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Postby Sovaal » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:28 pm

Olerand wrote:
Sovaal wrote:As an American who has lived and traveled across the country, I would not. If anything the divide among Americans is more rural/urban than it is by geeographical region.

Well, that division simply doesn't work. And you cannot deny that there are differences. A New England Republican is no Dixie Republican, no?

No, but more often than not they have more in common than they do with a New England Democrat or Dixie Democrat, and vice versa.

And frankly the nation shouldn’t be divided up all. Long live the Union!
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Postby Benuty » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:28 pm

I mean assuming a years-long civil war doesn't end with either a reactionary military dictatorship or an interim republic prone to severe trouble then things might be alright. If they result in the other two then most likely after a certain period the U.S will break apart into new nations regardless of what happens in D.C.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:29 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Shit is that real?

It’s from ww2

Welp I hope the Warsaw pack enjoyed its freedom.
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Postby Benuty » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:29 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Olerand wrote:Well, that division simply doesn't work. And you cannot deny that there are differences. A New England Republican is no Dixie Republican, no?

No, but more often than not they have more in common than they do with a New England Democrat or Dixie Democrat, and vice versa.

And frankly the nation shouldn’t be divided up all. Long live the Union!

It probably won't, but people will only put up with things for so long before realizing D.C is just too apathetic to maintain the Union in some form.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:31 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Yes, that's what we wanted you to think.
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Shit is that real?

I don't know, but there are several similar posters. Some may not be real.

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Postby Sovaal » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:32 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Shit is that real?

I don't know, but there are several similar posters. Some may not be real.

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"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:33 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Olerand wrote:Well, that division simply doesn't work. And you cannot deny that there are differences. A New England Republican is no Dixie Republican, no?

No, but more often than not they have more in common than they do with a New England Democrat or Dixie Democrat, and vice versa.

And frankly the nation shouldn’t be divided up all. Long live the Union!

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Postby Geneviev » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:33 pm

I would hope that America can avoid civil war. It's not a country that would make the same mistake twice.
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Postby Olerand » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:34 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Olerand wrote:Well, that division simply doesn't work. And you cannot deny that there are differences. A New England Republican is no Dixie Republican, no?

No, but more often than not they have more in common than they do with a New England Democrat or Dixie Democrat, and vice versa.

And frankly the nation shouldn’t be divided up all. Long live the Union!

Well yes, that is why they are still Republicans. But the divisions are significant enough that one can legitimately say that regions do make serious differences.

From a foreign perspective, I agree, I want America to continue to be able to project its military power abroad (though I would severely curb its cultural clout). From an American perspective, I genuinely think Americans, and their psychiatric wards, would be better off more coherently divided.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:34 pm

Benuty wrote:
Sovaal wrote:No, but more often than not they have more in common than they do with a New England Democrat or Dixie Democrat, and vice versa.

And frankly the nation shouldn’t be divided up all. Long live the Union!

It probably won't, but people will only put up with things for so long before realizing D.C is just too apathetic to maintain the Union in some form.

Washington is apathetic to anything that doesn’t push their agenda or line their pockets. However the Union survived through worse times than these. Get back to me when Kansas starts to bleed.
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Sovaal » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:35 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Sovaal wrote:No, but more often than not they have more in common than they do with a New England Democrat or Dixie Democrat, and vice versa.

And frankly the nation shouldn’t be divided up all. Long live the Union!

Bring back City-States

Only if I get to be Alexander.
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Sovaal » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:36 pm

Olerand wrote:
Sovaal wrote:No, but more often than not they have more in common than they do with a New England Democrat or Dixie Democrat, and vice versa.

And frankly the nation shouldn’t be divided up all. Long live the Union!

Well yes, that is why they are still Republicans. But the divisions are significant enough that one can legitimately say that regions do make serious differences.

From a foreign perspective, I agree, I want America to continue to be able to project its military power abroad (though I would severely curb its cultural clout). From an American perspective, I genuinely think Americans, and their psychiatric wards, would be better off more coherently divided.

And as an American I disagree.
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Benuty » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:36 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Benuty wrote:It probably won't, but people will only put up with things for so long before realizing D.C is just too apathetic to maintain the Union in some form.

