Possibility for Second American Civil War

[Internationalist Bastard]

Poor bastards

Depending on where the front lines are, and who is doing the fighting....maybe.

Last time I saw someone refuse protection because he thought he could defend his homestead we found his crops stolen and his wives raped and killed. Forgive my scepticism that Americans will somehow do better

[Internationalist Bastard]

Just saying don’t be surprised when they burn you house and kill everyone

Yeah, that is an inevitability, and on to your point about the cities...I kind of have to wonder where the hell will everyone go? I mean Canada and Mexico are obvious choices as are the Caribbean islands, but let's be real the mood is going to change pretty damn fast internationally.

America has a lot of empty land
National parks will probably be popular refugee spots

[Benuty]

Quite a few will be, but surviving, on the other hand, will be another matter entirely.

I highly doubt their chances would be improved by not shooting.

I mean it depends on who exactly they are shooting at since...most likely this brand of civil war will be incomprehensible madness for the first few years. Every group with a grudge is going to duke it out before inevitably the main factions are whittled down to a simple few groups versus the government should it still exist intact somewhere vs states choosing to secede out of fear of the instability.

[Olerand]

Just saying don’t be surprised when they burn you house and kill everyone

Yeah, that is an inevitability, and on to your point about the cities...I kind of have to wonder where the hell will everyone go? I mean Canada and Mexico are obvious choices as are the Caribbean islands, but let's be real the mood is going to change pretty damn fast internationally.

Well... Canada and Mexico will have to take one for the team.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Quite a few will be, but surviving, on the other hand, will be another matter entirely.

I highly doubt their chances would be improved by not shooting.

Better if you hide or run tbh

[Benuty]

Depending on where the front lines are, and who is doing the fighting....maybe.

Last time I saw someone refuse protection because he thought he could defend his homestead we found his crops stolen and his wives raped and killed. Forgive my skepticism that Americans will somehow do better

Just where are you from exactly? Don't take my curiousity as morbid, but I would actually like to know since I have never asked you this before.

[Benuty]

Yeah, that is an inevitability, and on to your point about the cities...I kind of have to wonder where the hell will everyone go? I mean Canada and Mexico are obvious choices as are the Caribbean islands, but let's be real the mood is going to change pretty damn fast internationally.

Well... Canada and Mexico will have to take one for the team.

Depending on the current governments...I honestly don't see that happening without something to grease their palms for in return.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Last time I saw someone refuse protection because he thought he could defend his homestead we found his crops stolen and his wives raped and killed. Forgive my skepticism that Americans will somehow do better

Just where are you from exactly? Don't take my curiousity as morbid, but I would actually like to know since I have never asked you this before.

Oh that was back in Mali. Guy didn’t trust us or the police, he had a rifle and that was all he needed. Never found his body

[Olerand]

Well... Canada and Mexico will have to take one for the team.

Depending on the current governments...I honestly don't see that happening without something to grease their palms for in return.

Well, hordes of Americans, angry, entitled Americans is the grease. So, bonne chance. We'll give them some funds, but they must keep the refugees.

[Benuty]

Yeah, that is an inevitability, and on to your point about the cities...I kind of have to wonder where the hell will everyone go? I mean Canada and Mexico are obvious choices as are the Caribbean islands, but let's be real the mood is going to change pretty damn fast internationally.

America has a lot of empty land
National parks will probably be popular refugee spots

It does have a lot of empty lands, but the big problem is maintaining a stable supply route to the middle of nowhere to keep refugee camps there supplied. Not to mention the risk for disease outbreaks is going to be tremendous, and people are going to probably get ugly if things are settled soon enough.

[Internationalist Bastard]

America has a lot of empty land
National parks will probably be popular refugee spots

It does have a lot of empty lands, but the big problem is maintaining a stable supply route to the middle of nowhere to keep refugee camps there supplied. Not to mention the risk for disease outbreaks is going to be tremendous, and people are going to probably get ugly if things are settled soon enough.

