Satan.

[Lower Nubia]

They’d be henotheists. Worshipping a specific god of a pantheon. It’s just the “god” in this pantheon is Satan.

Is a Anti-God really a God though?

Feels like we need a new word for it.

The point of the word isn’t to determine power, or “godly viability”, but the apparent confusion in worshipping just the one god, rather than all the coexisting gods in that system.

We do: ‘Bastards’.

[Lower Nubia]

The point of the word isn’t to determine power, or “godly viability”, but the apparent confusion in worshipping just the one god, rather than all the coexisting gods in that system.

We do: ‘Bastards’.

Satan wants to be seen as a god so calling him one even metaphorically feels wrong and sinful.

That’s actual Satanists for you.

[The Blaatschapen]

Atheists by definition cannot be heretics. A heretic is someone who was in the Church, but then fell away to false teachings. A more accurate term for Church’s outside the “true” church, whatever you believe that is, is heterodox, or if it’s is just ecclesiastical separation, rather than doctrine, a schismatic.

What about Satanists? After all they follow the rebellion of someone whos part of christian mythology. They just pick the "bad" side.

I have to light the *Big Jim P* sign here.

He's the resident NSG satanist. He might be able to explain Satanism a bit better.

[Lower Nubia]

What about Satanists? After all they follow the rebellion of someone whos part of christian mythology. They just pick the "bad" side.

I have to light the *Big Jim P* sign here.

He's the resident NSG satanist. He might be able to explain Satanism a bit better.

Is he an actual Satanist or the fanboys the US has?

[The Blaatschapen]

I have to light the *Big Jim P* sign here.

He's the resident NSG satanist. He might be able to explain Satanism a bit better.

Is he an actual Satanist or the fanboys the US has?

No idea. He's not a teenager, and quite consistent in his ideals for the last decade or so. So I am willing to give him the benefit of such doubt

[Tarsonis]

What about Satanists? After all they follow the rebellion of someone whos part of christian mythology. They just pick the "bad" side.

I have to light the *Big Jim P* sign here.

He's the resident NSG satanist. He might be able to explain Satanism a bit better.

Big Jim P is a LaVeyan Satanist. They’re atheists for the most part, worshiping self actualization rather than a deity. The use of Milton’s character of Lucifer as a figure head is entirely metaphorical not literal. They’re not Christians so they can’t be considered “heretics”


As for Theistic Satanists, well yes they actually worship The Adversary. Can’t say I would call them Christians, or heretics, more “anti-Christians”

[Tarsonis]

Big Jim P is a LaVeyan Satanist. They’re atheists for the most part, worshiping self actualization rather than a deity. The use of Milton’s character of Lucifer as a figure head is entirely metaphorical not literal. They’re not Christians so they can’t be considered “heretics”


As for Theistic Satanists, well yes they actually worship The Adversary. Can’t say I would call them Christians, or heretics, more “anti-Christians”

Speaking of LaVeyan Satanists, could a Christian be one?

In a sense?

Toned down and altered for christianity of course.

No. While there is some shared values in terms of “do no harm” the LaVeyan ethos is antithetical to Christianity

[Tarsonis]

No. While there is some shared values in terms of “do no harm” the LaVeyan ethos is antithetical to Christianity

How so?

I admit, it's been several years since I last read parts of the LaVeyan book.

LaVeyan ethos is be your own God. Christianity serves the true God in Heaven. There’s no way to water that down.

[Lower Nubia]

Big Jim P is a LaVeyan Satanist. They’re atheists for the most part, worshiping self actualization rather than a deity. The use of Milton’s character of Lucifer as a figure head is entirely metaphorical not literal. They’re not Christians so they can’t be considered “heretics”


As for Theistic Satanists, well yes they actually worship The Adversary. Can’t say I would call them Christians, or heretics, more “anti-Christians”

Speaking of LaVeyan Satanists, could a Christian be one?

In a sense?

Toned down and altered for christianity of course.

To be Christian is to forsake the enemy. To be a LeVayan Satanist is to be atheist*.

*Yeah I know. It’s not 1 to 1.

[Diopolis]

I have to light the *Big Jim P* sign here.

He's the resident NSG satanist. He might be able to explain Satanism a bit better.

Big Jim P is a LaVeyan Satanist. They’re atheists for the most part, worshiping self actualization rather than a deity. The use of Milton’s character of Lucifer as a figure head is entirely metaphorical not literal. They’re not Christians so they can’t be considered “heretics”


As for Theistic Satanists, well yes they actually worship The Adversary. Can’t say I would call them Christians, or heretics, more “anti-Christians”

There are also so few of them as to be barely worth mentioning, from what I understand, at least from the perspective of knowing satanists.

[The Grims]

Big Jim P is a LaVeyan Satanist. They’re atheists for the most part, worshiping self actualization rather than a deity. The use of Milton’s character of Lucifer as a figure head is entirely metaphorical not literal. They’re not Christians so they can’t be considered “heretics”


As for Theistic Satanists, well yes they actually worship The Adversary. Can’t say I would call them Christians, or heretics, more “anti-Christians”

Speaking of LaVeyan Satanists, could a Christian be one?

In a sense?

Toned down and altered for christianity of course.

Yes, it is called being a Republican. Believe people should succeed on their own, a strong belief in property and stand your ground rights and so on.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I know, but just as a general rule of thumb to keep in mind. I see people calling atheists heretics a fair amount and it makes no sense to me. I don't see how I'm projecting, but I have been acting overly triggered, and I went on an angry rang where I was kind of wrong. And for that, I apologize.

Calling an atheist a heretic, for being an atheist, would not be an accurate statement so yeah that would be rightfully confusing. You’re projecting because you’re using me as a stand in for everyone whose used that word in a way you didn’t like/understand.

As for your rule of thumb is say nyet. While in general discourse that maybe, this is the Christian Discussion Thread where Christians of many stripes debate Christian theology. The word heretic flies freely in here.

Very well. It just makes you look silly in my opinion.

[The Grims]

Calling an atheist a heretic, for being an atheist, would not be an accurate statement so yeah that would be rightfully confusing. You’re projecting because you’re using me as a stand in for everyone whose used that word in a way you didn’t like/understand.

As for your rule of thumb is say nyet. While in general discourse that maybe, this is the Christian Discussion Thread where Christians of many stripes debate Christian theology. The word heretic flies freely in here.

Very well. It just makes you look silly in my opinion.

Just install an autofilter in your browser that changes heretic to hero. Then everybody is happy.

[The Blaatschapen]

Very well. It just makes you look silly in my opinion.

Just install an autofilter in your browser that changes heretic to hero. Then everybody is happy.

https://youtu.be/OBwS66EBUcY

Especially if it works the other way around too