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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
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36%
Eastern Orthodox
85
9%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
6
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
57
6%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
96
10%
Methodist
16
2%
Baptist
95
10%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
72
8%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
37
4%
Other Christian
137
15%
 
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:54 am

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I guess we're just gonna ignore Paradise Lost, then?


Paradise Lost is quite interesting but I wouldn’t call it a seminal theological work. It’s really just high quality fan fiction.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:56 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Minachia wrote:I guess we're just gonna ignore Paradise Lost, then?


Paradise Lost is quite interesting but I wouldn’t call it a seminal theological work. It’s really just high quality fan fiction.

The Bible is just Torah fanfiction, change my mind
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Postby Bienenhalde » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:56 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Minachia wrote:I guess we're just gonna ignore Paradise Lost, then?


Paradise Lost is quite interesting but I wouldn’t call it a seminal theological work. It’s really just high quality fan fiction.


The Brothers Karamazov and The Divine Comedy are also works of fiction.
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Postby Minachia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:57 am

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Tarsonis wrote:
Minachia wrote:I guess we're just gonna ignore Paradise Lost, then?


Paradise Lost is quite interesting but I wouldn’t call it a seminal theological work. It’s really just high quality fan fiction.

And the Divine Comedy isn't?
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:59 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Paradise Lost is quite interesting but I wouldn’t call it a seminal theological work. It’s really just high quality fan fiction.


The Brothers Karamazov and The Divine Comedy are also works of fiction.


True but they’re allegorical. PL really wasn’t
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Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:00 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Paradise Lost is quite interesting but I wouldn’t call it a seminal theological work. It’s really just high quality fan fiction.

The Bible is just Torah fanfiction, change my mind

No
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Lower Nubia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:32 pm

Nea Byzantia wrote:
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1054? The Copt’s have been waiting since 451.

The Copts are also heretics.


Well maybe to the Copts... you're the heretics.

See, I pulled a sneaky on ya.
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Postby Aeritai » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:17 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:The Copts are also heretics.


Well maybe to the Copts... you're the heretics.

See, I pulled a sneaky on ya.


Bob Ross is that you?! XD
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Postby Lower Nubia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:59 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
Well maybe to the Copts... you're the heretics.

See, I pulled a sneaky on ya.


Bob Ross is thst you?! XD


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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:24 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Am I the only Christian who thins Gnosticism is a interesting alternate reality?


Heresy can be interesting, and still be heresy.
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Postby Aeritai » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:27 pm

Man the word heresy seems to be the common word to use around this thread XD.
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Postby Lower Nubia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:29 pm

Aeritai wrote:Man the word heresy seems to be the common word to use around this thread XD.


Well antichrist isn’t as nicely received as heretic.
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Postby Aeritai » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:30 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:
Aeritai wrote:Man the word heresy seems to be the common word to use around this thread XD.


Well antichrist isn’t as nicely received as heretic.


Good point
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:38 pm

Aeritai wrote:Man the word heresy seems to be the common word to use around this thread XD.


I also use the word spade around the shed
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Korhal IVV » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:45 pm

Aeritai wrote:Man the word heresy seems to be the common word to use around this thread XD.

I must contact the Ordo Hereticus.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:58 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Paradise Lost is quite interesting but I wouldn’t call it a seminal theological work. It’s really just high quality fan fiction.

The Bible is just Torah fanfiction, change my mind

Given the academic scholarship behind finding out the who's who of writing the new testament, I would have to argue you are in the wrong here.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:54 pm

Benuty wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:The Bible is just Torah fanfiction, change my mind

Given the academic scholarship behind finding out the who's who of writing the new testament, I would have to argue you are in the wrong here.


Dude, don't engage.
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:33 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Am I the only Christian who thins Gnosticism is a interesting alternate reality?


Heresy can be interesting, and still be heresy.

Arguably that's what makes it so deadly. If Heresy were boring, nobody would fall for it.
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Postby ThePenguinLand » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:43 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Heresy can be interesting, and still be heresy.

Arguably that's what makes it so deadly. If Heresy were boring, nobody would fall for it.

That's essientially the point of heresy.
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https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/0 ... XRjV0wuw5g

Some good news for the day. Finally, some sanity coming back to the US. (Apologies to European members, the Link won't work for y'all.)
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:21 am

Tarsonis wrote:https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/06/supreme-court-rules-wwi-peace-cross-memorial-can-remain/?utm_campaign=alt&utm_source=militarymemes&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR119LiGdr2LOgOlZdgSHyt-Wo4WGr3x8u8ysqOnoNAqWlf0YXRjV0wuw5g

Some good news for the day. Finally, some sanity coming back to the US. (Apologies to European members, the Link won't work for y'all.)

They were gonna remove a Cross from a war memorial?
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:24 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/06/supreme-court-rules-wwi-peace-cross-memorial-can-remain/?utm_campaign=alt&utm_source=militarymemes&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR119LiGdr2LOgOlZdgSHyt-Wo4WGr3x8u8ysqOnoNAqWlf0YXRjV0wuw5g

Some good news for the day. Finally, some sanity coming back to the US. (Apologies to European members, the Link won't work for y'all.)

They were gonna remove a Cross from a war memorial?


Yeah, uppity atheists trying to use the establishment clause as cudgel to erase religion from the public sphere. Thankfully SCOTUS saw reason.
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:25 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:They were gonna remove a Cross from a war memorial?


Yeah, uppity atheists trying to use the establishment clause as cudgel to erase religion from the public sphere. Thankfully SCOTUS saw reason.

Damn Neo-Bolsheviks
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Postby Lower Nubia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:22 pm

Tarsonis wrote:https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/06/supreme-court-rules-wwi-peace-cross-memorial-can-remain/?utm_campaign=alt&utm_source=militarymemes&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR119LiGdr2LOgOlZdgSHyt-Wo4WGr3x8u8ysqOnoNAqWlf0YXRjV0wuw5g

Some good news for the day. Finally, some sanity coming back to the US. (Apologies to European members, the Link won't work for y'all.)


People actually campaign to remove that?

They’d be livid in England. Literally every village and town monument is a 10 to 30 foot cross.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:47 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/06/supreme-court-rules-wwi-peace-cross-memorial-can-remain/?utm_campaign=alt&utm_source=militarymemes&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR119LiGdr2LOgOlZdgSHyt-Wo4WGr3x8u8ysqOnoNAqWlf0YXRjV0wuw5g

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People actually campaign to remove that?

They’d be livid in England. Literally every village and town monument is a 10 to 30 foot cross.

That a lower court ordered it to be removed is concerning. The 1st Amendment is not well understood, even by judges.
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