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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
334
36%
Eastern Orthodox
85
9%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
6
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
57
6%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
96
10%
Methodist
16
2%
Baptist
95
10%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
72
8%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
37
4%
Other Christian
137
15%
 
Total votes : 935

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:53 pm

Elenir wrote:Hi all.

I wanted to asks, what's everyone's fav bible quotes, maybe life protips and the such?

I've been trying to find some to bookmark in my bible.


Genesis 19:33-36 are among my favorites. Definitely not a life protip though.
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Postby GnosticChristian » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:57 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:[
Forgive me, but I don't think that cultural reasons are a good enough reason to join a church. If don't truly believe in God, then why bother? You stated that you do believe in Him, so disregard that statement. If you want help, feel free to telegram. I'm only an amateur theologist, but I know quite a bit about Orthodoxy, and should be able to answer many questions...


You condemn almost all theists, as you should, if culture is not a good enough reason to join a religion. If it is not a good enough reason, tell us why the vast majority do it please.

This link speaks of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV2VjdpVonY

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Postby GnosticChristian » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:02 pm

Elenir wrote:Hi all.

I wanted to asks, what's everyone's fav bible quotes, maybe life protips and the such?

I've been trying to find some to bookmark in my bible.


How about the 3 I use to explain why I call my God I am.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that lazy Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes ... r_embedded

Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.

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Postby GnosticChristian » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:09 pm

Andsed wrote:Okay so I have a question. Many times when debating homosexuality a common point against it is something along the lines of saying it´s a sin. So my question is there a part of the bible that actually states homosexuality to be a sin?


Christians read where a man laying with another man as with a woman as their main quote against gays, but they ignore that they are supposed to put love and relationships above sexual matters.

To deny anyone a loving relationship, which is a mental and spiritual thing, because of sex, which is more of a physical thing, is quite immoral.

Then again, many Christians put many things above good moral thinking. Their homophobia and misogyny are good primary examples of Christian immorality.

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Postby GnosticChristian » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:18 pm

Menassa wrote:
Andsed wrote:Let me rephrase myself. Is there any part of the bible that says that homosexuality is wrong. I am asking because of one of the more common reason I have seen someone opposing homosexuality use is religion.

There are certainly parts of the Bible that state male homosexuality is frowned upon in the eyes of God.


Male gays =bad. Female gays = good.

The immoral males who wrote scriptures had good taste in sex, to this male, but had satanic morals overall.

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Postby GnosticChristian » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:22 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:I mean, it is important to remember the difference between condemning the sin and condemning the sinner, which people seem to leave out frequently.


Does God even do that. Scriptures say he loves the sinner and hates the sin, but it is the sinner that he sends to purposeless torture and death in hell.

I think God hates sinners. What is that line, Esau I hated even in the womb. A baby in the womb cannot have sinned.

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Postby GnosticChristian » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:30 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:GnosticChristian, I write this in the awkward interface of being both a thread participant and a site moderator, but with the emphasis on the former.

But...

This posting style is likely not helpful to either the thread or your cause.

Setting out a wall of successive posts from a single individual in reply to a range of individual posts before vanishing for several days before doing the same thing again a few days later isn't against the rules as such, but could be seen as a breach of forum etiquette.

It's just not the done thing in these forums.

I would gently posit that it does little to advance the arguments you want to make, and in fact might be actively undermining your point(s). At the very least, it can appear to be discourteous towards other regular thread participants.

And I assume you would not want to be intentionally discourteous.


You are correct and I would not have been tardy if the mod had not given me a suspension for not being politically correct enough when I said all Christians in a comment instead of writing some Christians.

Further, to just have one place to discuss religion and discourage a variety of such questions on the main board when this is a large group seems foolish to me which is why I put a separate post on the main board.

Stop banning me for what I see as foolishness and my wall of replies will disappear.

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Postby GnosticChristian » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:52 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:Could you please put all of your posts into one posts instead of 10?


They become illegible and I have yet to see a multi-quote function.

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Postby Angleter » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:04 pm

GnosticChristian wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:I mean, it is important to remember the difference between condemning the sin and condemning the sinner, which people seem to leave out frequently.


Does God even do that. Scriptures say he loves the sinner and hates the sin, but it is the sinner that he sends to purposeless torture and death in hell.

I think God hates sinners. What is that line, Esau I hated even in the womb. A baby in the womb cannot have sinned.

