Australian rePublic wrote:Don't forget, kids. The story of Jephthah's daughter should serve as a reminder to not make spasmodic promises to God...
Or in general.
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by Salus Maior » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:28 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:Don't forget, kids. The story of Jephthah's daughter should serve as a reminder to not make spasmodic promises to God...
by Salus Maior » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:33 pm
Kowani wrote:Luminesa wrote:You have to choose atheism in order to be an atheist...
Atheism: Lack of belief in any gods.
Babies: Don't believe in any Gods. Heck, they don't even have the concept of a God.
You have to teach Children about your religion for them to become religious. Now, my anti-theism is learned, and in that you would be correct, but one is technically born atheist.
by The Grims » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:34 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Kowani wrote:Atheism: Lack of belief in any gods.
Babies: Don't believe in any Gods. Heck, they don't even have the concept of a God.
You have to teach Children about your religion for them to become religious. Now, my anti-theism is learned, and in that you would be correct, but one is technically born atheist.
I don't think having the capacity to believe in something and choosing to believe in something are the same thing.
While babies may not know something, doesn't make them not open to that thing. They'd be more like born agnostic, I.E not knowing, rather than dogmatically denying something like Atheists.
by Luminesa » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:43 pm
The Grims wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
I don't think having the capacity to believe in something and choosing to believe in something are the same thing.
While babies may not know something, doesn't make them not open to that thing. They'd be more like born agnostic, I.E not knowing, rather than dogmatically denying something like Atheists.
Agnostic is a statement about knowledge. Atheistic a statement about belief. The pope is an agnostic theist.
Someone who lacks faith is an atheist. Even if they are oprn to conversion.
by Salus Maior » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:46 pm
The Grims wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
I don't think having the capacity to believe in something and choosing to believe in something are the same thing.
While babies may not know something, doesn't make them not open to that thing. They'd be more like born agnostic, I.E not knowing, rather than dogmatically denying something like Atheists.
Agnostic is a statement about knowledge. Atheistic a statement about belief. The pope is an agnostic theist.
Someone who lacks faith is an atheist. Even if they are oprn to conversion.
by Luminesa » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:48 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Kowani wrote:Atheism: Lack of belief in any gods.
Babies: Don't believe in any Gods. Heck, they don't even have the concept of a God.
You have to teach Children about your religion for them to become religious. Now, my anti-theism is learned, and in that you would be correct, but one is technically born atheist.
I don't think not having the capacity to believe in something and choosing not to believe in something are the same thing.
While babies may not know something, doesn't make them not open to that thing. They'd be more like born agnostic, I.E not knowing, rather than dogmatically denying something like Atheists.
A similar argument would be "Babies don't know the earth is round, therefore all people are born flat earthers!". Which I think we'd both think is a stupid remark.
by Luminesa » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:49 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Kowani wrote:Atheism: Lack of belief in any gods.
Babies: Don't believe in any Gods. Heck, they don't even have the concept of a God.
You have to teach Children about your religion for them to become religious. Now, my anti-theism is learned, and in that you would be correct, but one is technically born atheist.
I don't think not having the capacity to believe in something and choosing not to believe in something are the same thing.
While babies may not know something, doesn't make them not open to that thing. They'd be more like born agnostic, I.E not knowing, rather than dogmatically denying something like Atheists.
A similar argument would be "Babies don't know the earth is round, therefore all people are born flat earthers!". Which I think we'd both think is a stupid remark.
by Kowani » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:54 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Kowani wrote:Atheism: Lack of belief in any gods.
Babies: Don't believe in any Gods. Heck, they don't even have the concept of a God.
You have to teach Children about your religion for them to become religious. Now, my anti-theism is learned, and in that you would be correct, but one is technically born atheist.
I don't think not having the capacity to believe in something and choosing not to believe in something are the same thing.
While babies may not know something, doesn't make them not open to that thing. They'd be more like born agnostic, I.E not knowing, rather than dogmatically denying something like Atheists.
A similar argument would be "Babies don't know the earth is round, therefore all people are born flat earthers!". Which I think we'd both think is a stupid remark.
by Luminesa » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:57 pm
Kowani wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
I don't think not having the capacity to believe in something and choosing not to believe in something are the same thing.
While babies may not know something, doesn't make them not open to that thing. They'd be more like born agnostic, I.E not knowing, rather than dogmatically denying something like Atheists.
A similar argument would be "Babies don't know the earth is round, therefore all people are born flat earthers!". Which I think we'd both think is a stupid remark.
