Tarsonis wrote:Luminesa wrote:> Gnostic Christian Jesus.
Uhhhhhh need I explain to you that Jesus Himself was...Jewish? What verse are you quoting in that bit? I don't think you were actually quoting any verse, in fact, because not only are you giving me absolutely no doctrine that tells me about Gnosticism, you refuse to actually explain what was incorrect about the 'Inquisitors' view of Gnosticism. Again, St. Augustine was a Gnostic at some point. He had a firsthand view of what they believed. Your view of Gnosticism is nothing more than some modern, skewed version of what the ideology actually entailed. And because you're not refuting me with any sort of coherent argument, I don't see what somehow makes Gnosticism so special.
Also, "Inquisitors"? Fam, the Vampire: The Masquerade RP is in Portal to the Multiverse. I'm in, we can use more players if you wanna make one. I actually play an Inquisitor, now that I mention it!
'Lust' and 'pride' are referred to as deadly sins, which are contrary to charity and humbleness, which John speaks of in the same letter. Lust results from a warped view of love, pride results from a warped view of the self. Remember that Jesus in the Bible calls us to love our neighbors as we love ourselves.
The funny part is we actually have Gnostic writings and Christian Polemics from the first century. We know what they believed.... and DL has not accurately represented it at all. He's correct that Gnostics didn't uniformly reject the material universe. By and large they did. (Though Marcion wasn't actually a gnostic.) But Christian Gnostics like Valentinus were less concerned withe the Demiurge / Monad dualism.
Eh. Wiki listed him as a Gnostic, I went with that. Curse you, Wiki.