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DL


This is a bizarre argument from someone who first burst into this thread announcing that the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, the means by which Christ opened the gates of Heaven to humanity even though we do not merit it, is unjust.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:13 pm

Andsed wrote:
Menassa wrote:What is a sin?

Let me rephrase myself. Is there any part of the bible that says that homosexuality is wrong. I am asking because of one of the more common reason I have seen someone opposing homosexuality use is religion.

Homosexuality, gender non-conformity, and a few often associated sins are condemned in a list of sexual sins found in one of the Pauline epistles. Several other biblical passages condemn crossdressing, rejection of gender roles, etc, and a few biblical passages explicitly state that marriage is between a man and a woman. There's also Leviticus 18:20, but it's arguable how it applies to Christians.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:14 pm

GnosticChristian wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:I mean, it is important to remember the difference between condemning the sin and condemning the sinner, which people seem to leave out frequently.


Does God even do that. Scriptures say he loves the sinner and hates the sin, but it is the sinner that he sends to purposeless torture and death in hell.

The sinner is still the one who is choosing to do the sin.
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Postby GnosticChristian » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:04 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
GnosticChristian wrote:
Does God even do that. Scriptures say he loves the sinner and hates the sin, but it is the sinner that he sends to purposeless torture and death in hell.

The sinner is still the one who is choosing to do the sin.


We are all sinners say the scriptures so should all end in hell. That is why mine is a universalist creed that has tied righteousness to equality and posit a heaven but no hell.

http://gnosis.org/library/ephip.htm

On Righteousness

The rightousness of God is a kind of sharing along with equality. There is equality in the heaven which is stretched out in all directions and contains the entire earth in its circle. The night reveals all the stars equally. The light of the sun, which is the cause of the daytime and the father of light, God pours out from above upon the earth in equal measure to all who have power to see. For all see alike, since here is no distinction between rich and poor, people and governor, stupid and clever, female and male, free men and slaves. Even the irrational animals are not accorded any different treatment; but in just the same way God pours out from above sunlight equally upon all the animals. He establishes his justice to both good and bad by seeing that none is able to get more than his share and to deprive his neighbor, so that he has twice the light his neighbor has.

The logic trail on sinners is as follows.
Take Hitler, whom we all think would be bound for hell, but who is really guilty for making Hitler what he became?

All the hundreds and thousands who interacted with him, even when growing up, and contributed to helping make him what he became. Right?

Now apply that logic to all of us and note how we all deserve hell for contributing to all the evil in the world.

Further, evolution says that we all must compete and thus create losers to those competitions who would think that evil has befallen them.

We cannot help but sin and for God to punish some while not punishing the rest, when we all contribute to all the sin would be unjust.

The Christian religion invented hell and it is an outright lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc


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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:08 pm

Your counter-argument to me is astounding, all I can see is you getting into the nature vs nurture debate
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Postby GnosticChristian » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:12 pm

Angleter wrote:
GnosticChristian wrote:
Does God even do that. Scriptures say he loves the sinner and hates the sin, but it is the sinner that he sends to purposeless torture and death in hell.

I think God hates sinners. What is that line, Esau I hated even in the womb. A baby in the womb cannot have sinned.

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This is a bizarre argument from someone who first burst into this thread announcing that the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, the means by which Christ opened the gates of Heaven to humanity even though we do not merit it, is unjust.


To think that a God would close the gates of heaven by condemning all of creation unjustly is beyond foolish.

Do try to get out of supernaturalstupid thinking and wonder who would be more likely to demand a human sacrifice to forgive anyone. Satan or God?

A moral man will say Satan. Stop following Satan.

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Postby GnosticChristian » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:13 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:Your counter-argument to me is astounding, all I can see is you getting into the nature vs nurture debate


Do you agree with the logic or not, and are you a natural creature or something else?

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Postby GnosticChristian » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:17 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Andsed wrote:Let me rephrase myself. Is there any part of the bible that says that homosexuality is wrong. I am asking because of one of the more common reason I have seen someone opposing homosexuality use is religion.

Homosexuality, gender non-conformity, and a few often associated sins are condemned in a list of sexual sins found in one of the Pauline epistles. Several other biblical passages condemn crossdressing, rejection of gender roles, etc, and a few biblical passages explicitly state that marriage is between a man and a woman. There's also Leviticus 18:20, but it's arguable how it applies to Christians.