Thing is, refugees never think about that
They pack their shit and leave, and go somewhere else
Then they end up following other people up they don’t have their own plan

[Benuty]

Depending on the current governments...I honestly don't see that happening without something to grease their palms for in return.

Well, hordes of Americans, angry, entitled Americans is the grease. So, bonne chance. We'll give them some funds, but they must keep the refugees.

By greasing their palms I meant economic matters since Canada just issued tariffs against us in reaction to our own. Though I am sure the border states if they have any sense, will bug out of the union any chance they get once things don't get settled soon. No one in the right mind is going to stay loyal to a government fighting on so many fronts that it will be madness. So expect new countries to be popping up, and openly friendly to anyone willing to recognize them no matter the cost in the short term.

[Olerand]

Well, hordes of Americans, angry, entitled Americans is the grease. So, bonne chance. We'll give them some funds, but they must keep the refugees.

By greasing their palms I meant economic matters since Canada just issued tariffs against us in reaction to our own. Though I am sure the border states if they have any sense, will bug out of the union any chance they get once things don't get settled soon. No one in the right mind is going to stay loyal to a government fighting on so many fronts that it will be madness. So expect new countries to be popping up, and openly friendly to anyone willing to recognize them no matter the cost in the short term.

Oh Canada will take you in, up to capacity. How have the asylum seekers that they have taken in from developing countries greased their palms?

They won't penalize Americans for Trump's tariffs. Canadians aren't that petty. The Québecois, on the other hand, if they've learned anything from their motherland...

[Southeastern Xiatao]

Not sure what the quote is trying to imply...since Jim is most likely going to be shooting something even if not for very long depending on whatever militia is in control of his area.

Just saying don’t be surprised when they burn you house and kill everyone

Including the children....

[Benuty]

By greasing their palms I meant economic matters since Canada just issued tariffs against us in reaction to our own. Though I am sure the border states if they have any sense, will bug out of the union any chance they get once things don't get settled soon. No one in the right mind is going to stay loyal to a government fighting on so many fronts that it will be madness. So expect new countries to be popping up, and openly friendly to anyone willing to recognize them no matter the cost in the short term.

Oh Canada will take you in, up to capacity. How have the asylum seekers that they have taken in from developing countries greased their palms?

They won't penalize Americans for Trump's tariffs. Canadians aren't that petty. The Québecois, on the other hand, if they've learned anything from their motherland...

Speaking in terms of national self-interest it would be for the best interest of Canada to establish several new nation-states and exploit the hell out of them with a velvet glove hiding the iron fist.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

Just saying don’t be surprised when they burn you house and kill everyone

Yeah, that is an inevitability, and on to your point about the cities...I kind of have to wonder where the hell will everyone go? I mean Canada and Mexico are obvious choices as are the Caribbean islands, but let's be real the mood is going to change pretty damn fast internationally.

Then another thing to worry about is how many crazy people will be gunning down refugees trying to escape from America? I'm not talking about other countries doing this, I am talking about crazy militias gunning down refugees trying to escape into Canada and Mexico.

[Olerand]

Oh Canada will take you in, up to capacity. How have the asylum seekers that they have taken in from developing countries greased their palms?

They won't penalize Americans for Trump's tariffs. Canadians aren't that petty. The Québecois, on the other hand, if they've learned anything from their motherland...

Speaking in terms of national self-interest it would be for the best interest of Canada to establish several new nation-states and exploit the hell out of them with a velvet glove hiding the iron fist.

In America? Well... Best of luck in that. I can see the Canadian military establishing a sort of Turkish-style buffer zone in Maine/New England/Pacific northwest etc.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

America has a lot of empty land
National parks will probably be popular refugee spots

It does have a lot of empty lands, but the big problem is maintaining a stable supply route to the middle of nowhere to keep refugee camps there supplied. Not to mention the risk for disease outbreaks is going to be tremendous, and people are going to probably get ugly if things are settled soon enough.