Not true, as babies don't know the world is flat, either. They don't have a concept of "World." It may not be atheism in the same way that mine is, where I became atheistic after a while (although you don't just choose to believe or not believe, but not going down that path right now), but it is still technically atheism. Is it pretty much meaningless? There's an argument to be made about indoctrination, but not doing that right now either.
by Kowani » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:01 pm
Luminesa wrote:Kowani wrote:Not true, as babies don't know the world is flat, either. They don't have a concept of "World." It may not be atheism in the same way that mine is, where I became atheistic after a while (although you don't just choose to believe or not believe, but not going down that path right now), but it is still technically atheism. Is it pretty much meaningless? There's an argument to be made about indoctrination, but not doing that right now either.
...This is a lot of contradictions that only lead to more questions...
by Salus Maior » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:01 pm
Kowani wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
I don't think not having the capacity to believe in something and choosing not to believe in something are the same thing.
While babies may not know something, doesn't make them not open to that thing. They'd be more like born agnostic, I.E not knowing, rather than dogmatically denying something like Atheists.
A similar argument would be "Babies don't know the earth is round, therefore all people are born flat earthers!". Which I think we'd both think is a stupid remark.
Not true, as babies don't know the world is flat, either. They don't have a concept of "World." It may not be atheism in the same way that mine is, where I became atheistic after a while (although you don't just choose to believe or not believe, but not going down that path right now), but it is still technically atheism. Is it pretty much meaningless? There's an argument to be made about indoctrination, but not doing that right now either.
by Kowani » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:06 pm
Eh, fair.Salus Maior wrote:Kowani wrote:Not true, as babies don't know the world is flat, either. They don't have a concept of "World." It may not be atheism in the same way that mine is, where I became atheistic after a while (although you don't just choose to believe or not believe, but not going down that path right now), but it is still technically atheism. Is it pretty much meaningless? There's an argument to be made about indoctrination, but not doing that right now either.
All learning can be construed as "indoctrination". Everything you get in life in terms of knowledge you get from another authority.
by The Grims » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:22 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Kowani wrote:Not true, as babies don't know the world is flat, either. They don't have a concept of "World." It may not be atheism in the same way that mine is, where I became atheistic after a while (although you don't just choose to believe or not believe, but not going down that path right now), but it is still technically atheism. Is it pretty much meaningless? There's an argument to be made about indoctrination, but not doing that right now either.
All learning can be construed as "indoctrination". Everything you get in life in terms of knowledge you get from another authority. So, I guess the further argument is, is what you're learning beneficial to you? And when it comes to Christianity I'd say yes, it is. And is it true? There is a strong argument for that as well.
by Tarsonis » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:24 am
The Grims wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
All learning can be construed as "indoctrination". Everything you get in life in terms of knowledge you get from another authority. So, I guess the further argument is, is what you're learning beneficial to you? And when it comes to Christianity I'd say yes, it is. And is it true? There is a strong argument for that as well.
Stronger than for e.g..hinduism, islam or wicca ?
by The Grims » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:10 am
by Tarsonis » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:50 am
The Grims wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
For Wicca definitely. For Hinduism and Islam? I’d say yes
Like ..?
Because in the "do you believe in God" thread I see a lot of people arguing why their faith is better than atheism, but nothing on why they chose their particular faith over others . Despite me and others repeatedly asking for it. It is almost like people just embraced the first religion they came across and stopped thinking... which hopefully is untrue.
by Luminesa » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:08 am
Elenir wrote:Hi all.
I wanted to asks, what's everyone's fav bible quotes, maybe life protips and the such?
I've been trying to find some to bookmark in my bible.
by Andsed » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:59 am
by Maineiacs » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:15 pm
Elenir wrote:Hi all.
I wanted to asks, what's everyone's fav bible quotes, maybe life protips and the such?
I've been trying to find some to bookmark in my bible.
Then the righteous will answer him and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’
And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’ -- Matthew 25: 37-40
As he passed by he saw a man blind from birth
His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
Jesus answered, “Neither he nor his parents sinned; it is so that the works of God might be made visible through him. -- John 9: 1-3
by Menassa » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:19 pm
Andsed wrote:Okay so I have a question. Many times when debating homosexuality a common point against it is something along the lines of saying it´s a sin. So my question is there a part of the bible that actually states homosexuality to be a sin?
by Andsed » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:27 pm
by Menassa » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:31 pm
by Andsed » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:32 pm
Menassa wrote:Andsed wrote:Let me rephrase myself. Is there any part of the bible that says that homosexuality is wrong. I am asking because of one of the more common reason I have seen someone opposing homosexuality use is religion.
There are certainly parts of the Bible that state male homosexuality is frowned upon in the eyes of God.
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