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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
334
36%
Eastern Orthodox
85
9%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
6
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
57
6%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
96
10%
Methodist
16
2%
Baptist
95
10%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
72
8%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
37
4%
Other Christian
137
15%
 
Total votes : 935
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:38 pm

The Hebrew Roots wrote:My denomination is I am a member of the Hebrew Roots Movement (as my subtle name implies lol). Basically we believe that Jesus did not get rid of the old testament law and that the new covenant does not nullify the law of the old, just that some changes were made such as the changing of the priesthood and the abolishing of the punishments of the law. Not to be confused with Hebrew Israelites, Jews, or Seventh Day Adventist. More info here. https://hubpages.com/religion-philosoph ... on-and-FAQ


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Postby The Hebrew Roots » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:27 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
The Hebrew Roots wrote:My denomination is I am a member of the Hebrew Roots Movement (as my subtle name implies lol). Basically we believe that Jesus did not get rid of the old testament law and that the new covenant does not nullify the law of the old, just that some changes were made such as the changing of the priesthood and the abolishing of the punishments of the law. Not to be confused with Hebrew Israelites, Jews, or Seventh Day Adventist. More info here. https://hubpages.com/religion-philosoph ... on-and-FAQ


We’re familiar, we’ve had some.....interesting.....contributors from your sect before.


I'm sure you have. Keep in mind we are diverse in our beliefs like every other denomination has its own little sects, so I apologize for those of us who say some crazy or mean stuff.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:14 am

Luminesa wrote:You can buy Tiny Saints from a local Catholic bookstore. They’re kinda like chibis, and you can use them as keychains, wallet chains, etc. They are quite adorable.

(Arch! As a mod can I link Dav to the Tiny Saints website or is that against site rules? Regarding advertising?)


I think you would be on safer ground just sending a TG with the details.

Apologies for the delay in replying.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:37 am

So Arch, Is this a full blown schism between Moscow and Constantinople?
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:50 pm

Tarsonis wrote:So Arch, Is this a full blown schism between Moscow and Constantinople?


So my Orthodox sources tell me no. At least not as it is now.

It'd still be viable for an Orthodox layman to take communion at both churches.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:02 pm

Tarsonis wrote:So Arch, Is this a full blown schism between Moscow and Constantinople?

No, while Moscow has restricted communion for their members, this is really unenforceable because there's no clear line in any place that has churches of both patriarchates separating laymen of the two.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:15 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Kowani wrote:Oh, I’m sorry. “Divinely inspired” Translation: God’s Word.


Inspiration is different than a direct dictation however. Theological authority ultimately rests in the Church.


This isn’t the thread for this conversation

Which Church? I mean, ignoring all the nondenominational people for a moment, you have two major, semi-unified ones right now, plus all the Protestants.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:17 pm

Kowani wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Inspiration is different than a direct dictation however. Theological authority ultimately rests in the Church.


This isn’t the thread for this conversation

Which Church? I mean, ignoring all the nondenominational people for a moment, you have two major, semi-unified ones right now, plus all the Protestants.


The Church with valid apostolic succession.
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Postby Auze » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:21 pm

Tarsonis wrote:I know we friendly joke about the problems in each others churches, but I think we should all take time to pray for the Orthodox Church. Troubling times are looming

https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-orthodo ... 45003.html

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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:57 pm

Tarsonis wrote:I know we friendly joke about the problems in each others churches, but I think we should all take time to pray for the Orthodox Church. Troubling times are looming

https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-orthodo ... 45003.html

I expected as much. Hopefully they don't go the Protestant route of endless churches.
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:44 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:I know we friendly joke about the problems in each others churches, but I think we should all take time to pray for the Orthodox Church. Troubling times are looming

https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-orthodo ... 45003.html

I expected as much. Hopefully they don't go the Protestant route of endless churches.


This isn't exactly a new occurrence in the East. Orthodox churches have schismed and un-schismed for a very long time for one reason or another.
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Postby Lower Nubia » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:18 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I expected as much. Hopefully they don't go the Protestant route of endless churches.


This isn't exactly a new occurrence in the East. Orthodox churches have schismed and un-schismed for a very long time for one reason or another.


Exactly, this also happened in 1996 and lasted three months. More ancient examples include the Meletian Schism, Acacian Schism and the Schism of the Three Chapters, etc... which were much worse schisms.

Schisms have existed in these Ancient Churchs for millennia, a schism like this one is not particularly new, nor escpecially threatening. It’s similar to a great storm that batters a coast every 30-50 years.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:52 am

Lower Nubia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
This isn't exactly a new occurrence in the East. Orthodox churches have schismed and un-schismed for a very long time for one reason or another.


Exactly, this also happened in 1996 and lasted three months. More ancient examples include the Meletian Schism, Acacian Schism and the Schism of the Three Chapters, etc... which were much worse schisms.