Washington is apathetic to anything that doesn’t push their agenda or line their pockets. However the Union survived through worse times than these. Get back to me when Kansas starts to bleed.

If D.C cannot afford to keep the union together post civil war then all the millions who died will have died for nothing.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:37 pm

Geneviev wrote:I would hope that America can avoid civil war. It's not a country that would make the same mistake twice.

Eh, humans have a bad history in that regard. Still, I don’t think a civil war is in the near future.
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Geneviev » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:39 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Geneviev wrote:I would hope that America can avoid civil war. It's not a country that would make the same mistake twice.

Eh, humans have a bad history in that regard. Still, I don’t think a civil war is in the near future.

America isn't perfect, but they're not stupid. So even in the distant future, civil war seems unlikely.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:39 pm

Geneviev wrote:I would hope that America can avoid civil war. It's not a country that would make the same mistake twice.

Implying that the US also didn't screw up with both the moving of Native Americans and the internment of Japanese later.
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Postby Geneviev » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:41 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Geneviev wrote:I would hope that America can avoid civil war. It's not a country that would make the same mistake twice.

Implying that the US also didn't screw up with both the moving of Native Americans and the internment of Japanese later.

They didn't move the Native Americans again. And there haven't been internment camps since either.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:42 pm

Benuty wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Washington is apathetic to anything that doesn’t push their agenda or line their pockets. However the Union survived through worse times than these. Get back to me when Kansas starts to bleed.

If D.C cannot afford to keep the union together post civil war then all the millions who died will have died for nothing.

D.C seems to age done at least a decent enough job of that since the 1860’s.
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:02 pm

Benuty wrote:
Sovaal wrote:As an American who has lived and traveled across the country, I would not. If anything the divide among Americans is more rural/urban than it is by geographical region.

Maybe, but if the post-civil war interim government doesn't survive the critical thirty year period afterward it will most likely see mass secessionism happen anyway.

Not on my watch. I’ll install a military dictatorship and go Stalin on those traitors
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:04 pm

Olerand wrote:
Sovaal wrote:As an American who has lived and traveled across the country, I would not. If anything the divide among Americans is more rural/urban than it is by geeographical region.

Well, that division simply doesn't work. And you cannot deny that there are differences. A New England Republican is no Dixie Republican, no?

Actually republican in the rural areas of the northeast really aren’t that different from their southern counterparts
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:05 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Olerand wrote:Well, that division simply doesn't work. And you cannot deny that there are differences. A New England Republican is no Dixie Republican, no?

Actually republican in the rural areas of the northeast really aren’t that different from their southern counterparts

The thing is, Vermont is heavily Democrat with few cities of significant size for some unknown reason.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:05 pm

Olerand wrote:
Sovaal wrote:No, but more often than not they have more in common than they do with a New England Democrat or Dixie Democrat, and vice versa.

And frankly the nation shouldn’t be divided up all. Long live the Union!

Well yes, that is why they are still Republicans. But the divisions are significant enough that one can legitimately say that regions do make serious differences.

From a foreign perspective, I agree, I want America to continue to be able to project its military power abroad (though I would severely curb its cultural clout). From an American perspective, I genuinely think Americans, and their psychiatric wards, would be better off more coherently divided.

Fuck that
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Postby Khataiy » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:07 pm

Considering most liberals are anti-gun how would they expect to fight and win? I know ANTIFA members own guns but how about the part of the left that opposes owning guns? Would they buy guns simply for the sake of war then disown them, this is a genuine question.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:07 pm

Geneviev wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Implying that the US also didn't screw up with both the moving of Native Americans and the internment of Japanese later.

They didn't move the Native Americans again. And there haven't been internment camps since either.

Many tribes were moved more than once in the 1800s. Once they found gold in the Black Hills, they had to move the Sioux off their holy land after moving large numbers of Sioux to that land.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:07 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Actually republican in the rural areas of the northeast really aren’t that different from their southern counterparts

The thing is, Vermont is heavily Democrat with few cities of significant size for some unknown reason.

I mean look at fucking Maine and their governor. That guy could definitely pass for a Southern republican
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