Not to mention all the people who have disabilities or mental disorders. Like people with cancer, diabetes, ADHD, Autism, or any mental or physical health problem. They are going to extremely screwed since they won't be getting their medication and treatment and worse they could probably die especially those who have diabetes for instance.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

Yeah, that is an inevitability, and on to your point about the cities...I kind of have to wonder where the hell will everyone go? I mean Canada and Mexico are obvious choices as are the Caribbean islands, but let's be real the mood is going to change pretty damn fast internationally.

America has a lot of empty land
National parks will probably be popular refugee spots

Until militias raid them and cleanse them...

[Telconi]

Yeah, that is an inevitability, and on to your point about the cities...I kind of have to wonder where the hell will everyone go? I mean Canada and Mexico are obvious choices as are the Caribbean islands, but let's be real the mood is going to change pretty damn fast internationally.

America has a lot of empty land
National parks will probably be popular refugee spots

Yeah, there isn't the infrastructure to support large amounts of people like that in a national park, refugees would likely end up in large cities, like they do in most conflicts.

[Benuty]

Speaking in terms of national self-interest it would be for the best interest of Canada to establish several new nation-states and exploit the hell out of them with a velvet glove hiding the iron fist.

In America? Well... Best of luck in that. I can see the Canadian military establishing a sort of Turkish-style buffer zone in Maine/New England/Pacific northwest etc.

If the central government in D.C or whatever interim capital we have if it has to be relocated cannot hope to win the war within a certain time frame certain states will most likely secede. Not just any secession mind you, but the kind where for the time being they can do so without fearing any legitimate threat of punishment. The interim post-war government will likely have neither the willpower or the craziness to lash out against foreign powers for having carved out portions of the U.S. So that said new splinter nations backed by a foreign power of noticeable influence likely have a chance of surviving against a weakened U.S busy on some massive reconstruction efforts in the "heartland".

[Big Jim P]

Not sure what the quote is trying to imply...since Jim is most likely going to be shooting something even if not for very long depending on whatever militia is in control of his area.

It also depends on whether I am part of the militia too.

[Olerand]

In America? Well... Best of luck in that. I can see the Canadian military establishing a sort of Turkish-style buffer zone in Maine/New England/Pacific northwest etc.

If the central government in D.C or whatever interim capital we have if it has to be relocated cannot hope to win the war within a certain time frame certain states will most likely secede. Not just any secession mind you, but the kind where for the time being they can do so without fearing any legitimate threat of punishment. The interim post-war government will likely have neither the willpower or the craziness to lash out against foreign powers for having carved out portions of the U.S. So that said new splinter nations backed by a foreign power of noticeable influence likely have a chance of surviving against a weakened U.S busy on some massive reconstruction efforts in the "heartland".

This fragmentation, again, I think would be bad for the world, but good for America.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Speaking in terms of national self-interest it would be for the best interest of Canada to establish several new nation-states and exploit the hell out of them with a velvet glove hiding the iron fist.

In America? Well... Best of luck in that. I can see the Canadian military establishing a sort of Turkish-style buffer zone in Maine/New England/Pacific northwest etc.

Not a chance in the northwest, everywhere outside of the big cities is filled with very armed and very right wing people. Canada doesn't have the power to hold it.

[Telconi]

If the central government in D.C or whatever interim capital we have if it has to be relocated cannot hope to win the war within a certain time frame certain states will most likely secede. Not just any secession mind you, but the kind where for the time being they can do so without fearing any legitimate threat of punishment. The interim post-war government will likely have neither the willpower or the craziness to lash out against foreign powers for having carved out portions of the U.S. So that said new splinter nations backed by a foreign power of noticeable influence likely have a chance of surviving against a weakened U.S busy on some massive reconstruction efforts in the "heartland".

This fragmentation, again, I think would be bad for the world, but good for America.

I highly doubt we'll become any more united, I think serious issues are just a matter of time.