Schisms have existed in these Ancient Churchs for millennia, a schism like this one is not particularly new, nor escpecially threatening. It’s similar to a great storm that batters a coast every 30-50 years.


True, but part of me wonders if there is a major schism and Moscow and Greece split, the politics of the Church could shift, and potentially in the next 50 years, Greece could reconcile with Rome.
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Postby Lower Nubia » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:14 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
Exactly, this also happened in 1996 and lasted three months. More ancient examples include the Meletian Schism, Acacian Schism and the Schism of the Three Chapters, etc... which were much worse schisms.

Schisms have existed in these Ancient Churchs for millennia, a schism like this one is not particularly new, nor escpecially threatening. It’s similar to a great storm that batters a coast every 30-50 years.


True, but part of me wonders if there is a major schism and Moscow and Greece split, the politics of the Church could shift, and potentially in the next 50 years, Greece could reconcile with Rome.


If this was truly some God tier plan for reunification of the Churches, then I’d be amazed. Though I believe the Orthodox would fire* Bartholomew if he ever tried to compromise on Orthodox teachings for that reunification.

*Literally on fire, or no longer on the job could both apply.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:23 am

Lower Nubia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
True, but part of me wonders if there is a major schism and Moscow and Greece split, the politics of the Church could shift, and potentially in the next 50 years, Greece could reconcile with Rome.


If this was truly some God tier plan for reunification of the Churches, then I’d be amazed. Though I believe the Orthodox would fire* Bartholomew if he ever tried to compromise on Orthodox teachings for that reunification.

*Literally on fire, or no longer on the job could both apply.


Hey, a catholic boy can dream
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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:51 pm

Tarsonis wrote:So Arch, Is this a full blown schism between Moscow and Constantinople?


No, for all the reasons previously stated in the thread.

Moscow and Constantinople may be blowing raspberries at each other - as they did over Estonia 20 years ago - but both patriarchates remain in full communion with the other 13 autocephalous churches.

Ergo no 'full blown schism'.

Also, your local grammar Inquisition needs to point out that should be 'full-blown schism'; I bet you didn't expect the grammar Inquisition.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:53 pm

Tarsonis wrote:True, but part of me wonders if there is a major schism and Moscow and Greece split, the politics of the Church could shift, and potentially in the next 50 years, Greece could reconcile with Rome.


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Postby Luminesa » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:16 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:True, but part of me wonders if there is a major schism and Moscow and Greece split, the politics of the Church could shift, and potentially in the next 50 years, Greece could reconcile with Rome.


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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:38 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:True, but part of me wonders if there is a major schism and Moscow and Greece split, the politics of the Church could shift, and potentially in the next 50 years, Greece could reconcile with Rome.


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Sorry; where were we?


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Postby Page » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:51 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
Exactly, this also happened in 1996 and lasted three months. More ancient examples include the Meletian Schism, Acacian Schism and the Schism of the Three Chapters, etc... which were much worse schisms.

Schisms have existed in these Ancient Churchs for millennia, a schism like this one is not particularly new, nor escpecially threatening. It’s similar to a great storm that batters a coast every 30-50 years.


True, but part of me wonders if there is a major schism and Moscow and Greece split, the politics of the Church could shift, and potentially in the next 50 years, Greece could reconcile with Rome.


There is no scenario in which any Christian denomination reconciles with the Catholic Church except if that denomination unconditionally, 100% accepts all Catholic dogma and rules. The Vatican aren't into compromise.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:01 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:So Arch, Is this a full blown schism between Moscow and Constantinople?


No, for all the reasons previously stated in the thread.

Moscow and Constantinople may be blowing raspberries at each other - as they did over Estonia 20 years ago - but both patriarchates remain in full communion with the other 13 autocephalous churches.

Ergo no 'full blown schism'.

Also, your local grammar Inquisition needs to point out that should be 'full-blown schism'; I bet you didn't expect the grammar Inquisition.


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Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
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Postby Negarakita » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:08 pm

Ok so having been kinda scared away from converting to Islam by Amin's latest "Slavery is good because Islam" tirade, I guess I should come here. Is there any branch of Christianity which offers that same relationship with God? Things like dhikr, the hajj, those sorts of things? I feel as though Eastern Orthodoxy is closest to what I want, but Catholicism looks good too. Especially as I do latin.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:46 pm

Negarakita wrote:Ok so having been kinda scared away from converting to Islam by Amin's latest "Slavery is good because Islam" tirade, I guess I should come here. Is there any branch of Christianity which offers that same relationship with God? Things like dhikr, the hajj, those sorts of things? I feel as though Eastern Orthodoxy is closest to what I want, but Catholicism looks good too. Especially as I do latin.

Have you looked into Eastern-rite Catholicism? If you like eastern mysticism but find yourself drawn to Catholicism, that might be up your alley.
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