Possibility for Second American Civil War

[United Muscovite Nations]

What do you mean "what interest have they together as one nation"? The preservation of their culture and a stronger state. You may as well ask what interest the Americans have in being one nation.

What culture? Lebanon's? Iraq's? And if they want a stronger State... Why have they consistently foiled every Arab attempt at creating that?

And uhm... Well... This is a thread just for that. And my answers on this topic clearly show what my thoughts are on the matter.

Arab culture. The Arab nations have more in-common than differences. The efforts of united states have been torpedoed by different ideological ideas at how to achieve that.

[Olerand]

What culture? Lebanon's? Iraq's? And if they want a stronger State... Why have they consistently foiled every Arab attempt at creating that?

And uhm... Well... This is a thread just for that. And my answers on this topic clearly show what my thoughts are on the matter.

Arab culture. The Arab nations have more in-common than differences. The efforts of united states have been torpedoed by different ideological ideas at how to achieve that.

Arab culture? What is that? Whose Arabs? What, exactly, should hold a nation of Maronites, Sunni Jordanian tribes, and Iraqi Shia together?

That there are similarities between them is obvious. That they are the same is simply not true.

[Telconi]

Considering most liberals are anti-gun how would they expect to fight and win?

Most liberals? You assume much.

Well party policy is very rarely written by minorities.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

Most liberals? You assume much.

Well party policy is very rarely written by minorities.

Thing is though what a lot of people don't seem to realize that in war especially a civil war a lot of people are going to be defending themselves with firearms as a means of protection for themselves and their families. This includes liberals as well. Even people who are anti-gun or are for strict gun-control if are put in a situation being a Second American Civil War, they will obviously use guns to defend themselves and stay alive.

So the idea or should I say "claim" that liberals would do nothing and not take up arms for defense is outright utter nonsense since in war people will do anything to stay alive and survive and if it includes using guns then they will do so. So as a result you would basically be seeing a lot of liberals using guns in a civil war scenario.

[Ifreann]

Most liberals? You assume much.

Well party policy is very rarely written by minorities.

Party policy is only ever written by minorities.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

Another thing worth mentioning is how many people on both sides are not going to even want to fight in a hypothetical Second American Civil War. Surely there will be plenty of people on both sides of the political spectrum who wouldn't want to fight or even kill another person either. During the First American Civil War there were plenty of pacifists in both the South and the North who refused to fight or kill another man in a battlefield.

That being said I wonder how many large amount of people on both sides would not even want to fight.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

They might think the GOP is too liberal, but in the event of a right vs. left civil war à la the Spanish Civil War, the right in America would most likely stick together.

The odds are it's more likely a right vs. far right when someone at the ATF does a raid on a militia.

This is pretty much correct another thing is that in a hypothetical Second American Civil War scenario there will be plenty of people with really radical mindsets and plenty who have sociopath or psychopathic mindset (such as the Alt-Right and far-right) so plenty of Republicans who are moderate or right-wing will surely think those other guys are surely "fucked up".

[Telconi]

Well party policy is very rarely written by minorities.

Party policy is only ever written by minorities.

Huh, seems pretty unlikely to me.

[Ifreann]

Another thing worth mentioning is how many people on both sides are not going to even want to fight in a hypothetical Second American Civil War. Surely there will be plenty of people on both sides of the political spectrum who wouldn't want to fight or even kill another person either. During the First American Civil War there were plenty of pacifists in both the South and the North who refused to fight or kill another man in a battlefield.

That being said I wonder how many large amount of people on both sides would not even want to fight.

The internet tells me that all conservatives are brave heroes who will gladly give their lives for King Trump and country, whereas liberals are limp-wristed sissy boys who will cower behind their obscure vegetables and complicated coffees.

[Olerand]

The odds are it's more likely a right vs. far right when someone at the ATF does a raid on a militia.

This is pretty much correct another thing is that in a hypothetical Second American Civil War scenario there will be plenty of people with really radical mindsets and plenty who have sociopath or psychopathic mindset (such as the Alt-Right and far-right) so plenty of Republicans who are moderate or right-wing will surely think those other guys are surely "fucked up".

... Mhm...

[Telconi]

Well party policy is very rarely written by minorities.

Thing is though what a lot of people don't seem to realize that in war especially a civil war a lot of people are going to be defending themselves with firearms as a means of protection for themselves and their families. This includes liberals as well. Even people who are anti-gun or are for strict gun-control if are put in a situation being a Second American Civil War, they will obviously use guns to defend themselves and stay alive.

So the idea or should I say "claim" that liberals would do nothing and not take up arms for defense is outright utter nonsense since in war people will do anything to stay alive and survive and if it includes using guns then they will do so. So as a result you would basically be seeing a lot of liberals using guns in a civil war scenario.

