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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:48 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Benuty wrote:Nothing says fun like the ruling party going on a purging spree, and to top it off turning much of North America into revanchists wet dream.

Give Texas back to mexico.


We'll take our independence from both, thank you very much.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:49 pm

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Imagine being this delusional...

Or, alternatively, imagine it being a joke.


I prefer to base my conclusions on evidence, not wishful thinking.
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:49 pm

Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:
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I could see us resembling France after their revolution.


Hey, at least it’s a Republic, right?


For a while at least. I doubt we'd ever become an empire though.
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Postby Benuty » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:49 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Benuty wrote:Nothing says fun like the ruling party going on a purging spree, and to top it off turning much of North America into revanchists wet dream.

Give Texas back to mexico.

It could be a lot worse than that.

Imagine the new U.S taking the slogan "54-40 or fight" a bit more literally or deciding it wants some new real estate in Mexico...any flimsy excuse to get the New U.S in making ready for new borders to fit its image.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:50 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:
Hey, at least it’s a Republic, right?


For a while at least. I doubtmwe'd ever become an empire though.


Free American Empire when?
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Postby Benuty » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:50 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:
Hey, at least it’s a Republic, right?


For a while at least. I doubt we'd ever become an empire though.

Depending on who is running it, and if they are competent enough who knows...history is quite funny like that.
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Postby Olerand » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:50 pm

Benuty wrote:
Olerand wrote:Or, alternatively, imagine it being a joke.

Though knowing some people on this site view that era...with rather romantic goggles on it is honestly hard to tell.

It wasn’t the worst. Not an era we should aspire to go back to, but not the worst.
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:50 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:Give Texas back to mexico.


We'll take our independence from both, thank you very much.



I don't care either way, just get out of the union and take Mississippi with you. :p
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Postby Telconi » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:52 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
We'll take our independence from both, thank you very much.



I don't care either way, just get out of the union and take Mississippi with you. :p


Only if California leaves as well!!!
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:53 pm

Telconi wrote:
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I don't care either way, just get out of the union and take Mississippi with you. :p


Only if California leaves as well!!!



We want out. California would be better off alone.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:54 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Only if California leaves as well!!!



We want out. California would be better off alone.


Good, scram!
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Postby Geneviev » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:54 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Only if California leaves as well!!!



We want out. California would be better off alone.

America would have some issues without California.
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Postby Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:54 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Only if California leaves as well!!!



We want out. California would be better off alone.


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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:54 pm

Benuty wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
For a while at least. I doubt we'd ever become an empire though.

Depending on who is running it, and if they are competent enough who knows...history is quite funny like that.


Again, true, but even less likely than another civil war.
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Postby Benuty » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:54 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Only if California leaves as well!!!



We want out. California would be better off alone.

You say that, but part of the problem of independence is having foreign states actually deal with you seriously.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:54 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

We want out. California would be better off alone.

America would have some issues without California.


Success isn't an issue, friend.
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:55 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

We want out. California would be better off alone.

America would have some issues without California.



Good. :p
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:56 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
We'll take our independence from both, thank you very much.



I don't care either way, just get out of the union and take Mississippi with you. :p


Y'all can keep Mississippi. We'll take New Mexico, Oklahoma and Arizona though.
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Postby Benuty » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:56 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Benuty wrote:Depending on who is running it, and if they are competent enough who knows...history is quite funny like that.


Again, true, but even less likely than another civil war.

I don't see an actual emperor so much as a paternal autocrat ruling over a reactionary regime. I will say this since if the U.S is going to be this screwed up in a hypothetical scenario I do wonder if the world won't follow suit as well?
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:56 pm

Telconi wrote:
Geneviev wrote:America would have some issues without California.


Success isn't an issue, friend.

Losing silicon valley would cause success?

So symbolic that post number 2000 was contesting Tel...
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:56 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

We want out. California would be better off alone.

America would have some issues without California.


Not many and none we couldn't fix.
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:57 pm

Telconi wrote:
Geneviev wrote:America would have some issues without California.


Success isn't an issue, friend.



California is the richest state in the union, and feeds half the country, Cali pays more to the feds than it gets back.

The US needs Cali more than Cali needs it.
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Postby Benuty » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:57 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Success isn't an issue, friend.

Losing silicon valley would cause success?

Losing silicon valley would be an actual problem if foreign states bother to actually establish relations with the new entity occupying the former U.S state of California.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:57 pm

What if we said "Get rid of Texas."
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Postby Geneviev » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:58 pm

Telconi wrote:
Geneviev wrote:America would have some issues without California.


Success isn't an issue, friend.

First thing I think of is the military.
Also Silicon Valley.
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