He shall rule over you.

Do you agree that women are to kowtow to men? Is that why Christianity treat women as second class citizens with their misogynous teachings?

What is more important. People having loving partners for life or their consenting adult sexual preferences?

Would you deny people love due to sexual preferences?

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Postby Andromeda Islands » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:33 pm

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Postby Benuty » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:34 pm

I must say it has been the greatest pleasure to get to know many of you over the years, and I will cherish the memories made on this thread (series of them), and NSG as a whole. Due to recent events I unfortunately will not be choosing to stay on NSG for the time being if at all any more. May God bless you all on your paths.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:39 pm

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Postby Stonok » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:39 pm

Benuty wrote:I must say it has been the greatest pleasure to get to know many of you over the years, and I will cherish the memories made on this thread (series of them), and NSG as a whole. Due to recent events I unfortunately will not be choosing to stay on NSG for the time being if at all any more. May God bless you all on your paths.

God guide you through whatever tribulations you face.

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Postby Minzerland II » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:42 pm

Benuty wrote:I must say it has been the greatest pleasure to get to know many of you over the years, and I will cherish the memories made on this thread (series of them), and NSG as a whole. Due to recent events I unfortunately will not be choosing to stay on NSG for the time being if at all any more. May God bless you all on your paths.

Good luck then, my well wishes.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:01 pm

GnosticChristian wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Your counter-argument to me is astounding, all I can see is you getting into the nature vs nurture debate


Do you agree with the logic or not, and are you a natural creature or something else?

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I do not agree with the logic quite obviously. I am a natural creature only in the sense that I am made of meat.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:26 pm

Elenir wrote:Hi all.

I wanted to asks, what's everyone's fav bible quotes, maybe life protips and the such?

I've been trying to find some to bookmark in my bible.

I very much love the Magnificat.

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Postby Angleter » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:34 pm

GnosticChristian wrote:
Angleter wrote:
This is a bizarre argument from someone who first burst into this thread announcing that the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, the means by which Christ opened the gates of Heaven to humanity even though we do not merit it, is unjust.


To think that a God would close the gates of heaven by condemning all of creation unjustly is beyond foolish.

Do try to get out of supernaturalstupid thinking and wonder who would be more likely to demand a human sacrifice to forgive anyone. Satan or God?

A moral man will say Satan. Stop following Satan.

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First you said that it was unjust that someone else should take the punishment for a rapist. Now you're talking about Hitler being society's fault. One moment you're for personal responsibility for sin, and the next you're not.

The fact is we are all responsible for our own decisions and our own sins, and this is why none of us merit salvation, and why any of us going to Heaven would, without the Cross, have been repugnant to the idea of justice. It is only because of Christ's atonement that, by God's grace and mercy, all of us have been offered the chance to be saved. It's up to us to accept that offer, or reject that offer and face justice as it would otherwise have been.

And frankly, I shan't take any lessons on justice from someone espousing some form of antinomian universalism. I could also do without the insults to my intelligence and the accusations of Satanism, for that matter.

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The words of someone with a supreme confidence in their own mind.

Benuty wrote:I must say it has been the greatest pleasure to get to know many of you over the years, and I will cherish the memories made on this thread (series of them), and NSG as a whole. Due to recent events I unfortunately will not be choosing to stay on NSG for the time being if at all any more. May God bless you all on your paths.


All the best!
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:41 pm

GnosticChristian wrote:"I'm honestly not sure what your point is here. "

Which is why I did not bother writing a wall of text.


So you deliberately decided not to adequately make your statement clear and you can’t be bothered to explain your point? You’re really starting to reak of bullshitting here.



You see god as some guy in the sky.

I see God the way reality is.

You don’t have any idea what I believe, what the Church teaches.

And you see what you want to see.


https://imgur.com/9eoBEyo

I note you attacked the messengers I put, the links I put, but ignored the messages except for the usual out of context cop out phrase used extensively by many Christians without showing any right, to you, context. You win that debate. :lol2:

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The “message” is only as authoritative as the source. Your sources are mostly charlatans who are widely regarded as charlatans. If these are the people you hold up as messengers, then it is clear your message is false.

That’s not even a religious stance, that’s intellectualism 101.



I’ve also noticed that you keep dodging my critiques, refusing to answer. Is your belief so inadequate that you can’t even be bothered to defend it?
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