I think the idea being that while willing, they'll perhaps be less experienced or have weapons less available. How many gun control advocates can walk twenty feet and have access to dozens of firearms that they're already familiar with?

[Big Jim P]

An actual civil war is unlikely. The leftists might up their violence, eventually running into someone who will shoot them in self defense. That would be about the worst, a few skirmishes.

Come to think of it, a few skirmishes would be just about all even if the leftists ramped it up to a full on war.

This kinda attitude of "lol we would kick there ass" is self destructive.

Not everyone would be fighting. And where where there is fighting, you would be fleeing. War isn't a game.

You are glossing over the parts where civvies like you would be dieing, being raped, kept as slaves, and other horrible war crimes.

Civvies like me would be shooting.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

Thing is though what a lot of people don't seem to realize that in war especially a civil war a lot of people are going to be defending themselves with firearms as a means of protection for themselves and their families. This includes liberals as well. Even people who are anti-gun or are for strict gun-control if are put in a situation being a Second American Civil War, they will obviously use guns to defend themselves and stay alive.

So the idea or should I say "claim" that liberals would do nothing and not take up arms for defense is outright utter nonsense since in war people will do anything to stay alive and survive and if it includes using guns then they will do so. So as a result you would basically be seeing a lot of liberals using guns in a civil war scenario.

I think the idea being that while willing, they'll perhaps be less experienced or have weapons less available. How many gun control advocates can walk twenty feet and have access to dozens of firearms that they're already familiar with?

Surely not a lot will have a lot of access to dozens of firearms or let alone access to machine guns or assault rifles. Especially if you live in the rural part of the country.

[Internationalist Bastard]

This kinda attitude of "lol we would kick there ass" is self destructive.

Not everyone would be fighting. And where where there is fighting, you would be fleeing. War isn't a game.

You are glossing over the parts where civvies like you would be dieing, being raped, kept as slaves, and other horrible war crimes.

Which makes you a combatant
Civvies like me would be shooting.

[Benuty]

Another thing worth mentioning is how many people on both sides are not going to even want to fight in a hypothetical Second American Civil War. Surely there will be plenty of people on both sides of the political spectrum who wouldn't want to fight or even kill another person either. During the First American Civil War there were plenty of pacifists in both the South and the North who refused to fight or kill another man in a battlefield.

That being said I wonder how many large amount of people on both sides would not even want to fight.

The internet tells me that all conservatives are brave heroes who will gladly give their lives for King Trump and country, whereas liberals are limp-wristed sissy boys who will cower behind their obscure vegetables and complicated coffees.

To be blunt I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few cities were unfortunately obliterated by the historically favorite method of starvation...so rest in peace urbanites *(applies only to certain areas).

[Benuty]

Which makes you a combatant
Civvies like me would be shooting.

Not sure what the quote is trying to imply...since Jim is most likely going to be shooting something even if not for very long depending on whatever militia is in control of his area.

[Internationalist Bastard]

The internet tells me that all conservatives are brave heroes who will gladly give their lives for King Trump and country, whereas liberals are limp-wristed sissy boys who will cower behind their obscure vegetables and complicated coffees.

To be blunt I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few cities were unfortunately obliterated by the historically favorite method of starvation...so rest in peace urbanites *(applies only to certain areas).

Yeah between the refugees fleeing population centers and the fact that cities would be major targets would mean the urban population would drop significantly

[Internationalist Bastard]

Not sure what the quote is trying to imply...since Jim is most likely going to be shooting something even if not for very long depending on whatever militia is in control of his area.

Just saying don’t be surprised when they burn you house and kill everyone

[Telconi]

Which makes you a combatant
Civvies like me would be shooting.

I'm sure plenty of civilians would be shooting.

[Benuty]

I'm sure plenty of civilians would be shooting.

Quite a few will be, but surviving, on the other hand, will be another matter entirely.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I'm sure plenty of civilians would be shooting.

Poor bastards

[Benuty]

I'm sure plenty of civilians would be shooting.

Poor bastards

Depending on where the front lines are, and who is doing the fighting....maybe.

[Telconi]

I'm sure plenty of civilians would be shooting.

Quite a few will be, but surviving, on the other hand, will be another matter entirely.

I highly doubt their chances would be improved by not shooting.

[Telconi]

I'm sure plenty of civilians would be shooting.

Poor bastards

I would imagine "poor bastard" already applies if they're civilians in a war zone.

[Benuty]

Not sure what the quote is trying to imply...since Jim is most likely going to be shooting something even if not for very long depending on whatever militia is in control of his area.

Just saying don’t be surprised when they burn you house and kill everyone

Yeah, that is an inevitability, and on to your point about the cities...I kind of have to wonder where the hell will everyone go? I mean Canada and Mexico are obvious choices as are the Caribbean islands, but let's be real the mood is going to change pretty damn fast internationally.